Chaos King vs Lucifer Morningstar

Originally posted by Epicurus
There is a difference between Cho and someone like Lucifer, in whose very character not lying is a code he lives by. For Lucifer, his word is nothing short of absolute. But that's besides the point. Until you point out the exact post where I claimed that Cho lied, you can take this strawman and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I referenced the Nemesis issue because you've disagreed with Master and SunD's interpretation of the gems possessing multiversal scope of power before as well. Not that I actually have any particular issues with that argument. Lawl at you accusing me of deflections, when you were the one who brought up the IG in the first place. How does it feel to dig your own grave?

Originally posted by Epicurus
1)Who cares? I certainly don't, since I never questioned Cho's claims regarding the destruction of the multiverse to begin with.
2)You could say that pretty much for any comic book publication in which such a feat occurs. The term multiverse is often used loosely and thrown around quite a lot, and for all feats that are shown to be multiversal in scope on-panel, some other evidence in some other comic book eventually pops indicating that the event in question was universal. Your contention, from what I gather, is that in light of such contrary evidence existing, the proof which supports the feat being multiversal should be strong enough to be indisputable i.e everything must be spelled out for the reader(the multiversal feat has to involved alternate universes, otherwise it ain't multiversal). That's not how the comic medium works, even though the evidence posted for Lucifer does fulfill your criteria imo(can't speak for Mikaboshi as I am unaware of the evidence posted in his favor).

Originally posted by Epicurus
But anyways, since you claim that a multiversal being definitely constitutes an infinitude of power beyond a universal being, does a host of Celestials beat the current IG iyo?

Considering that I am not biased for either company's characters(which you and Master certainly are when it comes to Marvel and which Leo and phildo are as well when it comes to DC), I doubt I need to consider how I would react if an accusation like that were to be thrown in my face. 🙂

I am offended that someone would call the strongest evidence posted in favor of Lucifer(his own word) as indisputable, because that either reeks of sheer ignorance of how the character was written under Carey or literal quan-level trollery.

I've actually been accused of being a DC fanboy. Maybe has something to do with how often I argue against Wolverine and, ironically enough, Marvel Cosmic. But for the most part, I don't give a sh1t what you assert about yourself or me. You've given me absolutely nothing to make me believe you're doing anything but just considering evidence from Lucifer's side in a completely hypocritical manner. Such blatant hypocrisy typically only stems from deep-seeded bias. I mean, you've even gone so far as admitting outright to not knowing what evidence is there for Mikaboshi. I'd rather you be biased and informed then unbiased and uninformed just talking out your a$$.

Because the term "multiverse" being dropped once in a random conversation twice-removed from Lucifer's feat + your faith in Lucifer's word in that twice-removed conversation makes Lucifer's feat more multiversal than Chaos King's despite the term "multiverse" being dropped several times in actual conversations directly tied to Chaos King's actual feat + the undisputed faith in Cho's calculations. Sorry, but when you're referencing quan-lite with the utter hypocrisy you're displaying here, the irony threatens to break the internet. Thanks for the laughs.

So, who wins, ODG?

Originally posted by ODG
Since we agree that Amadeus Cho has no reason to lie, what evidence do you have that leads you to believe his observation was so wildly inaccurate, it was wrong by a measure of exponential magnitude: universe as opposed to multiverse? Like Cho, wasn't just wrong. He was wrong by an infinitude of wrong. I'll revisit this below.

Originally posted by ODG

I have no idea why you're bringing up something completely different, even though I clearly clarified what I was referring to. Is it because my actual argument is something you can't argue against much less approach? Ok, then. Nice quaneuver.

Originally posted by ODG

1) Then clearly, if you don't question Cho's claim, then we've got character statements in support of both feats being multiversal.
2) Vertigo doesn't deal with the multiverse anywhere close to the frequency and detail that Marvel does. Any assertion otherwise renders you pants-on-head retarded. Which is all besides the point. Because in the end, you're just acknowledging that the arguments for multiversality are virtually the same for both Lucifer and Chaos King.

What do Celestials' chances against the IG have anything to do with Lucifer or Chaos King? How many times do I have to press people in this thread to stick with the actual characters in this thread? Are my criticisms that the farther you have to stray from the actual characters and their actual feats, the more flimsy the argument is?

It has to do with the retarded claim that multiversal scope of power instantly translates into a scale infinitely beyond that of something limited to single universes. Which means that a handful of Celestials can easily beat the current IG. Do you agree with this assessment?

Originally posted by ODG

I've actually been accused of being a DC fanboy. Maybe has something to do with how often I argue against Wolverine and, ironically enough, Marvel Cosmic. But for the most part, I don't give a sh1t what you assert about yourself or me. You've given me absolutely nothing to make me believe you're doing anything but just considering evidence from Lucifer's side in a completely hypocritical manner. Such blatant hypocrisy typically only stems from deep-seeded bias. I mean, you've even gone so far as admitting outright to not knowing what evidence is there for Mikaboshi. I'd rather you be biased and informed then unbiased and uninformed just talking out your a$$.

Because the term "multiverse" being dropped once in a random conversation twice-removed from Lucifer's feat + your faith in Lucifer's word in that twice-removed conversation makes Lucifer's feat more multiversal than Chaos King's despite the term "multiverse" being dropped several times in actual conversations directly tied to Chaos King's actual feat + the undisputed faith in Cho's calculations. Sorry, but when you're referencing quan-lite with the utter hypocrisy you're displaying here, the irony threatens to break the internet. Thanks for the laughs.

So Lucifer explaining in detail what he has designed to his most beloved lieutenant is a random conversation iyo? My faith in Lucifer's word comes from the way his character was portrayed under Carey's pen; a guy who not only never lies but also holds true to his word and always makes good on it. Lucifer's word is pretty much the equivalent of Word of God when it comes to Carey's series. Do you not even know this basic, and well-established character trait of Lucifer's? How long has it been since you even touched your Lucifer comics?

Originally posted by Epicurus
I am clearly talking about comparing Cho's word to someone like Lucifer's.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I bring it up because in that story we see actual alternate realities being involved.

Originally posted by Epicurus
1)Yes, we certainly do. My contention wasn't which had a stronger claim to being multiversal in scope, bu which was more impressive, and Lucifer's feat takes the cake imo.
2)Frequency, yes. Detail? Not so. The Naglfar storyline clearly involved alternate universes and alternate versions of characters involved in said storyline. I have been acknowledging that since the very beginning, in case you missed it(hint: you didn't, since you quoted that exact post of mine along with Rage's on the previous pages). But then again, you're a functional moron at best(as the original username itself suggest), so I am not really surprised at this lack of basic memory skills. 🙂

Do you have any idea of how retarded a queneuver you tried to pull here? You basically argued with my opinion of the sky as blue, by talking about the ground, and then when I point out you're being a moron over the sky's blueness, you accuse me of misinterpreting your original point about the ground.

Focus, you incurable moron.

Originally posted by Epicurus
It has to do with the retarded claim that multiversal scope of power instantly translates into a scale infinitely beyond that of something limited to single universes. Which means that a handful of Celestials can easily beat the current IG. Do you agree with this assessment?

Oh, wait. Actually if you put it like that, by focusing on the actual consequences of this issue, you'd end up looking like a compete buffoon. Instead, you have to deflect onto Celestials to try to save face over how clownish you've become trying to recover from sticking your foot into your mouth.

Please, keep this up. Your descent into sheer absurdity and imbecility has gone completely unnoticed.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I would find it funny that anyone would be delusional enough to call you a DC fanboy. That's the equivalent of someone claiming that galan is a troll. Read my statements again. I clearly stated that I can't speak for Mikaboshi's case being indisputable since I am unaware about the level of evidence posted in his favor,

CK wins.

Originally posted by Mindset
CK wins.

Originally posted by ODG
This you say, right after having accused me of distorting your position when I tried to focus on Cho's honesty/trustworthiness. Oafish is oafish.

Originally posted by ODG

You bring it up bcause you had no idea what I was actually referring to and decided to bring up something completely irrelevant. But if you really want to discuss the IG+Ego Gem's feat of creating a "universe" which was geometrically the size of America, reopen another thread about it. It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Originally posted by ODG

1) Based on absolutely nothing. But since you are giving credit to Chaos King's multiversality, I directly challenge you to prove that Lucifer's multiversality is greater. I don't need to prove the negative, but I actually can. So by all means, go for it.
2) When you are challenging the veracity of my claim, "Marvel has[] had a storied treatment of the term, "multiverse," richly established by many storylines." you can't just go turn around and then qualify your challenge of my claim by arguing that I didn't understand what you meant by your post-qualification.

Do you have any idea of how retarded a queneuver you tried to pull here? You basically argued with my opinion of the sky as blue, by talking about the ground, and then when I point out you're being a moron over the sky's blueness, you accuse me of misinterpreting your original point about the ground.

Just because it once again forces you into an corner and makes you squeamish like a little girl, doesn't mean that it's retarded. Your belief is that multiversal power insta-equates to a scale infinitely beyond what a universal power can contend with. My examples with the Celestials/IG perfectly kills 2 birds with one stone. In the one shot it destroys this baseless claim of yours, and in another it makes you look like the functional moron you truly are, full-on public display.

Originally posted by ODG

Focus, you incurable moron.

Originally posted by ODG

Oh, I see, you're trying to challenge the argument that someone who tanks a multiverse-destroying blast and recreates a multiverse, isn't a scale of infinity beyond tanking a universe-destroying blast and recreating a single universe.

Oh, wait. Actually if you put it like that, by focusing on the actual consequences of this issue, you'd end up looking like a compete buffoon. Instead, you have to deflect onto Celestials to try to save face over how clownish you've become trying to recover from sticking your foot into your mouth.

Please, keep this up. Your descent into sheer absurdity and imbecility has gone completely unnoticed.

I find it hilarious that you accuse me of trying to save face by claiming that I deflected onto the Celestial issue, when you have yet to actually even attempt to answer it. Instead you on about like a bumbling idiot, strawmanning and lying about sh1t to avoid looking like a tool(bang-up job you've done of it so far, bro).

Your unfailingly loyal and on-time replies to my posts directly contradict this.

Originally posted by ODG
Thanks for admitting, once again, you're talking out of your a$$.

Anyways, Lucifer wins.

Originally posted by Epicurus
But that is exactly what you did. You claimed that I claimed that Cho lied, which is something I never did. I don't get what's so oafish about that.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I bring it up because you dug your own grave by making the claim that a story which involves alternate universes

Originally posted by Epicurus
1) Challenge accepted. Lucifer effortlessly tanked the Big Bang that forged his creation, and in a matter of minutes(time is displaced in his creation, so it appeared to be 7 days while inside it) shaped it into a perfect,full-functioning multiverse. The Chaos King had to gather more power and continually devour gods over the course of the arc to destroy 98.75% of the multiverse. A weakened Lucifer also taught Elaine(who is a n00b compared to him) how to properly wield the demiurgic power and forge creations from it, and after 3 tries(which means a n00b Elaine created a multiverse 3 times) she finally got it right. Lucifer's feat is greater by far.

Just based on that, your argument is a complete farce. Never minding the complete over-inflation of what you think Lucifer actually accomplished -- universal or multiversal.

Originally posted by Epicurus
2) Are you losing your grasp of the English language? Honest to god question. Because I clearly challenge only a portion of your claim

Originally posted by Epicurus
Just because it once again forces you into an corner and makes you squeamish like a little girl, doesn't mean that it's retarded. Your belief is that multiversal power insta-equates to a scale infinitely beyond what a universal power can contend with. My examples with the Celestials/IG perfectly kills 2 birds with one stone. In the one shot it destroys this baseless claim of yours, and in another it makes you look like the functional moron you truly are, full-on public display.

Because this, is actually the heart of the issue. Rather than your complete tragedy of a deflection towards Celestials -- which is both as random as it is pointless. I await your witless response to this simple challenge. Maybe you'll bring up the Phoenix of the White Crown next for absolutely no reason. Well, we know the "reason," you're deflecting like a jibbering spastic ad that's all you've got left, so you've got to type something... anything really... after all. So scratch that, I mean you'll bring up something completely retarded and not connected to the actual issue at all without justification.

Originally posted by Epicurus
First off,

But then again, we all knew it'd be nothing else but. kinda

Originally posted by ODG
Once again, focus, you interminable clod. You're the one who retorted to my original comment about Lucifer's inability to lie when it comes to Cho's statement. You can't just keep talking about lying, and then run away from the simple implication of your deflection every time I slap it back in your face. You really think I don't see through your faux "debating etiquette" here? The strawmanning starts and end with you. I cannot be held responsible for how you butcher premises when it is my statement at issue being challenged. Which is a formal way of saying, I'm not to be blamed for your f@cking up simple English.

Originally posted by ODG

You are an idiot. Or illiterate. Or a liar. Or all three. But that's quaneuvering 101. Thanks for perfectly encapsulating how constitutionally incapable you are of comprehending my position or addressing my position or admitting how poorly you butchered my position.

Originally posted by ODG

What a completely oafish argument. Nobody cares about Amatsu Mikaboshi before he became the fully-powered Chaos King that wrecked Supergod Hercules, who himself, while weakened was able to restore 98.75% of the multiverse instantly without having to mold a completely separate third party demiurgic power. We only care about the Chaos King that beat the sh1t out of Supergod Hercules, who himself, while weakened was able to restore 98.75% of the multiverse without having to mold a completely separate third party demiurgic power.

Just based on that, your argument is a complete farce. Never minding the complete over-inflation of what you think Lucifer actually accomplished -- universal or multiversal.

Again, point out how is it a farce? Destroying 98.75% of the multiverse is not even remotely comparable to a guy who can help design multiverses even in a severely weakened state.

Originally posted by ODG

Because your failure to do anything but challenge only a snippet of my claim rather than approach the full statement isn't you completely admitting to the strawman tactics that you so love to accuse others of. I cannot command you to read, nor command you to admit how clownish you've become. But I can expose it as much as I want to with your own floppish quaneuvering. Let's see how many more times you'll admit to strawmanning and outright ignorance of the subject matter.

Originally posted by ODG

Since you so blunderingly failed my last challenge, here's another: what's a greater feat, tanking a multiversal blast and creating a multiverse or tanking a universal blast and creating a universe? And by what magnitude is the first feat greater than the other?

Because this, is actually the heart of the issue. Rather than your complete tragedy of a deflection towards Celestials -- which is both as random as it is pointless. I await your witless response to this simple challenge. Maybe you'll bring up the Phoenix of the White Crown next for absolutely no reason. Well, we know the "reason," you're deflecting like a jibbering spastic ad that's all you've got left, so you've got to type something... anything really... after all. So scratch that, I mean you'll bring up something completely retarded and not connected to the actual issue at all without justification.

Nah, you actually know what the core of the issue really is, but like anyone afflicted by basic case of dementia, you refuse to acknowledge it due to the fear of losing your frail grasp on reality.

Originally posted by ODG

Nothing. You're an idiot to have tried to taken my standards concerning true multiversality and act like Lucifer's feat met them. Anybody who's read the pertinent issues and the actual feat knows how terribly far below those standards that Lucifer comes. And you've given me nothing but strawmans, deflections, and butthurt to contend with.

But then again, we all knew it'd be nothing else but. kinda

That smiley actually kinda bugs me out. Why do you use it so frequently in flamewars with other posters?

Edit: Lucifer still wins. 🙂

how can anyone even beat chaos king without bfr?
he is the incarnation of void

, if you destroy him he should be able to pop back into existance.
althought that counts as a win come to think of it.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
, if you destroy him he should be able to pop back into existance.
althought that counts as a win come to think of it.

well, congrats on winning your first debate, even if it was just against yourself....

Originally posted by leonidas
well, congrats on winning your first debate, even if it was just against yourself....

😂

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
how can anyone even beat chaos king without bfr?
he is the incarnation of void

How do you kill Death?

Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it can't (or hasn't, or won't) happen.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, congrats on winning your first debate, even if it was just against yourself....

duster

Originally posted by Epicurus
Get back to me when you can do something more than this very unclever "No You!" response. In the meantime, point out exactly where I accused Cho of lying, and then we can make some progress.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Now now, let's not go overboard with the projectionism. Especially when we already saw you bumbling about for everybody to see, strawmanning like a fool in the previous posts.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Do point out what exactly is oafish about it.

Oafish, you see. In case it wasn't clear, oaf.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The fact that he had to devour thousands of gods/pantheons to ultimately come close to causing that level of destruction? Lawl at you comparing Herc, a functional retard(don't be jealous, you too are an exceptional example of that) omnipotence notwithstanding, to a guy like Lucifer.

You're not an amoeba. You actually qualify as some semblance of intelligent life. I'm thinking sea sponge-level. See, a sea-sponge understands the import of the above. And even a witless marine invertebrate understands that Hercules' relative wisdom (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with measurable power. More oafin' about, courtesy of Oaf'y McOaf.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Again, point out how is it a farce? Destroying 98.75% of the multiverse is not even remotely comparable to a guy who can help design multiverses even in a severely weakened state.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yeah right, cerebral palsy it is.

For someone who so blusteringly ran face-first into the proverbial brick-wall of my first challenge, you couldn't be more cowardly about the simple second challenge I laid out for you. Then again... what kind of idiot would actually try to directly disagree with the following issue: tanking a multiversal blast and creating a multiverse is a greater feat than tanking a universal blast and creating a universe, by a scale of infinity?

Only someone whose farcical charade was so irreversibly exposed that he couldn't even generate a spark of conscious thought by rubbing two braincells together. And we haven't reached that point yet. We're still at the faux-debating etiquette + forced-trolling phase, where you hope that walls of text cover up your ineptitude and/or a mod closes this thread before you're completely torn down. So, by all means, keep failing to answer the simple question by talking about off-topic Celestials that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Because you're not completely falling into the pattern of behavior I've moved you towards.

Not my first rodeo, pal. kinda

Originally posted by leonidas
well, congrats on winning your first debate, even if it was just against yourself....

Originally posted by ODG
Concession accepted, quan-lite.

Originally posted by ODG

By all means, take this opportunity to run away from the complete massacre of reading comprehension you displayed there just before. Nobody noticed. What happened to the Negro Blade and America-sized universe building? Was hoping for a thread to be bumped at least. OH WELLZ

I am not going to bump threads that inevitably get closed simply to satiate your desire for trollwars, you silly goose. Either continue the argument in this thread, or drop it and run from it like the sissy that you are.

Originally posted by ODG

That you even thought Mikaboshi's humble beginnings and need to devour the Multiverse to become as powerful as he eventually did was, in any way whatsoever, at all relevant to this thread. Sorry you haven't noticed, but this isn't pre-Chaos King Mikaboshi. The entire conversation has revolved around the Chaos King who had allegedly devoured 98.75% of the multiverse. The sheer desperation you feel right now, clearly evidenced by your reaching towards his humbler origins, was oafish. Like an oaf. Gone oafin' around oafingly.

Oafish, you see. In case it wasn't clear, oaf.

Projecting is projecting. In case it wasn't clear, projecting.

Originally posted by ODG

You were giving credit to Chaos King for the sake of argument, a stipulation that you already agreed to. Accordingly, a weakened Supergod Hercules restored 98.75% of the multiverse instantly. Imagine how powerful he would be if he weren't weakened? Imagine still, that Chaos King was still yet beyond that level since he actually kicked the sh1t out of a healthy Supergod Hercules. And Supergod Hercules never once had to mold a conveniently available plot device demiurgic power to do what he did. The restoration completely came from his personal power. Not from a metamorphosizing Alien Entity, or an exploding Entropy-turned-Eternity, or a self-sacrificing Michael.

You're not an amoeba. You actually qualify as some semblance of intelligent life. I'm thinking sea sponge-level. See, a sea-sponge understands the import of the above. And even a witless marine invertebrate understands that Hercules' relative wisdom (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with measurable power. More oafin' about, courtesy of Oaf'y McOaf.

But still, just for the sake of shutting you up, I'll play along. I already pointed out to you that a near-dead Lucy tanked the very same Big Bang pretty much unscathed after Michael died and transferred the power. Lol, how the heck does him needing to the Demiurgos to forge his creation from somehow lessen the feat?I understand that you are acting like little more than a witless moron at this point, but still try and keep up. The question here is not about Lucifer's lack Creatio Ex Nihilo capability, not that Hercules actually created something from nothing either, along with the fact that said feat practically burnt out all his super-god powers(a fact you're been conveniently ignoring all the while going about parading that feat as if it's even remotely on par with Lucifer shaping a multiverse within a matter of minutes without breaking a sweat), it's about the scope of his power, which is easily multiversal at average portrayals. Which is well-beyond an entity that took pretty much the whole arc to consume 98.75% of the multiverse or an entity who had to literally give up his powers to restore it.

The increasing level of incoherent anger in your posts is in direct proportion to the amount of butthurt you have from the brutal mauling that has been begotten upon you in this thread. I would almost feel sorry for you, were it not for the fact that I myself were the culprit behind said mauling of you, dumb.

Originally posted by ODG

Follow along plz: Chaos King being clearly more powerful than a super-being who, while completely weakened could instantly restore 98.75% of the multiverse, would render Chaos King more powerful than someone who simply designed a multiverse. This isn't rocket science. It's just you typing complete nonsense at this point for the sake of saving face. Trust me, you've lost all face already.

Originally posted by ODG

Trust me, you've lost all face already.

Originally posted by ODG

By all means, keep running away from the actual issue and forcing your laughable and inchoate deflection.

Originally posted by ODG

For someone who so blusteringly ran face-first into the proverbial brick-wall of my first challenge, you couldn't be more cowardly about the simple second challenge I laid out for you. Then again... what kind of idiot would actually try to directly disagree with the following issue: tanking a multiversal blast and creating a multiverse is a greater feat than tanking a universal blast and creating a universe, by a scale of infinity?

What kind of an idiot would actually try to talk in terms of absolutes when it comes to comics is what's I am interested in. Because that is pretty much what you did; claim that multiversal power is clearly an infinity beyond universal power. So going by that logic, a handful of Celestials should absolutely stomp the IG into the ground even worse than the stomping I laid on your ass throughout the course of this discussion.

Do you agree with this assessment based on your logic? That a handful of Celestials can handily beat the IG? Just answer with a "Yes" or "No", for simplicity's sake. I don't want you suffering from a cranial hemorrhage after all.

Originally posted by ODG

Only someone whose farcical charade was so irreversibly exposed that he couldn't even generate a spark of conscious thought by rubbing two braincells together. And we haven't reached that point yet. We're still at the faux-debating etiquette + forced-trolling phase, where you hope that walls of text cover up your ineptitude and/or a mod closes this thread before you're completely torn down. So, by all means, keep failing to answer the simple question by talking about off-topic Celestials that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Because you're not completely falling into the pattern of behavior I've moved you towards.

Not my first rodeo, pal. kinda

I'll simply take the convo to the PMs like I did before. And you'll simply discard this shell of the elite debater you put on in public and retreat back to being the clueless, witless tool that you are when we get up close and personal. Lawl at the Celestials being off-topic though, and even bigger lawl at you thinking that you've manipulated my behavior in any way whatsoever. Has anyone told you how cute you seem when you go all durhulk? Though to be honest, my ex's pet kitten would seem more threatening than you on your worse day. Now I really feel awful for having added one more thing atop the laundry list of crappy stuff which makes your life seem like that of someone from India's leper communities.

Not mine either, brah. That smiley though still bugs me out for some reason.

Originally posted by Epicurus
http://www.coldwinterknights.net/images/FinalIronyMeter.gif

Projecting, again. Nevermind the fact that you thinking that the America-sized universe building was the only noteworthy feat produced by the gems in that arc is....well, retarded, even for you.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I am not going to bump threads that inevitably get closed simply to satiate your desire for trollwars, you silly goose. Either continue the argument in this thread, or drop it and run from it like the sissy that you are.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You do realize that I am talking about the Chaos King version of Mikaboshi, don't you? Or are you actually stupid enough to claim that Mikaboshi absorbed 98.75% of the multiverse in one fell swoop, when there is no actual on-panel evidence to point towards such an idea, but to the contrary; that he did over the course of the arc. If there was ever any doubt as to whether or not you were a well-functioning idiot, you've left no room for it now.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Projecting is projecting. In case it wasn't clear, projecting.

Imagine, imagine, imagine. Is that all you can rely upon to even try and make a semblance of a case here in support of the Chaos King? Imagination, lol. Sorry, but we don't argue based on personal fantasies instead of actual, hard, on-panel proof. Because if that were the case, if we were to rely on implications alone instead of hard evidence, then you would have no choice but to accept Superman-fans's position that current DCnU Superman can indeed bust planets based on his planet-benching feat.

But still, just for the sake of shutting you up, I'll play along. I already pointed out to you that a near-dead Lucy tanked the very same Big Bang pretty much unscathed after Michael died and transferred the power. Lol, how the heck does him needing to the Demiurgos to forge his creation from somehow lessen the feat?I understand that you are acting like little more than a witless moron at this point, but still try and keep up. The question here is not about Lucifer's lack Creatio Ex Nihilo capability, not that Hercules actually created something from nothing either, along with the fact that said feat practically burnt out all his super-god powers(a fact you're been conveniently ignoring all the while going about parading that feat as if it's even remotely on par with Lucifer shaping a multiverse within a matter of minutes without breaking a sweat), it's about the scope of his power, which is easily multiversal at average portrayals. Which is well-beyond an entity that took pretty much the whole arc to consume 98.75% of the multiverse or an entity who had to literally give up his powers to restore it.

Your inability to admit you're wrong is rather epic. Because it's essentially rendered you absurdly imbecilic. This corner you've just put yourself in is even stupider than adjusting Moon's orbit >>>> holding apart two Earths/universes. And, somehow, you're willing to keep up the charade just because you forcing yourself to post something... anything. Sheer comedy, right here.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The increasing level of incoherent anger

Oh holy jebus. Your epic meltdown is now reaching zopzop-levels. It's to the point where it might stop being funny, and just end up tragically embarrassing. Like "balloons n' tanks"-level. A shame too, I was kinda interested in completely deconstructing Lucifer's supposed multiversality. Should I stop doing this to you? Maybe I should stop.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I'll simply take the convo to the PMs

Originally posted by ODG
Right, I forgot, Grandmaster basically no-sold the Infinity Gems too.

Originally posted by ODG

Ok, so you brought up something off-topic, ended up looking completely retarded for it. And then ended up somehow blaming me. Not surprised. I found this queneuver to be particularly subpar.

Originally posted by ODG

Insisting that you haven't made a complete oaf of yourself isn't dispelling the oafishness. This isn't Lucifer Morningstar vs pre-Multiverse devouring Chaos King. And only a below-sea sponge intellect could think that this thread, or the pages of discussion, involved a ore-multiverse devouring Chaos King. Keep quaneuvering.

Originally posted by ODG

Someone who beats the sh1t out of a superbeing who, while weakened can instantly restore 98.75% of the multiverse, isn't more powerful than someone who designs a multiverse. Neither is someone who can restore 98.75% of the multiverse with his personal power instantly demonstrably more powerful than someone who can design a multiverse from someone else's power in minutes.

Your inability to admit you're wrong is rather epic. Because it's essentially rendered you absurdly imbecilic. This corner you've just put yourself in is even stupider than adjusting Moon's orbit >>>> holding apart two Earths/universes. And, somehow, you're willing to keep up the charade just because you forcing yourself to post something... anything. Sheer comedy, right here.

You go on about yet again parading CK's feat of beating the crap outta Super-G Herc even while ignoring the fact that a weakened Lucifer killed Michael, who still had enough juice to make Yahweh's creation go kaboom. The very same kaboom which Lucifer effortlessly tanked despite being weakened, once the power was transferred to Elaine. That's 100% of the mulitverse alright, and last I checked 100>98.75 according to basic math, not that I expect you to make head or tail of basic math since you can't even read what's written right in front of you.

Rather than going to the boorish and cliched path of "YOUR RONG! I M RITE!!!DURR", try and make legit argument for why either Herc or Mikaboshi's feats put them even in the same ballpark as Lucifer. Until then, speak only when you're spoken to, dumb.

Originally posted by ODG

Oh holy jebus. Your epic meltdown is now reaching zopzop-levels. It's to the point where it might stop being funny, and just end up tragically embarrassing. Like "balloons n' tanks"-level. A shame too, I was kinda interested in completely deconstructing Lucifer's supposed multiversality. Should I stop doing this to you? Maybe I should stop.

So says the guy who's relying on the sort of arguments which only quanchi brings up in Lucifer-related threads. But do go ahead and try to "deconstruct"(I doubt you even know the meaning of that word) Lucifer's feat, and I'll deconstruct said "deconstruction". Though this time I promise to be more gentle, and not try to cause you the aneurism which you're so clearly afflicted from right now(courtesy of the previously mentioned ass-mauling inflicted on you in previous posts).

Originally posted by ODG
Oh, I see. This is where you quite literally announce that you want me to stop doing this to you publicly. Ok, then.

Oh don't worry, if a mod closes this thread or warns us both from replying to each other, then *edit: continues in next post* I'll simply take the convo to the PMs