Worldbreaker Hulk vs Martian Manhunter · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by Odekahn
Who says MM would try that? And who knows? We can't be for sure either way. Regardless, that's a GIANT "if".
I swear I bet you guys would favor Hulk over God, lol.

Okay is this about how J'onn would fight the Hulk, or how you wwould fight the Hulk in his place? You would both lose, but in character, J'onn would try to mind rape, and find himself in the middle of Harry's midnight nightmare on Broadway. If he get into the punch it out game, he gets slaughtered, if he goes intangible he may get the same treatment that the Vision took to the chin. If he decides to fly the Hulk to the sun he probably wouldn't get that far. What is wrong with J'onn losing to a superior physical specimen? When does being more versatile give way to being more powerful?

God? J'onn is a far cry from God.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by Odekahn
I swear I bet you guys would favor Hulk over God, lol.

i see what you did there. hulk IS god

BlackZero30x Jack

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but the cause is very important. Its how you would defeat them.
If I went up against Shadowcat, I'd outwait her until she ran out of air.
If I went up against Flash, I'd try to slow him down SOMEHOW (don't ask me how).
Against astral forms, if I was the Hulk, I'd try grabbing him [b]because I've done it before.
But the tactic of grabbing would be useless against Kitty, as shown in WWH. And unless the Hulk was fast enough, it would be useless against the Flash.
Now, what about MM? I'm not 100% sure how his intangibility works. Which is why I am asking how has his intangibility been beaten in the past. If it hasn't been beaten, then I will assume its like Kitty's or Flash or some other method. Can you prove that someone has bypassed his intangibility without setting him on fire, or magic, or some other method, but by pure brute strength (no weird ambiguity, I don't want to derail your thread with 10 pages of discussions lol)? [/B]

Well flash's intangibility works more because he vibrates each individual molecule so they separate far enough to allow other objects to pass through him. I believe MM's comes from him passing into another dimension.

as for the fight MM has a pretty big advantage.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

kinda like how the eye of agamotto grants astral projection

BlackZero30x Jack

Originally posted by psycho gundam
kinda like how the eye of agamotto grants astral projection

well I guess before I stated a "big advantage" I should have asked a hulk expert what kind of feats hulk has in defeating/defending and attacking the intangible types. Also how resistant would hulk be to Mind assaults, probes, or simply shutting off the anger in his brain?

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
well I guess before I stated a "big advantage" I should have asked a hulk expert what kind of feats hulk has in defeating/defending and attacking the intangible types. Also how resistant would hulk be to Mind assaults, probes, or simply shutting off the anger in his brain?

Xavier and Emma Frost combined their respective psi talents, and were pushed out. The Hulk crushed Dr. Strange's hands while he was in the astral plane. he Vision tried to phase into the Hulk and wound up getting hurt in the process. Zzaxxx is composed of pure energy, and the hand was able to grab him. The Hulk has so many deep seeded issues that playing around in his head would likely cause J'onn to lose himself and be overcome with grief.

cdtm Restricted

The Dr. Strange thing...

If there's a Strange expert on kmc maybe they produce a scan or two, but I remember seeing some scans of Strange casting spells with more than his hands messed up.. His body was basically crippled and mashed up..

The scans were being shown around the internet in response to WWH specifically, but no idea where to get them now. 🙁

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Stoic
Xavier and Emma Frost combined their respective psi talents, and were pushed out. The Hulk crushed Dr. Strange's hands while he was in the astral plane. he Vision tried to phase into the Hulk and wound up getting hurt in the process. Zzaxxx is composed of pure energy, and the hand was able to grab him. The Hulk has so many deep seeded issues that playing around in his head would likely cause J'onn to lose himself and be overcome with grief.

Let me help you out. Here we have Hulk holding energy. WWH.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh019.jpg

This is how he was able to stay in the air with Sentry and battle him.

Sr J-Bieb Dead

Originally posted by Stoic
Xavier and Emma Frost combined their respective psi talents, and were pushed out. The Hulk crushed Dr. Strange's hands while he was in the astral plane. he Vision tried to phase into the Hulk and wound up getting hurt in the process. Zzaxxx is composed of pure energy, and the hand was able to grab him. The Hulk has so many deep seeded issues that playing around in his head would likely cause J'onn to lose himself and be overcome with grief.

Someone humanely putting a dog out of it's misery with a 12 gauge shotgun would cause MM to become overwhelmed with grief

Normal MM would get rage raped by Hulk. But this thread is asking people to put aside many years of bad showings, so I'm not sure if this completely fake MM could be overwhelmed from his mind. Or grabbed, or even seen.

It makes for an interesting fight to say the least

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by cdtm
The Dr. Strange thing...
If there's a Strange expert on kmc maybe they produce a scan or two, but I remember seeing some scans of Strange casting spells with more than his hands messed up.. His body was basically crippled and mashed up..
The scans were being shown around the internet in response to WWH specifically, but no idea where to get them now. 🙁

I'm no expert on Dr. Strange, but I do recall that even classic Strange needed his hands to cast spells.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
well I guess before I stated a "big advantage" I should have asked a hulk expert what kind of feats hulk has in defeating/defending and attacking the intangible types. Also how resistant would hulk be to Mind assaults, probes, or simply shutting off the anger in his brain?

you tell me. bust out the retconned mm scans

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Someone humanely putting a dog out of it's misery with a 12 gauge shotgun would cause MM to become overwhelmed with grief
Normal MM would get rage raped by Hulk. But this thread is asking people to put aside many years of bad showings, so I'm not sure if this completely fake MM could be overwhelmed from his mind. Or grabbed, or even seen.
It makes for an interesting fight to say the least

Ahhhh! So this is one of those what would you do if you were this guy vs the Hulk threads?

BlackZero30x Jack

Originally posted by Stoic
Xavier and Emma Frost combined their respective psi talents, and were pushed out. The Hulk crushed Dr. Strange's hands while he was in the astral plane. he Vision tried to phase into the Hulk and wound up getting hurt in the process. Zzaxxx is composed of pure energy, and the hand was able to grab him. The Hulk has so many deep seeded issues that playing around in his head would likely cause J'onn to lose himself and be overcome with grief.

I really truly find this intriguing.

Whats the nature of hulks mind that makes it so hard to enter? How was it explained that he was able to "reach out and touch" strange? What exactly caused Vision to be damaged? What kind of deep seeded issues are we talking about? MM went into black adams mind in WW3. He felt and saw all of adams victims. It tormented him pretty bad but he came out of it after awhile, so im asking is it as bad or worse then that?

Sr J-Bieb Dead

Originally posted by Stoic
Ahhhh! So this is one of those what would you do if you were this guy vs the Hulk threads?

Exactly

BlackZero30x Jack

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you tell me. bust out the retconned mm scans

...im not sure how this pertains to my question.

unless of course your asking me to give you scans so you can then rebuttal with reasons why it would be infective on hulk? Though that wouldn't make sense because Iv already asked about the particulars I wanted to know about but if you would like me to round up some stuff I can try anyways.

I think your mistaking me for arguing while I'm instead of trying to learn more on this particular matter.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I really truly find this intriguing.
Whats the nature of hulks mind that makes it so hard to enter? How was it explained that he was able to "reach out and touch" strange? What exactly caused Vision to be damaged? What kind of deep seeded issues are we talking about? MM went into black adams mind in WW3. He felt and saw all of adams victims. It tormented him pretty bad but he came out of it after awhile, so im asking is it as bad or worse then that?

Multiple personalities, rage issues, G-Unit issues, Geek attack issues, losing multiple wives issues. His fractured personality syndrome is the biggest problem though. You know that guy from the bible named legion? Well I think Bruce may be able to give him some competition.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Exactly

I can see the Hulk now saying that he can't wait to beat him some J'onn @$$ every time they met. But back to what you were saying, it seems like every weakness that J'onn has is being covered up with his ability to perform things despite the risks involved in critical failures, and their effects on him. J'onn in character is simply too delicate to mess with the Hulk.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Someone humanely putting a dog out of it's misery with a 12 gauge shotgun would cause MM to become overwhelmed with grief
Normal MM would get rage raped by Hulk. But this thread is asking people to put aside many years of bad showings, so I'm not sure if this completely fake MM could be overwhelmed from his mind. Or grabbed, or even seen.
It makes for an interesting fight to say the least

Yeah, I think Fantasy J'onn could probably combine intangibility, super speed, super strength, shape shifting, telepathy, Martian Vision, and everything else all at once to beat WBH.

TheHulk Retired Debater

Originally posted by carver9
The thread say WBH...I just showed you WBH. Don't blame me for using this powerful version of the Hulk, blame the thread starter.
MM dies.

Me? 😠

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, I think Fantasy J'onn could probably combine intangibility, super speed, super strength, shape shifting, telepathy, Martian Vision, and everything else all at once to beat WBH.

Yeah, let's not pretend he's the silver surfer or something. mmm

SuperiorTech Senior Member

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I really truly find this intriguing.
Whats the nature of hulks mind that makes it so hard to enter? How was it explained that he was able to "reach out and touch" strange?

Strange entered Hulk minds via his astral form after he was distracted by the army attack from what I can tell he wanted talk to banner its kinda similar to what he did in the dark dimension when Betty and Hulk were fighting.Problem was he didn't realize Hulk and Banner were on the same page he dropped his guard and got his arms crushed.

In terms of Vision this is the only issue I can remember.