how am I trolling? if this is a spite thread, close it. so far, nobody has said anything other than "LT can't beat presence" without elaborating.
you honestly say presence is omnipotent and all powerful, and he did not create everything. so he is not the creator of all. he didn't make LT, so he can't destroy him. he might outpower the other abstracts listed, sure. not LT.
if anything, this is spite in favor of LT.
Originally posted by JynocidusJust because he didn't create LT doesn't mean he can't smash him with a thought. The power level difference between the Presence and the Lt is obvious to everybody but you we aren't at fault because you like the comprehension to get hip now stop trolling or i will report you
how am I trolling? if this is a spite thread, close it. so far, nobody has said anything other than "LT can't beat presence" without elaborating.you honestly say presence is omnipotent and all powerful, and he did not create everything. so he is not the creator of all. he didn't make LT, so he can't destroy him. he might outpower the other abstracts listed, sure. not LT.
if anything, this is spite in favor of LT.
LT represents equity, so his power is either equal to or beyond presence or anybody on team 1. And i'm under the impression that Presence is weaker than LT without utilizing that aspect of his being.
The power level is not obvious. Why don't you report the creator of the thread then? i can't stand snitches
Originally posted by JynocidusSeriously i don't care what you hate. The Aspects are all equal to or greater than the Lt he can't solo based solely on his role in the Marvel universe hell even there he had limits this made up fantasy version of LT is not flying so once again stop trolling or get reported
LT represents equity, so his power is either equal to or beyond presence or anybody on team 1. And i'm under the impression that Presence is weaker than LT without utilizing that aspect of his being.The power level is not obvious. Why don't you report the creator of the thread then? i can't stand snitches
Originally posted by iceman24567
Seriously i don't care what you hate. The Aspects are all equal to or greater than the Lt he can't solo based solely on his role in the Marvel universe hell even there he had limits this made up fantasy version of LT is not flying so once again stop trolling or get reported
well, Presence doesn't solo just because of his role based solely in the DC universe.
it's not my fault DC lacks a hierarchy of true power just to tell its stories. you act like threatening to report is going to stop me from posting, when in actuality i'm doing nothing wrong but going where you obviously can't. comparing the two powers, i see past what crybabies who threaten to report are force-fed and give in to. Nobody on team 1 can do anything to LT to permanently get rid of him
please use other tactics than threatening to report, it's childish. just do it and see what happens, i really don't care.
Originally posted by JynocidusExcept the Presence actually has battle feats not just the feat of him creating everything in the multiverse. Dc doesn't lack a true hierarchy the light/hand, Sprectre, word are part of the Presence why you don't understand this is beyond belief. Who needs to permanently get rid of the LT? He can be incapacitated for the win devolved into base level life form for the win he isn't invincible by anybodys standards. Team one stomps hard the LT can't win on his own like when the HOTU beat that ass
well, Presence doesn't solo just because of his role based solely in the DC universe.it's not my fault DC lacks a hierarchy of true power just to tell its stories. you act like threatening to report is going to stop me from posting, when in actuality i'm doing nothing wrong but going where you obviously can't. comparing the two powers, i see past what crybabies who threaten to report are force-fed and give in to. Nobody on team 1 can do anything to LT to permanently get rid of him
please use other tactics than threatening to report, it's childish. just do it and see what happens, i really don't care.
No No, First LT cannot do is undo or even create CREATION, 2nd LT cannot even affect things beyond his jurisdiction like Starbrand incident then as to feats,like I said, Living Tribunal is ACTT (Adopted Conjoined Triplet Twins) with no origin. Their powers can affect reality if only the 3 heads are in agreement. Plus Have you read Lucifer # 74, it describes Lucifer having gained the ability to do Big Bangs, on a scale that Michael was not even capable. LT is no where in position to that.
But if you want to bring up one person that can end this Omnipotent battle. I would pick Ellaine. She takes up God's and Lucifer`s jobs in their creation`s and it becomes her name that holds creation together, her name that is spelled on every atom of reality and she becomes omniscient. No force can touch her, IMO.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
LT represents equity, so his power is either equal to or beyond presence or anybody on team 1. And i'm under the impression that Presence is weaker than LT without utilizing that aspect of his being.The power level is not obvious. Why don't you report the creator of the thread then? i can't stand snitches
Originally posted by iceman24567
Except the Presence actually has battle feats not just the feat of him creating everything in the multiverse. Dc doesn't lack a true hierarchy the light/hand, Sprectre, word are part of the Presence why you don't understand this is beyond belief. Who needs to permanently get rid of the LT? He can be incapacitated for the win devolved into base level life form for the win he isn't invincible by anybodys standards. Team one stomps hard the LT can't win on his own like when the HOTU beat that ass
presence cannot devolve all life in the omniverse, only in DC continuity. So when someone like LT comes who is a beast, who can judge entire continuities, what can the presence to to fend against that?
I'd say DC lacks a true hierarchy, because of this very situation. whatever anyone on team 1 represents does not outweigh necessity, yet i'm the only one who sees this. it's not semantics, this should be...common sense. good and evil are necessary in the world, in order to create there are necessities. LT is that, and some, and smashes team 1 handily.
Originally posted by lilshogun
No No, First LT cannot do is undo or even create CREATION, 2nd LT cannot even affect things beyond his jurisdiction like Starbrand incident then as to feats,like I said, Living Tribunal is ACTT (Adopted Conjoined Triplet Twins) with no origin. Their powers can affect reality if only the 3 heads are in agreement. Plus Have you readLucifer # 74, it describes Lucifer having gained the ability to do Big Bangs, on a scale that Michael was not even capable. DC has some big big heavy hitters.
the 3 heads will agree that team 1 needs to be stopped in order to seal the victory, and the judgement will win it.
@Jynocidus
I've been through this discussion with Team DC when it comes to the supposed omnipotent status of the Presence.
IMHO the LT by himself could take out the entire "Aspects of the Presence" team.
There is conflicting info as to whether Vertigo's "God" and DC's "God" are the same being.
a) If they are, there's some embarrassing situations involving him in Vertigo. Swamp Thing with the Elemental Congress 'amp' almost overthrew him. GEB isn't a part of his creation and is just as powerful as he is (how can you have two true omnipotents?).
b) If they aren't, this opens up a whole other can of worms. In Marvel the LT exists across ALL MULTIVERSES in the OMNIVERSE and is the last line of defense short of invoking TOAA directly. Compare this with the Presence who is only supreme in it's own multiverse (not really because he can be challenged) and Vertigo's God who likewise is supreme only in his own creation (and again not really because he has at least one peer, GEB, and was almost usurped by ST with Elemental Congress amp).
The LT OMNIVERSAL, the FULL Presence would be merely multiversal.
So it's not crazy to say the LT could solo.