Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

The jury has spoken. This is the great U.S.of A.

The police chief was fired after not doing what some people thought he should. Seems the jury agreed with him. No proof a crime was committed. Just because some people don't like the facts, they don't change. It was not illegal for Zimmerman to follow him. The neighborhood watch programs are encouraged by law enforcement. Who initiated the violence that night? No one knows. That is the lack of evidence a crime was committed. This was a court of law, not a matter of opinion.

In that case. OJ was definitely innocent of murder and no one should question it and the court proceedings.

Casey Anthony, nope, nothing weird about that case and the way the prosecutor fumbled. So can't question that, cos you know, the jury.

Originally posted by dadudemon
How does George Zimmerman's participation in the neighborhood meetings and neighborhood watch program, the random news interivews of people in that same neighborhood with familiarity from pretty much everyone indicate that perhaps George Zimmerman was not familiar with the people in his community (neighborhood)?

Please, I'm very curious: what kind of logic does it take to assume GZ was not familiar with pretty much eveyrone in his neighborhood when the above is true?

Hint: I am not as active as GZ was with his neighborhood and I can assure you, I know every last person by face and most by name.

It doesn't matter how many community events you go to. If you only see the same 10 people out of 100(Hopefully this number change will help you realize what I'm saying instead of focusing on 10000). Then you still aren't familiar with 90 percent of the people there. If you only interact with the same 10 people or perhaps only see the same ten people. You aren't familiar.

dadudemon how big would you say your community is? How many faces and names have you gotten to know? When you say this are talking about the people only on your street? What about the people a street over? Or the street around your corner? How many blocks? How many people walk through your neighborhood a day from other neighborhoods? Is there a high turnover rate?

Now can you answer these same question's for Zimmerman's community for me?

Cause I can honestly say I live in an apartment complex that is fairly large and I have a good memory for faces and I don't know half the people living here.

Different people have different lives, people move out and in all the time, and also get this a majority of the people in the community may just stick to themselves.

So Hint: Familiarity with a community is relative to the community you are in.

Originally posted by Newjak
I've already told you as much.

It doesn't matter how many community events you go to. If you only see the same 10 people out of 100(Hopefully this number change will help you realize what I'm saying instead of focusing on 10000). Then you still aren't familiar with 90 percent of the people there. If you only interact with the same 10 people or perhaps only see the same ten people. You aren't familiar.

dadudemon how big would you say your community is? How many faces and names have you gotten to know? When you say this are talking about the people only on your street? What about the people a street over? Or the street around your corner? How many blocks? How many people walk through your neighborhood a day from other neighborhoods? Is there a high turnover rate?

Now can you answer these same question's for Zimmerman's community for me?

Cause I can honestly say I live in an apartment complex that is fairly large and I have a good memory for faces and I don't know half the people living here.

Different people have different lives, people move out and in all the time, and also get this a majority of the people in the community may just stick to themselves.

So Hint: Familiarity with a community is relative to the community you are in.

4 streets in my neighborhood. Around 150-300 depending on if you include things like children. Old people live on some of those streets so they don't have kids but some of my neighbors have 4-6 children.

Zimmerman seemed to be known by everyone that news agencies interviewed. He also seemed to know everyone. Conclusion: there is no evidence I can observe that showed Zimmerman was not well-known in his community and your point is invalid or not applicable. Zimmerman not only was well-known, he knew just about everyone. Did you know that he knew who Martin's Father's Girlfriend was and where she lived (this is important because Martin was supposedly walking towards her house)? He just had no idea who Martin was in relation to that lady.

Let's get back to the point:

The correct and logical conclusion for an unfamiliar face in a neighborhood that had a series of break ins would be "that guy is suspicious" especially because the suspicious person possessed more than 1 significant trait that matched with the reports regarding the suspects.

Edit - Did you know that at least one person from that neighborhood stated that Zimmerman knew everyone and that Zimmerman was very helpful to anyone in the neighborhood (replacing locks, helping with yardwork, etc.). This guy seemed to be much more involved in the community than I realized. So, yeah, my stance has now become quite polar: Zimmerman was quite familiar with those people. Just not the intricate relationships such as Tracey Martin's Girlfriend's house being a very sparsely visited abode by Tracey's boy, Trayvon.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Like I said, because Zimmerman had a gun and could have just pulled it out if he sensed trouble.

Or, you know, perhaps he didn't want these assholes to get away with it again, sort of like he actually said.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Or, you know, perhaps he didn't want these assholes to get away with it again, sort of like he actually said.

😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
4 streets in my neighborhood. Around 150-300 depending on if you include things like children. Old people live on some of those streets so they don't have kids but some of my neighbors have 4-6 children.

Zimmerman seemed to be known by everyone that news agencies interviewed. He also seemed to know everyone. Conclusion: there is no evidence I can observe that showed Zimmerman was not well-known in his community and your point is invalid or not applicable. Zimmerman not only was well-known, he knew just about everyone. Did you know that he knew who Martin's Father's Girlfriend was and where she lived (this is important because Martin was supposedly walking towards her house)? He just had no idea who Martin was in relation to that lady.

Let's get back to the point:

The correct and logical conclusion for an unfamiliar face in a neighborhood that had a series of break ins would be "that guy is suspicious" especially because the suspicious person possessed more than 1 significant trait that matched with the reports regarding the suspects.

Edit - Did you know that at least one person from that neighborhood stated that Zimmerman knew everyone and that Zimmerman was very helpful to anyone in the neighborhood (replacing locks, helping with yardwork, etc.). This guy seemed to be much more involved in the community than I realized. So, yeah, my stance has not become quite polar: Zimmerman was quite familiar with people. Just not the intricate relationships such as Tracey Martin's Girlfriend's house being a very sparsely visited abode by Tracey's boy, Trayvon.

Hoodie and black are not significant traits. They are common place traits.

Originally posted by Newjak
I could say that doesn't prove he knew everyone or that everyone should know him but we'll get past it.

Hoodie and black are not significant traits. They are common place traits.

Hoodie, black, age demo, seemingly looking at houses, and not known all within an area with multiple break ins done by people fitting this description is indeed cause for suspicion. You're leaving things out. I'm not saying any of this would be "proof" but it's more than enough for "suspicion"

Originally posted by Newjak
I could say that doesn't prove he knew everyone or that everyone should know him but we'll get past it.

I see no evidence or proof that he was not at least familiar with a great majority of the people in the neighborhood. Denying evidence is not really useful. It just amounts to "nuh uh" with nothing of substance. .

Originally posted by Newjak
Hoodie and black are not significant traits. They are common place traits.

Unfortunately (I say unfortunate because the young man lost his life), it was definitely uncommon at that time and in that neighborhood.

Additionally, that was not the only significant trait that set off Zimmerman. I believe the skittishness of the young man was the thing that really piqued Zimmerman's interest.

Originally posted by juggerman
Hoodie, black, age demo, seemingly looking at houses, and not known all within an area with multiple break ins done by people fitting this description is indeed cause for suspicion. You're leaving things out. I'm not saying any of this would be "proof" but it's more than enough for "suspicion"

Well, yeah, those are pretty good traits that should cause anyone who wasn't an idiot reasons to be suspicious especially if you were on "neighborhood watch patrol" when there were a series of break-ins. Trayvon was not a frequenter of that neighborhood so he was an unfamiliar face.

Originally posted by juggerman
Hoodie, black, age demo, seemingly looking at houses, and not known all within an area with multiple break ins done by people fitting this description is indeed cause for suspicion. You're leaving things out. I'm not saying any of this would be "proof" but it's more than enough for "suspicion"

Yeah, perhaps the police should have investigated.

Oh wait, they couldn't, cause Zimmermann had already shot the innocent kid.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, perhaps the police should have investigated.

Oh wait, they couldn't, cause Zimmermann had already shot the innocent kid.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Zimmermann had already shot the innocent kid.

Originally posted by Bardock42
innocent kid.

Originally posted by Bardock42
kid

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, perhaps the police should have investigated.

Oh wait, they couldn't, cause Zimmermann had already shot the innocent kid.

Well yes but i'm simply pointing out why he was found suspicious in the first place not what happened afterwards

Just-turned-17-year-old thug, master criminal man? Better put down now than later?

Zimmerman nut-huggers are almost lol worthy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just-turned-17-year-old thug, master criminal man? Better put down now than later?

I just thought it would be fun to point out the "kid" remark in your post. It's what people do to create sympathy for Trayvon. You may not have done it on purpose. I call him "boy" and "young man" quite frequently so I'm just as guilty.

yes, heaven forbid people feel sympathy for the victim...

Originally posted by Oliver North
yes, heaven forbid people feel sympathy for the victim...

It's the difference between making arguments and using a logical fallacy known as "appeal to emotion", naw what I mean, bro?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I just thought it would be fun to point out the "kid" remark in your post. It's what people do to create sympathy for Trayvon. You may not have done it on purpose. I call him "boy" and "young man" quite frequently so I'm just as guilty.

right. that and the fact that he was a child under the law.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
right. that and the fact that he was a child under the law.

He was just a booooy! crybaby A mere boooy! crybaby

A 6'1" boy who kicked a 29 year old man's *ss, was 17 and almost eligible for the draft! crybabycrybabycrybaby

Chumpy's logic: when you turn 18, you magically gain tons of wisdom, knowledge, and insight.

Edit - Do you work in insurance policy making? You know, the person that sets the policy drops at 25 because 25 year olds magically get more safe as drivers they day of their 25th b-day?

There is no draft and he's a underage according to law, so calling him a "kid" isn't sympathy gathering, it's fact. Zimmerman killed a kid. /fact