Originally posted by Damborgson
Its not a concession when I'm right 😂 Which in this case I am. I'm just not going to keep arguing for another 3 pages and I don't have the strength to keep looking through the mess of a novel of posts you keep putting up. So unfortunately it's not. I'm just choosing to not continue rubbing it in. 😛
Hey, those novels are organized masterpieces. 😠
Originally posted by Damborgson
Well you're honest with me so I'll be honest with you. I'm a giant Itachi fanboy. 😮 😄
That's obvious. 😄
But there's nothing wrong with either of us doing that: Kishimoto has created work for us to enjoy and we do that. We just happen to enjoy different characters.
Itach wouldn't win. Susan'o can't last forever. I never seen it used for a long amount of time and I'm assuming because to sustain it must take tons of chakra. not to mention the amount of chakra Itachi would be using to use Amaterasu and other sharingan attacks. Minato could simply out last him or teleport his own jutsus back at him further increasing the chakra Itachi would have to use for that defense. The problem with Minato is it only takes a moment for him to attack you. Any opening and you're pretty much done.
Originally posted by ichigo12
No, why Itachi would win, I want an argument 🙂
There really isn't one. Outside of the off chance Minato stands still, looks directly into Itachi's eyes, and allows himself to be put under a Genjutsu. Not even the resurrected Itachi stands a chance due to Minato's sealing abilites.
Itachi isn't outclassed, and could hold his own against Minato. Izanami's lolhax means he wins.
I understand your inability to see anyone beating Minato for the majority (see end statement), but let us be serious for a while.
Current Naruto, Current Tobi, and Edo HashiraMadara would all shitstomp Minato with their eyes closed. Any of these three mentioned could take on both Itachi and Minato at the same time, and still stomp the shit out of them.
Hashirama would win a majority.
Trollkage (referring to 2nd Mizukage, in case you are unfamiliar with that term) would win a majority.
Muu would arguably win a slight majority, arguably.
Prime Hiruzen Sarutobi, if the hype surrounding him is to be believed, would win a majority.
The fact that Kushina has Minato behaving like a subservient pussy around her means she'd win a majority. vin
Mito's a superior version of Kushina with access to KCM mode; she'd win a majority.
Current Kabuto, as Minato lacks the means to damage him, would win a majority.
An old and dying Sage of the Six Paths would send Minato to the Moon, while a Prime Sage of the Six Paths would use Minato's chakra to create a spoon for his meal, and would then proceed to send him to the Moon. He would win a majority.
Oh, before I forget; Wild Boar would skewer Minato, and Random Love Letter gai would turn him into a trash-can. They would win a majority. vin
Keep on wanking.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Itachi isn't outclassed, and could hold his own against Minato. Izanami's lolhax means he wins.I understand your inability to see anyone beating Minato for the majority (see end statement), but let us be serious for a while.
Current Naruto, Current Tobi, and Edo HashiraMadara would all shitstomp Minato with their eyes closed. Any of these three mentioned could take on both Itachi and Minato at the same time, and still stomp the shit out of them.
Hashirama would win a majority.
Trollkage (referring to 2nd Mizukage, in case you are unfamiliar with that term) would win a majority.
Muu would arguably win a slight majority, arguably.
Prime Hiruzen Sarutobi, if the hype surrounding him is to be believed, would win a majority.
The fact that Kushina has Minato behaving like a subservient pussy around her means she'd win a majority. vin
Mito's a superior version of Kushina with access to KCM mode; she'd win a majority.
Current Kabuto, as Minato lacks the means to damage him, would win a majority.
An old and dying Sage of the Six Paths would send Minato to the Moon, while a Prime Sage of the Six Paths would use Minato's chakra to create a spoon for his meal, and would then proceed to send him to the Moon. He would win a majority.Oh, before I forget; Wild Boar would skewer Minato, and Random Love Letter gai would turn him into a trash-can. They would win a majority. vin
Keep on wanking.
Wow, way to just sling insults and bring little reasoning to most of the people you mentioned, except, suprise, more insults.
Itachi is too slow to hang with Minato. His genjutsus are not instant, Minato's attacks pretty much are.
No, current Naruto (and he is my favorite character), Madara, or Tobi would not shittomp Minato. Would they win the Majority, maybe, but shitstomp, come on now. Hate much?
Hashirama would win the majority. baseless statement without any evidence since you know, he has no showings, outside of getting sealed by Hiruzen.
I'll have to read up on the trollkage. i'll get back to you.
Muu will win slight majority. Again, no evidence provided
I agree that Hiruzen is BA, however, he has shown nothing that can handle instantaneous kunai to the back of the head.
I don't know if you're married, but you can be physically stronger in everyway to your wife and still be put in check. I like to think I'm in charge of my relationship, but any honest man can tell you that it is either equal or the wife usually runs the house. I assume you put this in here to be a smart ass
I'm sure Kabuto can be killed by a giant rasengan that destroys the whole body. Kabuto is not wolverine yet.
Sage of the six paths. Sure he wins, but why add him. He is basically a god in that universe so really not worth mentioning.
Gai, in no way, at all, beats Minato. Ever
The problem with Minato is the speed at which he can end a fight. The guy can kill almost anyone, barring Tobi due to his space/time jutsu, instantly. i honestly think Minato can seal away chakra like Susan'o due to the fact that he teleported a tailed beast ball which is just highly condensed charkra and the nine tails himself (aren't the beasts just massive amounts of chakra themselves) He can seal away chakra summons in mid air, on the ground, hell even on a person or piece of clothing. And this is just from what we know of him. Who knows what actual ninjutsus or nature elements he is able to use. He also has the summons to aid him.
I want to get into this debate as well....oh and prior to my responce I'd like to mention that I think Minato and Itachi tie respectively.
Minato's speed is pretty hax but it's cancelled out by his very linear move pool....Rasengans and kunai only do so much. Besides didn't Itachi pull out his complete Susanoo, or at least the Yata Mirror, to block natural lightning? That should at least give Itachi some decent reaction time to Minato's attacks. Plus Minato isn't above making eye contact with a Sharingan user, as seen with Tobi.
Then again Itachi really doesn't have anyway to tag Minato directly and I doubt Minato would get hit by the "WTF Sword": this is my new name for the Tosuka Blade.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I want to get into this debate as well....oh and prior to my responce I'd like to mention that I think Minato and Itachi tie respectively.Minato's speed is pretty hax but it's cancelled out by his very linear move pool....Rasengans and kunai only do so much. Besides didn't Itachi pull out his complete Susanoo, or at least the Yata Mirror, to block natural lightning? That should at least give Itachi some decent reaction time to Minato's attacks. Plus Minato isn't above making eye contact with a Sharingan user, as seen with Tobi.
Then again Itachi really doesn't have anyway to tag Minato directly and I doubt Minato would get hit by the "WTF Sword": this is my new name for the Tosuka Blade.
I agree which is why he has summons, sealing techniques to cancel out susan'o, and then a rasengans and kunais do the rest. I honestly think he knows some pretty good ninjutsu, he just prefers techs that don't need hand signals. But since has never used any, We can only go off of rasengans.
Originally posted by socool8520
Wow, way to just sling insults and bring little reasoning to most of the people you mentioned, except, suprise, more insults.Itachi is too slow to hang with Minato. His genjutsus are not instant, Minato's attacks pretty much are.
No, current Naruto (and he is my favorite character), Madara, or Tobi would not shittomp Minato. Would they win the Majority, maybe, but shitstomp, come on now. Hate much?
Hashirama would win the majority. baseless statement without any evidence since you know, he has no showings, outside of getting sealed by Hiruzen.
I'll have to read up on the trollkage. i'll get back to you.
Muu will win slight majority. Again, no evidence provided
I agree that Hiruzen is BA, however, he has shown nothing that can handle instantaneous kunai to the back of the head.
I don't know if you're married, but you can be physically stronger in everyway to your wife and still be put in check. I like to think I'm in charge of my relationship, but any honest man can tell you that it is either equal or the wife usually runs the house. I assume you put this in here to be a smart ass
I'm sure Kabuto can be killed by a giant rasengan that destroys the whole body. Kabuto is not wolverine yet.
Sage of the six paths. Sure he wins, but why add him. He is basically a god in that universe so really not worth mentioning.
Gai, in no way, at all, beats Minato. Ever
In order to fight Fire, you often need, surprise, Fire. I also slung one insult at you, not multiple insults, and I wasn't insulting your intelligence, but your bias.
Nope, Minato's attacks are far from instantaneous, as are Itachi's. His FTG Level 2 + Rasengan attack/Kunai stab is his fastest attack, and that is nowhere near instantaneous, though it is beyond Itachi's reaction speed. Then again, Itachi has Crow Clones available, so Itachi can still avoid the attacks. If Susano'o is up and Minato has not placed a FTG seal on Itachi, Minato cannot do a thing to Itachi, whereas Itachi can build up Izanami and end Minato's hopes of winning the fight. Also, FTG's 'speed' in of itself > Susano'o's materialization speed > Cloud to Ground Lightning's speed >>>>> Minato's reflexes and regular speed. Want you to know this.
Yes, any of the three would shitstomp Minato, as they are far out of his league. Naruto being your favourite character has no bearing on this. My favourite character is typically Sasuke, and he'd get shitstomped by current Naruto, who is every bit as fast as Minato, and ridiculously stronger.
No, I do not hate Minato; quite the opposite in fact.
I hate Minato somehow being taken to be an unbeatable combatant in a fight, when he isn't one.
Except every single Wood-related showing that Edo Madara has, is Hashirama's. Minato cannot cause any lasting damage to him thanks to Hashirama's regeneration, which is far beyond Tsunade's usual regeneration. Hashirama also has a genjutsu (Bringer of Darkness) that Minato can do nothing against, and it would severely hamper Minato.
Fair enough. Muu simply turns invisible & becomes undetectable to Minato, flies into the atmosphere, and spams what is believed to be the most broken thing in the manga, Dust Release.
Hype-wise, at his Prime he is > any Hokage. So he is > Minato by hype. Feats wise, he gets smoked by Minato.
Yeah, I just put that in to be a smartass.
Your proof that Minato can make Giant Rasengans, and that Giant Rasengans can take out a being who can liquidize his own body? A Part 1 Kabuto was capable of regenerating a portion of the damage caused by a regular Rasengan, The only reason he was KO'd was due to his chakra supply running out. Sage Mode Kabuto has a never-ending supply of chakra i.e. his chakra supply will not run out.
In addition to his own regeneration which will be boosted tremendously as he's in Sage Mode, he has Orochimaru's regeneration, amped levels of Karin's regeneration (which is impressive at its regular levels), his liquid form and an amped level of durability. Minato has absolutely no way of causing any lasting damage to Kabuto. Seals are his only option for winning this fight, but the only seals Minato can use are the Dead Demon seal, the Eight Trigrams method, the Summoning Contract removal seal, and his own FTG seal. Only the first will help directly, but Minato would lose his life as well. If you want to bring up Summons for whatever reason, regular Manda is demonstrated to be superior to Gamabunta. Manda 2, who makes Bijuu look like insects in size comparison, would swallow Gamabunta much like one swallows a pill.
Not Gai. Random Love Letter Guy. Just ask AuraAngel or NemeBro. vin
But Sharingan Gai would beat Minato. After all, you thought Sharingan Gai would be the strongest dude in the manga 313
Originally posted by socool8520
I agree which is why he has summons, sealing techniques to cancel out susan'o, and then a rasengans and kunais do the rest. I honestly think he knows some pretty good ninjutsu, he just prefers techs that don't need hand signals. But since has never used any, We can only go off of rasengans.
Minato still has to worry about making eye contact with Itachi. Also the only genuine ninjutsu he can use in a fight, sealing tech don't really fall under the ninjutsu catergory, is the Rasengan. Itachi also has to worry about being tagged but I'm pretty sure he could put out Susanoo prior to a Kunai reaching him.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Minato still has to worry about making eye contact with Itachi. Also the only genuine ninjutsu he can use in a fight, sealing tech don't really fall under the ninjutsu catergory, is the Rasengan. Itachi also has to worry about being tagged but I'm pretty sure he could put out Susanoo prior to a Kunai reaching him.
I have to agree with you on the rasengan, because even though i believe he knows quite a bit of ninjutsu (i mean seriously, he invented new ones), he has only shown the rasengan and sealing techniques. I think Minato could seal away susan'o. And if he tries to use Izanami, I guess he stops using susan'o since that is what happened in the Kabuto fight. In that case Izanami would be a horrible idea. also as far as I know, Genjutsu is not instantaneous. It usually takes a few seconds prep time or longer depending on the strength of the genjutsu. I mean if it was instantaneous, than sharingan would always win, no contest.
Originally posted by socool8520
I have to agree with you on the rasengan, because even though i believe he knows quite a bit of ninjutsu (i mean seriously, he invented new ones), he has only shown the rasengan and sealing techniques. I think Minato could seal away susan'o. And if he tries to use Izanami, I guess he stops using susan'o since that is what happened in the Kabuto fight. In that case Izanami would be a horrible idea. also as far as I know, Genjutsu is not instantaneous. It usually takes a few seconds prep time or longer depending on the strength of the genjutsu. I mean if it was instantaneous, than sharingan would always win, no contest.
Minato prolly knows basic stuff like Shadow clones and shit, which he still has not demonstrated, but his only offensive ninjutsu is Rasengan.
Minato has not demonstrated the ability to seal away abilities. He's demonstrated the ability to sever one's control over/contract with a Summoning.
Building up Izanami (recording) doesn't stop one from using Susano'o. It's only after the user lands it on the opponent and thus loses an eye, that Susano'o cannot be used.
Genjutsu isn't instantaneous, but it doesn't take seconds either. Seems to be nearly instantaneous once you get eye-contact.