Originally posted by Damborgson
Way to waste your time buddy. I'm not reading to through all that. Jesus Christ.
I am not Him.
Originally posted by Damborgson
A quick skim brings up more trying to push already debunked strategies and attempts at proving me wrong. Which aren't even new and were already countered and addressed anyway. such as the ABC logic you keep trying to force even if you know you're wrong. Getting kinda sad really...
This comes down to another "nuh uhhh" and a forced "I'm right". All of your points were destroyed. You did not counter anything. You brought nothing new, as well. And you parroted my "you're sad" point, as well.
Originally posted by Damborgson
That little bit at the end is interesting though. I'm glad someone finally gets to a counter to my situation.
So you did read it. Interesting. Guess you were just being dramatic? Figures. 🙂
Originally posted by Damborgson
Minato getting to throw a barrage of Kunai's would still be ineffective.
It was effective against an entire platoon of lightning ninjas: two of which were extremely fast ninjas with one of them literally being the second fastest ninja alive.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Itachi isn't know for his lack of mastery of Kunai's, and his genjutsu would still be cast as he threw the weapons.
And his Genjutsu would not work because he would not know where Minato is. If Itachi tries to counter the Kunai, he ends up dead. He should immediately throw up Susano'o to avoid the instant kill that Minato will deliver if Itachi deviates.
Originally posted by Damborgson
He was able to keep Sasuke in extended Genjutsu for a long period of time.
Which won't happen because it requires eye contact.
Originally posted by Damborgson
To a non sharingan user, it would be easier.
To a hokage, it is the most difficult thing to pull off. This is why no one has used a genjutsu against a hokage from what we have seen. From what we know, a Hokage has tremendous chakra control and vast amounts of knowledge of ninja arts. It would be stupid to assume even Tsunade would fall for a genjutsu or fail to dispell it, much less a true genius like Minato.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Minato teleports to the deflected Kunai and slices Itachi's throat.
Yes, this is what happens unless Itachi puts up Susano'o.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Only to see he's attacked a crow bunshin. He breaks the genjutsu and looks straight at the Mangekyo. Game over.Come at me bro
Did. You are having a delusional fantasy about Itachi, obviously.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I am not Him.This comes down to another "nuh uhhh" and a forced "I'm right". All of your points were destroyed. You did not counter anything. You brought nothing new, as well. And you parroted my "you're sad" point, as well.
So you did read it. Interesting. Guess you were just being dramatic? Figures. 🙂
It was effective against an entire platoon of lightning ninjas: two of which were extremely fast ninjas with one of them literally being the second fastest ninja alive.
And his Genjutsu would not work because he would not know where Minato is. If Itachi tries to counter the Kunai, he ends up dead. He should immediately throw up Susano'o to avoid the instant kill that Minato will deliver if Itachi deviates.
Which won't happen because it requires eye contact.
To a hokage, it is the most difficult thing to pull off. This is why no one has used a genjutsu against a hokage from what we have seen. From what we know, a Hokage has tremendous chakra control and vast amounts of knowledge of ninja arts. It would be stupid to assume even Tsunade would fall for a genjutsu or fail to dispell it, much less a true genius like Minato.
Yes, this is what happens unless Itachi puts up Susano'o.
Did. You are having a delusional fantasy about Itachi, obviously.
No way?
Yes "nuhUh" "parroting" I've heard it before and you're still wrong and proven wrong. 😉 Sorry but I don't remember every little detail about you enormous posts. :/ Pretending I'm parroting because I said that you're sad and you may have said it somewhere in your arguments is just that....sad.
I had already said I skimmed it? This isn't new information lol. The numbers caught my eye.
Yet all of them inferior to Itachi. (not in speed of course) Just like they are to Minato. And Itachi isn't slow by any means himself. His reaction time is incredible. (Able to pop susanoo faster than lightning and all that)
Why would he be dead by countering the Kunai? if they are deflected Itachi has time to react to his coming. Worst case scenerio is that Minato gets in too close and Itachi pops Susanoo. Knocking Minato back leaving him exposed to a glance from Amaterasu.
And after the basic genjutsu eye contact would most certainly happen.
Assuming this was some rank amateur Ninja then yeah you'd be right. But it isn't. It's Itachi. One of the most powerful genjutsu wielders in the series. Orochimaru isn't known for his genjutsu. Neither were the aspects of Pain. Thats probably why they didn't use genjutsu. They are more for the direct approach.
Go ahead and quote where I said he'd fail to dispel it. But against an elite foe at his level, its not hard to see him being momentarily caught. And when I say momentarily I mean momentarily. He'd figure it out quick and dispel it quicker, but thats all the time Itachi needs to end it. Which he would.
Not at all. I'm not to prideful to say Itachi without Mangekyo is disposed of very quickly by Minato. But the Mangekyo puts him above him. A perfect defense/offense if needed and the most powrful genjutsu on the planet to end it quciker. Not because Minato is weak, but because I see Itachi either destroying his mind or Minato slicing his throat more so than them busting out the exotic jutsu. But if it comes down to them giving it all, Itachi will take it also more than vice versa.It's all in my posts. Despite you disagreeing.
Feel free when you're ready to come at me bro
Originally posted by Damborgson
No way?
lol, u mad. So don't call me Jesus Christ. 😄
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes "nuhUh" "parroting" I've heard it before and you're still wrong and proven wrong. 😉 Sorry but I don't remember every little detail about you enormous posts. :/ Pretending I'm parroting because I said that you're sad and you may have said it somewhere in your arguments is just that....sad.
Your entire long drawn out and sad response amounts to more parroting of my comments and "nuh uhh" statements. Change your game up a bit.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I had already said I skimmed it? This isn't new information lol. The numbers caught my eye.
Cool story, bro. 🙂
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yet all of them inferior to Itachi. (not in speed of course) Just like they are to Minato. And Itachi isn't slow by any means himself. His reaction time is incredible. (Able to pop susanoo faster than lightning and all that)
I would not say that A is/was inferior to Itachi's peak human form. He had the perfect counters to the sharingan and no genjutsu worked on him via Sasuke (Sasuke didn't even try). Itachi's reaction time is certainly great, but it is not on level with A, B, Naruto in cloaked form, and Minato.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Why would he be dead by countering the Kunai? if they are deflected Itachi has time to react to his coming. Worst case scenerio is that Minato gets in too close and Itachi pops Susanoo. Knocking Minato back leaving him exposed to a glance from Amaterasu.
Because he would be focusing his effort on countering the kunai (it would take both hands and most of his concentration just to prevent himself from getting hit). Minato is a master at doing multiple things at the same time: only Kabuto can boast greater ability in that department.
Also, you're confusing Itachi for Sasuke: Itachi cannot envelop his Susnao'o with amaterasu. Itachi would also be wise not to use Susano'o around Minato because Minato has chakra sealing capabilities: that would neuter his Susano'o.
Originally posted by Damborgson
And after the basic genjutsu eye contact would most certainly happen.
No, at this point, Itachi would already be dead. It would not progress after the initial clash. The only hope Itachi has against Minato is immediately putting up Susano'o.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Assuming this was some rank amateur Ninja then yeah you'd be right. But it isn't. It's Itachi. One of the most powerful genjutsu wielders in the series. Orochimaru isn't known for his genjutsu. Neither were the aspects of Pain. Thats probably why they didn't use genjutsu. They are more for the direct approach.
Orochimaru is definitely know for his genjutsu. He is/was among the most proficient users of genjutsu in the entire verse. His genjutsu rank is a 5 in the stat book, as well.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Go ahead and quote where I said he'd fail to dispel it. But against an elite foe at his level, its not hard to see him being momentarily caught. And when I say momentarily I mean momentarily. He'd figure it out quick and dispel it quicker, but thats all the time Itachi needs to end it. Which he would.
Go ahead and quote where I said you said he'd fail to dispel it. Against two elite opponents, Minato stalemated. Against one elite opponent that is superior to Itachi in most ways and could not be touched, Minato won. Your logic is flawed by invoking "elite opponent". And like I have indicated, Minato would kill Itachi before he had time to react/move unless Itachi put up his Susano'o as his first move.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Not at all. I'm not to prideful to say Itachi without Mangekyo is disposed of very quickly by Minato.
The things that the MS give Itachi are not enough to stop Minato because of Minato's sealing abilities. Itachi lacks the ability to manip amaterasu like Sasuke: this puts Itachi at a disadvantage to Minato's ability to easily counter Itachi's precog on his sharingan just like Raikage did against Sasuke.
Originally posted by Damborgson
But the Mangekyo puts him above him.
I agree that the MS puts Itachi above Minato is offensive power. However, this is 1v1 and the ability to destroy the most land area in the shortest amount of time does not necessarily mean a victory in a 1v1. In this case, it would be to Itachi's detriment to try and pull out big techs.
Originally posted by Damborgson
A perfect defense/offense if needed and the most powrful genjutsu on the planet to end it quciker. Not because Minato is weak, but because I see Itachi either destroying his mind or Minato slicing his throat more so than them busting out the exotic jutsu. But if it comes down to them giving it all, Itachi will take it also more than vice versa.It's all in my posts. Despite you disagreeing.
No, the most powerful genjutsu can be argued. It could be the sound based genjutsu because you only have to hear it and you're ****ed. Whereas, you can just close your eyes for the others. The rest is more incorrect claims on your part.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Feel free when you're ready to come at me bro
I did.
You did not come at me, bro. You brought more trash with wild over-exaggerations of Itachi's abilities.
I am very tempted at this point to stop responding to you. You bring nothing of substance to the discussion and you are wanking all over Itachi.
Here, here's my version of what you're doing:
As soon as the fight starts, Itachi tries to use Tsukuyomi to end the fight instantly. However, because it takes a bit to use that version of the genjutsu, by the time it's activated, Minato has long disappeared from Itachi's sight and is being butt-humped by Minato. Minato cuts Itachi's head off before Itachi has time to turn around and see Minato.
Except, with me, my above scenario actually COULD happen. 😐
Here's another scenario for you. Itachi does the same thing he always does when the fight starts: monologues. Since Minato is not a monologuer, he goes straight for the kill and destroys a defenseless Itachi.
Here's another scenario for you: Itachi actually uses his head and pulls out Susuano'o right at the beginning of the match. When Minato ends up behind Itachi, because it is inevitable that Minato will end up there due to how much faster he is than Itachi and Itachi lacks the ability to track Minato, Minato will strike the bones of Susano'o as Itachi continues to build his Susano'o. As Susano'o nears completion, Itachi realizes that he cannot do anything with Susano'o. He then notices that a chakra seal was placed on Susano'o so Itachi dispels Susano'o and then dies as soon as it goes down.
Here's another scenario for you: Itachi starts the fight by backing up so Minato's typical 'behind the back one hit kill' tactic does not work. This thwarts Minato's initial strike and keeps Minato in Itachi's field of vision. Immediately, Minato throws a bunch of marked Kunai at Itachi and Itachi blocks some preventing any from hitting his person. Three kunai had explosive tags and Itachi notices and jumps away in the only safe direction possible while simultaneously activating Susano'o (because Itachi is smart enough to know that where ever he moves, Minato will be right there to kill him, instantly). As soon as Itachi jumps, sure enough, Minato brings in the killing move. That fails but in Minato's left hand is a rasengan and he sends Itachi flying, even in his Susano'o form. Minato disappears and Itachi is left holding up Susano'o because he cannot detect where Minato is. Itachi uses amaterasu to create a massive ring of fire around himself so Minato cannot sneak up on him and seal him or his chakra. Itachi holds Susano'o in place for 5 minutes and begins to tire. Eventually, Itachi collapses from exhaustion and Minato magically appears from above (via a thrown Kunai) to deliver the killing blow.
That last one was Itachi's best case scenario.
Originally posted by ichigo12
Other scenario is:
Imediately Minato throws like 6 kunais and makes a Rasengan, Itachi counters 3 and while he trys to get rid of them, Minato teleports to one and hit Itachi with Rasengan, and if that did not kill Itachi, Minato cuts his neck. All of that in 5 second (maybe 6 😎 ).
Well, honestly, it would probably take about 1 to 2 seconds for that entire thing to take place.
Originally posted by dadudemon
lol, u mad. So don't call me Jesus Christ. 😄Your entire long drawn out and sad response amounts to more parroting of my comments and "nuh uhh" statements. Change your game up a bit.
Cool story, bro. 🙂
I would not say that A is/was inferior to Itachi's peak human form. He had the perfect counters to the sharingan and no genjutsu worked on him via Sasuke (Sasuke didn't even try). Itachi's reaction time is certainly great, but it is not on level with A, B, Naruto in cloaked form, and Minato.
Because he would be focusing his effort on countering the kunai (it would take both hands and most of his concentration just to prevent himself from getting hit). Minato is a master at doing multiple things at the same time: only Kabuto can boast greater ability in that department.
Also, you're confusing Itachi for Sasuke: Itachi cannot envelop his Susnao'o with amaterasu. Itachi would also be wise not to use Susano'o around Minato because Minato has chakra sealing capabilities: that would neuter his Susano'o.
No, at this point, Itachi would already be dead. It would not progress after the initial clash. The only hope Itachi has against Minato is immediately putting up Susano'o.
Orochimaru is definitely know for his genjutsu. He is/was among the most proficient users of genjutsu in the entire verse. His genjutsu rank is a 5 in the stat book, as well.
Go ahead and quote where I said you said he'd fail to dispel it. Against two elite opponents, Minato stalemated. Against one elite opponent that is superior to Itachi in most ways and could not be touched, Minato won. Your logic is flawed by invoking "elite opponent". And like I have indicated, Minato would kill Itachi before he had time to react/move unless Itachi put up his Susano'o as his first move.
The things that the MS give Itachi are not enough to stop Minato because of Minato's sealing abilities. Itachi lacks the ability to manip amaterasu like Sasuke: this puts Itachi at a disadvantage to Minato's ability to easily counter Itachi's precog on his sharingan just like Raikage did against Sasuke.
I agree that the MS puts Itachi above Minato is offensive power. However, this is 1v1 and the ability to destroy the most land area in the shortest amount of time does not necessarily mean a victory in a 1v1. In this case, it would be to Itachi's detriment to try and pull out big techs.
No, the most powerful genjutsu can be argued. It could be the sound based genjutsu because you only have to hear it and you're ****ed. Whereas, you can just close your eyes for the others. The rest is more incorrect claims on your part.
I did.
You did not come at me, bro. You brought more trash with wild over-exaggerations of Itachi's abilities.
I am very tempted at this point to stop responding to you. You bring nothing of substance to the discussion and you are wanking all over Itachi.
Here, here's my version of what you're doing:
As soon as the fight starts, Itachi tries to use Tsukuyomi to end the fight instantly. However, because it takes a bit to use that version of the genjutsu, by the time it's activated, Minato has long disappeared from Itachi's sight and is being butt-humped by Minato. Minato cuts Itachi's head off before Itachi has time to turn around and see Minato.
Except, with me, my above scenario actually COULD happen. 😐
Here's another scenario for you. Itachi does the same thing he always does when the fight starts: monologues. Since Minato is not a monologuer, he goes straight for the kill and destroys a defenseless Itachi.
Here's another scenario for you: Itachi actually uses his head and pulls out Susuano'o right at the beginning of the match. When Minato ends up behind Itachi, because it is inevitable that Minato will end up there due to how much faster he is than Itachi and Itachi lacks the ability to track Minato, Minato will strike the bones of Susano'o as Itachi continues to build his Susano'o. As Susano'o nears completion, Itachi realizes that he cannot do anything with Susano'o. He then notices that a chakra seal was placed on Susano'o so Itachi dispels Susano'o and then dies as soon as it goes down.
Here's another scenario for you: Itachi starts the fight by backing up so Minato's typical 'behind the back one hit kill' tactic does not work. This thwarts Minato's initial strike and keeps Minato in Itachi's field of vision. Immediately, Minato throws a bunch of marked Kunai at Itachi and Itachi blocks some preventing any from hitting his person. Three kunai had explosive tags and Itachi notices and jumps away in the only safe direction possible while simultaneously activating Susano'o (because Itachi is smart enough to know that where ever he moves, Minato will be right there to kill him, instantly). As soon as Itachi jumps, sure enough, Minato brings in the killing move. That fails but in Minato's left hand is a rasengan and he sends Itachi flying, even in his Susano'o form. Minato disappears and Itachi is left holding up Susano'o because he cannot detect where Minato is. Itachi uses amaterasu to create a massive ring of fire around himself so Minato cannot sneak up on him and seal him or his chakra. Itachi holds Susano'o in place for 5 minutes and begins to tire. Eventually, Itachi collapses from exhaustion and Minato magically appears from above (via a thrown Kunai) to deliver the killing blow.
That last one was Itachi's best case scenario.
Oh my God. Again. All I read was a fail attempt at a "you mad" by you (lol) and I chose not to waste my time by reading more into this novel posted. So more wasted time by you unfortunately. :/ Anyways I don't have the will or energy to keep pushing a point I already made. But don't you worry brah, we'll have plenty more discussions in the future. 😉 For now though, I'm done here. Later.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh my God. Again. All I read was a fail attempt at a "you mad" by you (lol) and I chose not to waste my time by reading more into this novel posted. So more wasted time by you unfortunately. :/ Anyways I don't have the will or energy to keep pushing a point I already made. But don't you worry brah, we'll have plenty more discussions in the future. 😉 For now though, I'm done here. Later.
I accept your concession, good sir. It is big of you to concede and I will remember your humbleness in the future.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I accept your concession, good sir. It is big of you to concede and I will remember your humbleness in the future.
Thank you for the kind words, but this is no concession of mine. Because I still I believe in what I believe in. And unfortunately so do you.
We'll argue this sometime again. 😉
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thank you for the kind words, but this is no concession of mine. Because I still I believe in what I believe in. And unfortunately so do you.We'll argue this sometime again. 😉
Unfortunately, it is a concession.
Also, I have an admission to make:
I am a giant Minato fanboy. haermm2
Originally posted by dadudemon
Unfortunately, it is a concession.Also, I have an admission to make:
I am a giant Minato fanboy. haermm2
Its not a concession when I'm right 😂 Which in this case I am. I'm just not going to keep arguing for another 3 pages and I don't have the strength to keep looking through the mess of a novel of posts you keep putting up. So unfortunately it's not. I'm just choosing to not continue rubbing it in. 😛
Well you're honest with me so I'll be honest with you. I'm a giant Itachi fanboy. 😮 😄