Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

Originally posted by Oliver North
The defense cites a case in their first motion for acquittal that has similar circumstances. Man leaves the scene, goes to his car with the specific intent to get a gun and shoot the person, shoots the person, and gets off on all charges, iirc. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't be without precedence.

Was that not a different set of circumstances, though? Meaning...the person he shot was not a resident of that house?

Using precedence can be difficult if they are not parallels.

Originally posted by Oliver North
would you accept that the racism of the courts is related to the racism that structures society in general?

No. I would accept that there is probably some racism that skews the numbers slightly but nothing anywhere close to the general population.

Originally posted by Oliver North
also, drug statistics are the exact opposite of what you have said. In the case of something like cocaine, whites use and sell it more, yet are many times less likely to be arrested and even less likely to be prosecuted. The documentary "how to make money selling drugs" has the raw numbers iirc, and is also a really good watch.

The one and only link to a discussion on the myths I posted shows a stupid high bias towards blacks with a drug policy. It doesn't deny that the drug policy itself was racist but only that the backers of that policy included a majority of black congressmen when it was passed (the crack/powder law). (The myth was that congress is white, old men, racists, passing laws that bring the "colored folk down".

Can we say that that policy or related policies are countered by the higher conviction rate of whites?

Edit - Do you have a title for that documentary? I'd be interested to watch it. I may have already seen it.

I think Zimmerman was more noticing of the hoodie than Trayvon's race. If Trayvon was wearing a suit and bow tie, this probably wouldn't have happened.

At the end of the day though, Trayvon threw the first punch, and even though Zimmerman incited the incident, it is Trayvon who began it by beating on Zimmerman rather than explaining his presence. If Trayvon had simply held up the bag of skittles and said, "I'm heading home with my skittles", rather than start throwing swings, no violence would have had to transpire.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It doesn't deny that the drug policy itself was racist but only that the backers of that policy included a majority of black congressmen when it was passed (the crack/powder law). (The myth was that congress is white, old men, racists, passing laws that bring the "colored folk down".

It's true...a majority of black congressmen voted for it. 15 to be exact. 6 against. So...28,5% of the black congressmen voted against it...on a vote that passed 91% to 4% otherwise. There were only 16 votes against it altogether actually. So 28,5% of the 4,8% black congressmen accounted for 37,5% of the vote against the bill.

Seems very different than what your biased site likes to portray it as (even if it didn't actually lie outright)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL30378.pdf

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/99-1986/h787

You can check for yourself, if you like...or, you know, Google.

Originally posted by Lestov16
At the end of the day though, Trayvon threw the first punch, and even though Zimmerman incited the incident, it is Trayvon who began it by beating on Zimmerman rather than explaining his presence.

What could Zimmerman have said to make Trayvon punch him? And if the gun was in back of him I doubt that is what spooked Trayvon.

Originally posted by Lestov16
What could Zimmerman have said to make Trayvon punch him? And if the gun was in back of him I doubt that is what spooked Trayvon.

I suspect that GZ was overstepping his boundaries as a neighborhood watchman and began to interrogate TM about who he was and what he was doing. Maybe GZ said something that pissed off TM and TM began to whip his ass.

Paranoia sparks outrageous action.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I think Zimmerman was more noticing of the hoodie than Trayvon's race. If Trayvon was wearing a suit and bow tie, this probably wouldn't have happened.

At the end of the day though, Trayvon threw the first punch, and even though Zimmerman incited the incident, it is Trayvon who began it by beating on Zimmerman rather than explaining his presence. If Trayvon had simply held up the bag of skittles and said, "I'm heading home with my skittles", rather than start throwing swings, no violence would have had to transpire.

That is not known and Trayvon would have had no reason to explain himself to Zimmerman.

We do know that Zimmerman was likely lying at least when he claimed Martin was "bashing my skull into the concrete", as the mild scratches on the back of his head do not relay that, unless Zimmerman has some incredibly tough and bruise resistant skin.

I for one don't buy that Martin just turned into a "I'm going to kill you" psychopath at the drop of a hat.

Originally posted by Robtard
I for one don't buy that Martin just turned into a "I'm going to kill you" psychopath at the drop of a hat.

Also, noticing his hoodie when it's raining? Yeah. It's raining, I have a hoodie, but I'm gonna keep the hood down. I love raindrops splashing on my face when I'm trying to see.

Originally posted by Robtard

Am I a bad person?

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's true...a majority of black congressmen voted for it. 15 to be exact. 6 against. So...28,5% of the black congressmen voted against it...on a vote that passed 91% to 4% otherwise. There were only 16 votes against it altogether actually. So 28,5% of the 4,8% black congressmen accounted for 37,5% of the vote against the bill.

Seems very different than what your biased site likes to portray it as (even if it didn't actually lie outright)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL30378.pdf

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/99-1986/h787

You can check for yourself, if you like...or, you know, Google.

So what you're saying is....the black congressmen supported that bill by over 71% and the myth that it was passed by a bunch of old white guys is a lie?

Cool. So that article was right. 🙂

I think your argument could be made stronger if you said, "And those black congressmen represent more of a 'white culture' than a black one so they are not really representing black culture in congress. That argument is weak: it is sitll a bunch of old white dudes, and their culture, voting for that obviously racist law."

If you said that, then we would agree.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also, noticing his hoodie when it's raining? Yeah. It's raining, I have a hoodie, but I'm gonna keep the hood down. I love raindrops splashing on my face when I'm trying to see.

I just went jogging through my neighborhood, yetserday, when it was pouring down rain. No hoodie. Just a t-shirt, shorts, socks, undies, and running shoes. I love raindrops splashing down on my face.

The black congressmen's vote were inconsequential...his argument is shit.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you have a title for that documentary?

how to make money selling drugs

Originally posted by Bardock42
The black congressmen's vote were inconsequential...his argument is shit.

False:

Originally posted by dadudemon
...the black congressmen supported that bill by over 71% and the myth that it was passed by a bunch of old white guys is a lie...

Originally posted by Oliver North
how to make money selling drugs

Cool. Will check it out. I have not watched that.

Originally posted by Robtard

I for one don't buy that Martin just turned into a "I'm going to kill you" psychopath at the drop of a hat.

But that's the most probable scenario. Zimmerman had a gun, not to mention he was a punk 1 out of 10 fighter, so I doubt he's the one who threw the first punch. And what could Zimmerman have told Trayvon to provoke a punch? If Trayvon was smoking herb earlier, that may have made him irrational.

I thought it was determined that any drugs he had in his system didn't affect his mental state.

I must have missed that. Even without the influence of bud, what could have possibly incited the physical confrontation? Somebody must be blamed for throwing the first punch, and it seems more probable that it was Trayvon than Zimmerman.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I must have missed that. Even without the influence of bud, what could have possibly incited the physical confrontation? [b]Somebody must be blamed for throwing the first punch, and it seems more probable that it was Trayvon than Zimmerman. [/B]

Like I said, because Zimmerman had a gun and could have just pulled it out if he sensed trouble. As far as Trayvon trying to defend himself, how does that make him any better than Zimmerman for panicking and unnecessarily resorting to violence rather than just explaining his presence and going on his merry way. You honestly mean to tell me that if Trayvon just held up the bag of skittles and told Zimmerman why he was there, Zimmerman still would have killed him? Doubtful.