Chaos King vs Lucifer Morningstar

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Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by ODG
Because universes don't contain dimensions within them? That the loaded term, "dimension," must somehow signify a fully-functioning alternate universe? How sadly stupid of you. Go ahead and prove that in Vertigo, God's original universe, let alone Elaine's or Lucifer's, contains no other dimension within it other than normal space-time.

More scans that spell out what Lucifer did, because direct proof of the scope of Lucifer's feat somehow is less meaningful to you from an evidentiary perspective than your butchering of simple English and twisting of loaded terms like "dimensions":

But please, your abject denial of the obvious only demonstrates how incurably hypocritical and biased you are once you've picked a favorite character and someone starts sh1tting all over your pointless attempts to over-inflate him.


Because the term dimension doesn't refer to a universe when used in comics or fiction in general? Your ignorance is appalling at this point.

Anyways, yet another scan that you just spammed in this thread which I've already seen. On that note, I direct you to browse the "Lucifer's creation was a universe" section of my photobucket library. Because once upon a time, I too argued what you are doing now, and my case was more solidly presented as it relied on Lucifer's own word. Nonetheless, my argument in support of the universality of Lucifer's feat was disproven and I was convinced otherwise. I pray that you too see the light, and cease and desist with this silly faux-deconstruction, since it won't end well for you. At all.

Free tip; never try to bullshit a bullshitter.

Cogito Senior Member

This is stupid.

The most recent canonical text explicitly confirms that it was a multiverse. As far as time goes, maybe someone can post a scan for me because I don't have it on me right now, but when Lucifer first creates he "sends time out ahead of him" and also creates the laws of physics at the same time, because that's what he's used to and that's what he felt like doing. He created both from scratch, so to say that Lucifer required 'x' amount of time to do anything when he created the very concept of time in his creation, is stupid. He didn't even have to create time, it's just what did.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes, we all know that volatile power source is pure creative energy.
Especially when it's released into a void and manipulated by its chosen-molder. That you tried to gloss over this by merely insulting others without actually doing anything to counter their arguments or my restated one only belies how empty your argument is.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Lucifer created a multiverse instantly.
No, he didn't. Guess we're at the point where we have to start resizing the scans again:

When you're reduced to outright lying over the scenes in question, what else is there really to do? Oh, I know! Push your helplessly pigheaded ego into a spiraling descent of lies that make it all but obvious that only through willful misinterpretations and pernicious lies could you see Lucifer's feat as multiversal. Chaos King is really just an unfortunate spear for you to fall on. Because nobody cares about this character. Somehow, that just makes it worse. Adds flavor to the deconstruction though.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Chaos King didn't absorb 98.75% of the multiverse in one fell swoop either. Obvious fact is obvious.
Thank you for pointing out a completely unextraordinary fact that has nothing to do with with this thread or this argument. Nobody ever suggested otherwise and nobody argued that a non-peak Chaos King from the beginning of Chaos War #1 was more powerful than a weakened Supergod Hercules.

You can repeat your brainless deflection as much as you want. I know that at some point, completely lying about your favored comic storylines, wears on even your psyche and so, might as well post some quaneuvers to pass the time between them. Those aren't really pure lies. Those are just p1ss-poor deflections to cover up how boneheaded your prior statement/argument was.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You just can't stand accepting such an obvious fact due to the rectal damage that you're still recovering from, knowing that admitting to the truth will only be all the more painful for you, dumb.

And here I thought that you were capable of even the slightest bit of shame and wouldn't dare bring up zop's name again. Because honestly, you trying to hide behind zop's skirts after the utter carcrash that you underwent at my hands just removes any and all doubt I had as to how low you're willing to stoop in order to even try and retain some semblance of dignity here.

Well, half a retard is still better than full retard. For future scenarios, don't phrase insults in such a manner that it seems that you're aiming them at yourself. It makes you look quite silly, and you already look silly enough as far as this thread is concerned. But anyways, back to me addressing and demolishing this hilarious quanchi-based argument that you're parroting now that Lucifer was designed by God to wield those energies somehow means that he has special protection against the power; Michael was able to hurt Lucy with the Demiurgic power when they battled. Lucifer was also created by God to be the embodiment of will; his function is to shape the substance of reality as he sees fit. Being a multiversal scale reality warper by your very nature is not the same as having a plot-device immunity to a particular energy. Otherwise we can go on about saying that Franklin Richards was specially designed to withstand Celestial blasts. Awful logic becomes even more awful with the passage of time.👇

In the meantime, get back to me when you figure out how to even properly utilize the KMC quote function.🙂

Angry is angry. But you're doing it to yourself. Let's continue with the utter deconstruction of Lucifer's supposed multiversality based on the comics themselves.

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by Cogito
This is stupid.

The most recent canonical text explicitly confirms that it was a multiverse. As far as time goes, maybe someone can post a scan for me because I don't have it on me right now, but when Lucifer first creates he "sends time out ahead of him" and also creates the laws of physics at the same time, because that's what he's used to and that's what he felt like doing. He created both from scratch, so to say that Lucifer required 'x' amount of time to do anything when he created the very concept of time in his creation, is stupid. He didn't even have to create time, it's just what did.


That's the least of it. He's lowballing Lucifer's feat by relying on dumb(no pun intended) arguments such as "it was creation energy!", "lucifer was designed to tank those energies" etc.

Cogito, do you remember which other poster used to rely on such flimsy arguments in the past in Lucifer threads in general?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Cogito
This is stupid.

The most recent canonical text explicitly confirms that it was a multiverse. As far as time goes, maybe someone can post a scan for me because I don't have it on me right now, but when Lucifer first creates he "sends time out ahead of him" and also creates the laws of physics at the same time, because that's what he's used to and that's what he felt like doing. He created both from scratch, so to say that Lucifer required 'x' amount of time to do anything when he created the very concept of time in his creation, is stupid. He didn't even have to create time, it's just what did.

http://imgur.com/LDjxtaI

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by Galan007
http://imgur.com/LDjxtaI

Thank you. It does say time is a crucial factor, so you could argue whether or not it needed to be made, but IMO it only needs to be made to make his universe more or less the same as God's (which is what he obviously was going for, minus time operating at the same rate)

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Epicurus
Because the term dimension doesn't refer to a universe when used in comics or fiction in general?
No, it doesn't. And especially not in Vertigo or Lucifer's stories. There, that was simple.

But, yes, I suppose you could be pants-on-head retarded and try to argue that the dimension of Asgard is a fully-functioning alternate universe instead of, y'know, a dimension separate from normal space-time within a universe. Or that the dimension of Nightmare's Realm was a fully-functioning alternate universe instead of, y'know, a dimension separate from normal space-time within a universe.

Please, keep being pants-on-head-retarded about this.

Originally posted by Cogito
This is stupid.

The most recent canonical text explicitly confirms that it was a multiverse.

An offhand comment using a loaded term once, in a conversation between characters from a storyline several times removed from the actual scenes in question, doesn't confirm anything. Is there a problem with posting scans of the actual feat in question? Apparently so. Let's see if consequences flowing directly from the feat in question in the next issue presents a problem:

Pretty sure the Lilim aren't thinking about a multiverse of endless alternate universes here. Just a new single universe. Lucifer's. Because that's what he created.

Originally posted by Cogito
As far as time goes, maybe someone can post a scan for me because I don't have it on me right now, but when Lucifer first creates he "sends time out ahead of him" and also creates the laws of physics at the same time, because that's what he's used to and that's what he felt like doing. He created both from scratch, so to say that Lucifer required 'x' amount of time to do anything when he created the very concept of time in his creation, is stupid. He didn't even have to create time, it's just what did.
Yes, Lucifer creates the laws of his universe by creating time and sending it out like a shuttle of a loom. And eons pass by for his Earth to be ready for his faux-paradise to be populated.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Cogito
Thank you. It does say time is a crucial factor, so you could argue whether or not it needed to be made, but IMO it only needs to be made to make his universe more or less the same as God's (which is what he obviously was going for, minus time operating at the same rate)
The concept of time is non-existent the the void:
http://i.imgur.com/Mbzqgga.jpg
http://imgur.com/mQV0s89
http://imgur.com/NfmqebM
http://imgur.com/vGWNDur

Therefore, Lucifer must have introduced it into his creation.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ Bingo. 👆

Originally posted by Cogito
Thank you. It does say time is a crucial factor, so you could argue whether or not it needed to be made, but IMO it only needs to be made to make his universe more or less the same as God's (which is what he obviously was going for, minus time operating at the same rate)
Time being a crucial factor isn't dispositive of the eons beyond counting that passed by while Lucifer is actually doing his feat. It can be both. Since, y'know, for a universe to function it needs time to develop.

This isn't hard people.

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by ODG
Especially when it's released into a void and manipulated by its chosen-molder. That you tried to gloss over this by merely insulting others without actually doing anything to counter their arguments or my restated one only belies how empty your argument is.

Please, do go ahead and enlighten us as to the reason why he had to release it in the void to begin with? Oh, that's right, you can't seeing how it completely undermines your flopped lowballing of the feat in question.
Originally posted by ODG

No, he didn't. Guess we're at the point where we have to start resizing the scans again:

When you're reduced to outright lying over the scenes in question, what else is there really to do? Oh, I know! Push your helplessly pigheaded ego into a spiraling descent of lies that make it all but obvious that only through willful misinterpretations and pernicious lies could you see Lucifer's feat as multiversal. Chaos King is really just an unfortunate spear for you to fall on. Because nobody cares about this character. Somehow, that just makes it worse. Adds flavor to the deconstruction though.


Look, I understand that reading comprehension is definitely not your forte as you so brilliantly demonstrated on the previous page(s), but are you color-blind as well? Because that and that alone can explain this latest piece of idiocy that you've taken upon yourself to parade around in this thread. Spamming that scan over and over trying to convince yourself that you're right. Sorry kiddo, bu that's not how real life works. In the real world, it doesn't matter how many times you try to repeat a lie, it doesn't become the truth. And that's infinitely truer when the "fact" which you're relying upon to delude yourself into thinking that your naysayer is wrong, actually proves said naysayer right.
Originally posted by ODG

Thank you for pointing out a completely unextraordinary fact that has nothing to do with with this thread or this argument. Nobody ever suggested otherwise and nobody argued that a non-peak Chaos King from the beginning of Chaos War #1 was more powerful than a weakened Supergod Hercules.

You can repeat your brainless deflection as much as you want. I know that at some point, completely lying about your favored comic storylines, wears on even your psyche and so, might as well post some quaneuvers to pass the time between them. Those aren't really pure lies. Those are just p1ss-poor deflections to cover up how boneheaded your prior statement/argument was. Angry is angry. But you're doing it to yourself. Let's continue with the utter deconstruction of Lucifer's supposed multiversality based on the comics themselves.


Thank you for finally getting such an obvious, extraordinary, but important fact that I have been trying to communicate across to you, but which your poor reading comprehension undermined in the process. It is certainly very relevant to this thread, since it showcases that Lucifer can achieve in a matter of minutes, the antithesis of which the Chaos King needs a whole comicbook event to perform.

You can repeat with this faux deconstruction of yours all you want, and I'll gobble it up, digest it and excrete into its true fecal form and then flush it down the toilet.

Btw, how is that learning of how to work quote functions going? I hear they can be quite a bummer for dummies like you.😂

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by ODG
No, it doesn't. And especially not in Vertigo or Lucifer's stories. There, that was simple.

But, yes, I suppose you could be pants-on-head retarded and try to argue that the dimension of Asgard is a fully-functioning alternate universe instead of, y'know, a dimension separate from normal space-time within a universe. Or that the dimension of Nightmare's Realm was a fully-functioning alternate universe instead of, y'know, a dimension separate from normal space-time within a universe.

Please, keep being pants-on-head-retarded about this.


Yes, it does. Pray, do tell why especially Vertigo and Lucifer comics are the exception here? When we actually saw alternate universes in the Naglfar storyline in Lucifer at least.

Lawl, deflecting to Asgard now that I just put a hole in this awful "deconstruction" of yours that Lucifer's creation was simply a universe? Speaking of which, Rage once posted scans which point to Asgard actually being a separate universe a long time back. I'll pm him for more details.

Please, keep being an utter and complete moron about this.

Originally posted by ODG

An offhand comment using a loaded term once, in a conversation between characters from a storyline several times removed from the actual scenes in question, doesn't confirm anything. Is there a problem with posting scans of the actual feat in question? Apparently so. Let's see if consequences flowing directly from the feat in question in the next issue presents a problem:

Pretty sure the Lilim aren't thinking about a multiverse of endless alternate universes here. Just a new single universe. Lucifer's. Because that's what he created. Yes, Lucifer creates the laws of his universe by creating time and sending it out like a shuttle of a loom. And eons pass by for his Earth to be ready for his faux-paradise to be populated.


Lawl, you do realize that the Lilim were wrong about Lucifer when they initially believed that they could convince him to let them exist in his Creation? Or the fact that Briadach isn't really that well-known for telling the truth to his own kind?

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by ODG
^ Bingo. 👆 Time being a crucial factor isn't dispositive of the eons beyond counting that passed by while Lucifer is actually doing his feat. It can be both. Since, y'know, for a universe to function it needs time to develop.

This isn't hard people.


You can't actually be this much of witless tool. Both Galan and Cogito's assertion is crystal clear; the fact that time wasn't even a concept that existed prior to Lucifer introducing it in his creation means that the feat was performed instantaneously.

Stop lying. I won't ask twice. It has already been pointed out to you that since time is differently scaled in his universe, it took him several minutes of real-time to perform the actual feat. Which your own scan highlights in this scenario. I am almost tempted to hit the report button now that you're resorted to outright lying and distorting of facts.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Epicurus
Please, do go ahead and enlighten us as to the reason why he had to release it in the void to begin with? Oh, that's right, you can't seeing how it completely undermines your flopped lowballing of the feat in question.
Because he wasn't interested in destroying God's ceation. He was interested in escaping it. It's like you tried to make a point, but didn't.

Par for the course. kinda

Originally posted by Epicurus
In the real world, it doesn't matter how many times you try to repeat a lie, it doesn't become the truth.
Since when is the shoe on the other foot here? I'm posting multiple scans that show wha Lucifer created was a universe. Confirmed, time and time again. I'm not the one butchering scans, inventing feats, inflating performances, misrepresenting terms and relying on sh1tastic wordplay to get where I'm going. I'm reading the comics. You should try ti too since you so love this storyline:

Universe. Not multiverse. Universe. Over and over again. Let's not pretend that there aren't dozen more where these came from. I'm not the one who has to rely on a single anecedotal reference.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Thank you for finally getting such an obvious, extraordinary, but important fact that I have been trying to communicate across to you, but which your poor reading comprehension undermined in the process. It is certainly very relevant to this thread, since it showcases that Lucifer can achieve in a matter of minutes, the antithesis of which the Chaos King needs a whole comicbook event to perform.

You can repeat with this faux deconstruction of yours all you want, and I'll gobble it up, digest it and excrete into its true fecal form and then flush it down the toilet.

Btw, how is that learning of how to work quote functions going? I hear they can be quite a bummer for dummies like you.😂

Once again, no actual substance. You're just repeating the same dashed arguments with the same deflections and hoping your impotent bluster will make up for the utter lack of merit your opposition actually contains.

Moreover, glossing over how many times you've lied in his thread isn't going o make me stop exposing them. Lucifer didn't do what he did in minutes. He took eons. Minutes passed by elsewhere, but in Lucifer's case, it took eons. You just have to read the comic itself.

Let me know when you can actually discuss the comics. Or don't. It's not like I'm finished exposing the number of lies you littered about though this entire trainwreck of a discussion. When Hulk gets angry, he gets stronger exponentially. When you get angry, your willingness to lie and then hope nobody notices only increases exponentially. And you've been angry for a while. So let's keep going.

👆

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes, it does. Pray, do tell why especially Vertigo and Lucifer comics re the exception here?

Lawl, deflecting to Asgard now that I just put a hole in this awful "deconstruction" of yours that Lucifer's creation was simply a universe? Speaking of which, Rage once posted scans which point to Asgard actually being a separate universe a long time back. I'll pm him for more details.

Your brainless insistence otherwise doesn't serve as proof of anything. Try posting evidence that when Elaine, Lucifer, Duma and Mazikeen were widening the gates, Elaine passed through fully-functioning alternate universes, rather than pass through a single universe's dimensions contained within it.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Lawl, you do realize that the Lilim were wrong about Lucifer when they initially believed that they could convince him to let them exist in his Creation? Or the fact that Briadach isn't really that well-known for telling the truth to his own kind?
Being wrong about Lucifer's willingness to extend hospitality to the Lilim =/= being correct that Lucifer created a new universe.

What a spectacularly oafish deflection.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You can't actually be this much of witless tool. Both Galan and Cogito's assertion is crystal clear; the fact that time wasn't even a concept that existed prior to Lucifer introducing it in his creation means that the feat was performed instantaneously.
No sh1t, Sherlock. I said as much myself. What a pointless restatement of unextraordinary fact.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Stop lying. I won't ask twice. It has already been pointed out to you that since time is differently scaled in his universe, it took him several minutes of real-time to perform the actual feat. Which your own scan highlights in this scenario. I am almost tempted to hit the report button now that you're resorted to outright lying and distorting of facts.
No. You're lying. The time gradient set up let Lucifer spend eons in his universe when minutes passed by on Earth. The very existence of a different time-scale necessarily demonstates that Lucifer spent eons in his universe. If he only spent minutes in it, there would be no need for the time gradient. Moreover, your assertion lends itself to absurdity. Normal people who crossed over into his universe were operating at that universe's time-scale. They weren't superspeeding all over the place, you witless fool.

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by ODG
Please, keep being pants-on-head-retarded about this. An offhand comment using a loaded term once, in a conversation between characters from a storyline several times removed from the actual scenes in question, doesn't confirm anything.

1. The story is canon, so when it takes place is irrelevant and you know that.

2. An offhand comment? Are you kidding me? He explicitly goes out of his way to correct her when she calls it a universe to say that it is in fact a multiverse -- a totality.

3. No more proof is needed. Done. Canon. Can't argue it. Stop trying.

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by Epicurus
Cogito, do you remember which other poster used to rely on such flimsy arguments in the past in Lucifer threads in general?

Think his name started with a Q?

Originally posted by Galan007
The concept of time is non-existent the the void:
http://i.imgur.com/Mbzqgga.jpg
http://imgur.com/mQV0s89
http://imgur.com/NfmqebM
http://imgur.com/vGWNDur

Therefore, Lucifer must have introduced it into his creation.

👆

No doubt whatsoever Lucifer created time.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Bingo. 👆 Time being a crucial factor isn't dispositive of the eons beyond counting that passed by while Lucifer is actually doing his feat. It can be both. Since, y'know, for a universe to function it needs time to develop.

This isn't hard people.

You're right, this isn't hard. He's emulating his father's creation almost exactly. Every line of text makes that blatantly obvious, as he compares what he does to how it was before, as he clearly copies the biblical creation story, etc. To say that he is bound by something that he casually created, is stupid. Hell, in your scan he even goes out of his way to say that all this is not necessary.

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by ODG
Because he wasn't interested in destroying God's ceation. He was interested in escaping it. It's like you tried to make a point, but didn't.

No, you witless tool. The answer is so simple yet you have to actually make it so complicated, and in doing so end up completely wrong.

Par for the course. kinda

Originally posted by ODG

Since when is the shoe on the other foot here?

Since the very beginning of this discussion between you and me.
Originally posted by ODG

I'm posting multiple scans that show wha Lucifer created was a universe.

Correction, you're spamming multiple scans which pretty much anyone who's educated on Lucifer discussions has seen before and addressed before.
Originally posted by ODG

Confirmed, time and time again.

Colloquial references to his creation as a universe don't count as confirmations.

Originally posted by ODG
I'm not the one butchering scans, inventing feats, inflating performances, misrepresenting terms and relying on sh1tastic wordplay to get where I'm going.

Are you sure? Because that is exactly what you've been doing for the last 2 pages of this thread.
Originally posted by ODG

I'm reading the comics. You should try ti too since you so love this storyline:

No, you're not. You're just going across respect threads and other people's arguments before you. That you have to actually stoop so low as to steal arguments from quanchi112 himself is telling of how far you're willing to go to lowball Lucifer simply to win a shitpost trolling contest with me.
Originally posted by ODG

Universe. Not multiverse. Universe. Over and over again. Let's not pretend that there aren't dozen more where these came from. I'm not the one who has to rely on a single anecedotal reference. Once again, no actual substance. You're just repeating the same dashed arguments with the same deflections and hoping your impotent bluster will make up for the utter lack of merit your opposition actually contains.

Colloquial references to his creation as a "universe" does not, in fact override what Lucifer himself explains in detail to Mazikeen here:

Originally posted by ODG

Moreover, glossing over how many times you've lied in his thread isn't going o make me stop exposing them. Lucifer didn't do what he did in minutes. He took eons. Minutes passed by elsewhere, but in Lucifer's case, it took eons. You just have to read the comic itself.

Originally posted by ODG

Let me know when you can actually discuss the comics. Or don't. It's not like I'm finished exposing the number of lies you littered about though this entire trainwreck of a discussion. When Hulk gets angry, he gets stronger exponentially. When you get angry, your willingness to lie and then hope nobody notices only increases exponentially. And you've been angry for a while. So let's keep going.

👆


Originally posted by Epicurus
The increasing level of incoherent anger in your posts is in direct proportion to the amount of butthurt you have from the brutal mauling that has been begotten upon you in this thread. I would almost feel sorry for you, were it not for the fact that I myself were the culprit behind said mauling of you, dumb.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Cogito
1. The story is canon, so when it takes place is irrelevant and you know that.

2. An offhand comment? Are you kidding me? He explicitly goes out of his way to correct her when she calls it a universe to say that it is in fact a multiverse -- a totality.

3. No more proof is needed. Done. Canon. Can't argue it. Stop trying.

1. So was the story where Thanos said he'd rule over "all the unvierseS" with his IG in that one side-plot that nobody cared about. It's meager, singular existence doesn't outweigh the multitude of actual comics where the feat is displayed and expounded upon directly.

2. An offhand comment where he corrected her noting ucifer created his own "realm." "Realm," denoting Hell and Heaven and the sort since Lucifer's reign over Hell was what Mazikeen was most familiar with.

3. When it is outright stated several doen times over that what he created a universe. Then yes, you need more than an anecdotal reference to the loaded term, "multiverse." Your standards may be lighter (laughably so), but mine aren't. And lest you not be aware of Epicrus' argument with me, he is arguing that by my own standards that I've elucidated on page 8, Lucifer's feat is multiversal.

You and I can argue over your own standard another time. In the meantime, you can have more scans:

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by ODG
Your brainless insistence otherwise doesn't serve as proof of anything. Try posting evidence that when Elaine, Lucifer, Duma and Mazikeen were widening the gates, Elaine passed through fully-functioning alternate universes, rather than pass through a single universe's dimensions contained within it.

Except that it absolutely does. We know that the term "dimension" is used synonymously with the term "universe" in comic fiction. We know that Lucifer's creation was a multiverse. Adding two and two together shouldn't be all that difficult, even for you dumb.
Originally posted by ODG

Being wrong about Lucifer's willingness to extend hospitality to the Lilim =/= being correct that Lucifer created a new universe.

What a spectacularly oafish deflection.


What a spectacularly unimpressive comeback. Quick question; do you know which of the 2 children Lilim were ousted by Lilith for leading the Lilim to Lucifer's servitude? Better yet, which of them was punished for the crime of making out with a human woman(daughter of eve) and which one was murdered for lying to his race? Since you've been so busy browsing through your Lucifer comics, let's see you answer this one.
Originally posted by ODG

No sh1t, Sherlock. I said as much myself. What a pointless restatement of unextraordinary fact.

No you didn't. You deflected that by proclaiming that I was referring to pre-CK Mikaboshi. Liar, liar pants on fire!
Originally posted by ODG

No. You're lying. The time gradient set up let Lucifer spend eons in his universe when minutes passed by on Earth. The very existence of a different time-scale necessarily demonstates that Lucifer spent eons in his universe. If he only spent minutes in it, there would be no need for the time gradient. Moreover, your assertion lends itself to absurdity. Normal people who crossed over into his universe were operating at that universe's time-scale. They weren't superspeeding all over the place, you witless fool.

I am beginning to run out of pot/kettle memes to post, but you don't seem to be getting tired of posting the same irony-laced accusation of me lying to save face from the complete havoc that you just inflicted on yourself by posting a scan which literally confirms my claim that the feat was performed within minutes in terms of real time and then acting as if it actually vindicates your position. Whatever. You tried. You lied. You cried. Time to move on.

Eon Blue Restricted

Lucifer still wins.