The Aspects of Presence Vs Marvel's Cosmics

Originally posted by zopzop
@Jynocidus

I've been through this discussion with Team DC when it comes to the supposed omnipotent status of the Presence.

IMHO the LT by himself could take out the entire "Aspects of the Presence" team.

There is conflicting info as to whether Vertigo's "God" and DC's "God" are the same being.

a) If they are, there's some embarrassing situations involving him in Vertigo. Swamp Thing with the Elemental Congress 'amp' almost overthrew him. GEB isn't a part of his creation and is just as powerful as he is (how can you have two true omnipotents?).

b) If they aren't, this opens up a whole other can of worms. In Marvel the LT exists across ALL MULTIVERSES in the OMNIVERSE and is the last line of defense short of invoking TOAA directly. Compare this with the Presence who is only supreme in it's own multiverse (not really because he can be challenged) and Vertigo's God who likewise is supreme only in his own creation (and again not really because he has at least one peer, GEB, and was almost usurped by ST with Elemental Congress amp).

The LT OMNIVERSAL, the FULL Presence would be merely multiversal.

So it's not crazy to say the LT could solo.

Thank you! I knew I wasn't alone....as long as I'm not the only one with the vision

Originally posted by Jynocidus
presence cannot devolve all life in the omniverse, only in DC continuity. So when someone like LT comes who is a beast, who can judge entire continuities, what can the presence to to fend against that?

I'd say DC lacks a true hierarchy, because of this very situation. whatever anyone on team 1 represents does not outweigh necessity, yet i'm the only one who sees this. it's not semantics, this should be...common sense. good and evil are necessary in the world, in order to create there are necessities. LT is that, and some, and smashes team 1 handily.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Thank you! I knew I wasn't alone....as long as I'm not the only one with the vision

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes the guy that gets shunned on because he places Marvel hierarchy whereever the hell he wants 👆

gonna report both of us for having an opinion?

Originally posted by zopzop
@Jynocidus

I've been through this discussion with Team DC when it comes to the supposed omnipotent status of the Presence.

IMHO the LT by himself could take out the entire "Aspects of the Presence" team.

There is conflicting info as to whether Vertigo's "God" and DC's "God" are the same being.

a) If they are, there's some embarrassing situations involving him in Vertigo. Swamp Thing with the Elemental Congress 'amp' almost overthrew him. GEB isn't a part of his creation and is just as powerful as he is (how can you have two true omnipotents?).

b) If they aren't, this opens up a whole other can of worms. In Marvel the LT exists across ALL MULTIVERSES in the OMNIVERSE and is the last line of defense short of invoking TOAA directly. Compare this with the Presence who is only supreme in it's own multiverse (not really because he can be challenged) and Vertigo's God who likewise is supreme only in his own creation (and again not really because he has at least one peer, GEB, and was almost usurped by ST with Elemental Congress amp).

The LT OMNIVERSAL, the FULL Presence would be merely multiversal.

So it's not crazy to say the LT could solo.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
gonna report both of us for having an opinion?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah just you for excessive trolling

i'm not trolling. i'm just making sure that the misinformed are aware that LT stomps.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
i'm not trolling. i'm just making sure that the misinformed are aware that LT stomps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

See that? He exists in every MULTIVERSE simultaneously. The Presence in point b of my post would merely be multiversal as opposed to the LT who is omniversal. He's literally omnipresent across all of Marvel.

If you argue for point a in my post then that still doesn't save the Presence/Vertigo God from questions about his omnipotence.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
i'm not trolling. i'm just making sure that the misinformed are aware that LT stomps.

Just agree to disagree and ignore it Jynocidus. When it gets to this (where they are reporting you for an opinion) there's no point continuing the discussion.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This is a troll post ..troll

okay....so I was better off just letting you and others who are misinformed just label this topic as spite in favor of an inferior omnipotent?

riight.....

and btw, thanks zopzop. i'm not as message board savvy as the vets, so posting links to pics like that are very appreciated. all I could was stress that people need to respect the LT, or in other words visit that thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend facepalm

exactly what i was thinking.

Originally posted by zopzop
Just agree to disagree and ignore it Jynocidus. When it gets to this (where they are reporting you for an opinion) there's no point continuing the discussion.

no doubt.

Originally posted by zopzop

See that? He exists in every MULTIVERSE simultaneously. The Presence in point b of my post would merely be multiversal as opposed to the LT who is omniversal. He's literally omnipresent across all of Marvel.

If you argue for point a in my post then that still doesn't save the Presence/Vertigo God from questions about his omnipotence.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
okay....so I was better off just letting you and others who are misinformed just label this topic as spite in favor of an inferior omnipotent?

riight.....

and btw, thanks zopzop. i'm not as message board savvy as the vets, so posting links to pics like that are very appreciated. all I could was stress that people need to respect the LT, or in other words visit that thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your point with being omnipresence? Is LT omnipotent?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Of course he is too bad he can't affect characters for other comic companies 😆

if LT can't affect characters from other comic companies, how do much weaker characters effect other characters in the many versus threads on this site?

Originally posted by Galan007
THIS is DC's true Supreme Being, the writer:

He is >g_infinity ALL

Also, you're laughable.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This

oh, you mean the same person that controls the LT?

what do you want to do, writer vs writer now?

either way, that's saying presence isn't omnipotent because he was created by...Morrison? how are you going to be omnipotent if something made you? People wonder why I say there is no truly omnipotent character

You know the Grant Morrison meeting Animal Man thing was retconned to be a trick of Anansi or something