Chaos King vs Lucifer Morningstar

Originally posted by Epicurus
If lowballing's all you gots, then might as well bring up the Rune/Surfer scene.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Can you not read? Honest to god question. Because if you can, scroll back to the top of this conversation, and you'll realize that me talking about the Chaos King needing pretty much the entirety of Chaos War to devour just 98.75% of the multiverse and you assuming that I am talking about pre-CK Mikaboshi doesn't match up. Once you've done so and realized in the process who the real oaf here really is, come back to me an apologize like a good little girl. I may grace thee with mine pardon.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Wow. You really are illiterate. Since it's too hard for you to even understand simple words, I'll lend a helping hand. First, as I mentioned regarding Herc before, he didn't create something from nothing, he just restored what was already ruined in the wake of the Chaos King's destruction.

Originally posted by Epicurus
That is Lucifer's limitation; Creatio Ex Nihilo, you bumbling buffoon. Notwithstanding the fact that it wasn't really his personal power, but the amp upon amp which he got from the God-artifacts and(debatably) Gaea herself, what Herc did resulted in him losing his powers. Which never happened to Lucifer, even in a weakened state.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You go on about yet again parading CK's feat of beating the crap outta Super-G Herc even while ignoring the fact that a weakened Lucifer killed Michael, who still had enough juice to make Yahweh's creation go kaboom. The very same kaboom which Lucifer effortlessly tanked despite being weakened, once the power was transferred to Elaine. That's 100% of the mulitverse alright, and last I checked 100>98.75 according to basic math, not that I expect you to make head or tail of basic math since you can't even read what's written right in front of you.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Rather than going to the boorish and cliched path of "YOUR RONG! I M RITE!!!DURR", try and make legit argument for why either Herc or Mikaboshi's feats put them even in the same ballpark as Lucifer. Until then, speak only when you're spoken to, dumb.

Can't you even try and be the slightest bit original? I already posted an irony gif above, least you could do is try to use a different meme.

So says the guy who's relying on the sort of arguments which only quanchi brings up in Lucifer-related threads. But do go ahead and try to "deconstruct"(I doubt you even know the meaning of that word) Lucifer's feat, and I'll deconstruct said "deconstruction". Though this time I promise to be more gentle, and not try to cause you the aneurism which you're so clearly afflicted from right now(courtesy of the previously mentioned ass-mauling inflicted on you in previous posts).

Oh, I see. Reading comprehension isn't your strongest forte:

Because, well. Trainwrecks are interesting to look at, sure. More enjoyable to cause though. kinda

Originally posted by ODG
Thanks for further pointing out how retarded the IG became when the Ultraverse got involved. Was this supposed to be some sort of a double-edged sword? You... kinda failed there.

Originally posted by ODG

This made zero sense. I couldn't even deconstruct it. Take a day or two to calm down. At that point, maybe you'll start being coherent again.

Originally posted by ODG
98.75% of the multiverse was absorbed directly by Chaos King.

Originally posted by ODG

So, yes, Supergod Hercules did literally create ex nihilo.

Focus, you incurable moron.duster

Originally posted by ODG

I didn't even catch this monumental error on your part beforehand. If your tactics have now switched to "just distract him with a blizzard of nonsense," it's actually working.

Originally posted by ODG
Yes, an exhausted Supergod Hercules lost his remaining power completely when he restored 98.75% of the multiverse. But we're not comparing an exhausted Supergod Hercules to Lucifer+Michael's demiurgos. We're comparing peak Chaos King (who was >>> peak Supergod Hercules, who was >>> weakened Supergod Hercules) to Lucifer+Michael's demiurgos.

Originally posted by ODG

Sounds like someone's angry enough to invite me to deconstruct Lucifer "tanking" Michael's demiurgos. Because this was ever a premise I ever granted you during that imaginary conversation where you even justified such a characterization. Angry is angry. I'm sorry I managed to throw your attempt to escape this conversation back at you in such a stinging manner, you felt compelled to slink back. Not like that wasn't completely the point.

Because, well. Trainwrecks are interesting to look at, sure. More enjoyable to cause though. kinda

But do continue with this hilarity. Maybe I'll get a few profileworthy moments from your cerebral palsy-caused mental spasms.👆

Edit: Lucifer wins btw, in case you didn't get the memo before.🙂

Originally posted by ODG
I'm sorry I managed to throw your attempt to escape this conversation back at you in such a stinging manner, you felt compelled to slink back. Not like that wasn't completely the point.

Oh don't worry, if a mod closes this thread or warns us both from replying to each other, then *edit: continues in next post* I'll simply take the convo to the PMs

Originally posted by Epicurus
Double-edged sword. That one sure got me laughin'.

Maybe because the term "deconstruct" is one whose meaning you don't even know? Take a day to get your head together. At the point, maybe you could begin to make even head or toe of this discussion.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, genius.

Wait... didn't you just a second ago accuse me of being unoriginal? Have you lost all self-awareness?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, he didn't. There was still 1.25% of the multiverse left. Creating something from a pre-existing thing isn't the same as creating something from nothing.

Focus, you incurable moron.duster

... wow, you just fell straight into that one spectacularly. srsly

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes, and a half-dead Lucifer killed Michael who still had enough power to destroy the entirety of the multiverse. Of course we aren't. We're comparing an exhausted SuperHerc to a near-dead Lucy who killed Michael and then tanked Elaine's multiversal kaboom, and then guided her on how to forge a multiverse three different times.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not angry

Originally posted by ODG
Was this supposed to be a comeback?

Wait... didn't you just a second ago accuse me of being unoriginal? Have you lost all self-awareness?

Originally posted by ODG
And Lucifer designed the multiverse from a burgeoning demiurgic power...

... wow, you just fell straight into that one spectacularly.

Originally posted by ODG

Inventing imaginary facts isn't a method of argumentation I would encourage.

Anyways, I accept your blatant concession with the warmest of regards. 👆

Originally posted by Epicurus
I haven't, but you certainly did at least 3 posts ago.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Which is pretty much what I said in the previous replies. But thanks for pointing the obvious out again, Captain Obvious.

Do you really not understand the import of what you just admitted to?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Imaginary facts? What the fuck are you talking about? What's imaginary about a half-dead Lucifer killing Michael or the very same half-dead Lucifer tanking the demiurgic power going kaboom in his face a second time when it got transferred to Elaine, or that he guided the noob Elaine in building a multiverse 3 different times before she got it right? The answer is; nothing whatsoever.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Anyways, I accept your blatant concession with the warmest of regards. 👆

Thomas who takes a swirling Earth-level mass of matter and takes a few minutes to turn it into a fully stable Earth OR William who takes a remaining 1.25% Earth mass and instantly restores it to a fully stable Earth? Then reconsider Thomas' power in relation to a third character, Justin, who dominated the ever-loving crap out of William in pure power.

In case you're buffoonish act can't/won't connect the dots, Thomas is Lucifer, William is Supergod Hercules and Justin is Chaos King. This really is all that simple. How much further can you keep this absurdity up? Your bluster, your strawmans, your butthurt, your deflections aren't working, pal. Unfortunately, your bias for this character and your own oafishness has gotten you into this mess. Would this tragedy of a discussion get worse for you if I started disproving the multiversality of Lucifer's feat?

It's really hard to imagine how much more absurd you'll become. Because this is as bad as anything I can recall.

I'm curious enough to try an experiment now. Will actively disproving the multiversality of Lucifer's feat make you more crazy-jane insane or would it actually knock some much-needed sense into you? Hmm. Let's try it out in increments:

We'll start out with self-explanatory scans first of the actual feat. This, all before I completely deconstruct the unholy alchemy of reverse-projecting/inflating you tried to force with Elaine, Michael and Lucifer several times removed from the actual feat in question.

Originally posted by ODG
You're not even trying anymore. And you haven't even realized how you've just completely gutted your argument that Lucifer is more powerful than Chaos King. I'm not even sure this absentmindedness is an act or legitimate. If it were an act, I'd call it just you running away from the consequences of your own statements, again. If it's legitimate, I'd say you've really lost all focus.

Do you really not understand the import of what you just admitted to? I like how you removed your overuse of "multiverse" from everything you just said. Needed one more to be removed. But thanks for punctuating my point. Who's more powerful:

Thomas who takes a swirling Earth-level mass of matter and takes a few minutes to turn it into a fully stable Earth OR William who takes a remaining 1.25% of a consumed Earth and instantly restores it to a fully stable Earth? Then reconsider Thomas' power in relation to Justin who dominated the ever-loving crap out of William.

In case you're buffoonish act can't connect the dots, Thomas is Lucifer, William is Supergod Hercules and Justin is Chaos King. This really is all that simple. How much further can you keep this absurdity up?

Do you really not understand that I admitted nothing? My stance has been exactly the same throughout the last 2 pages of this discussion, your failed comprehension of it notwithstanding.

Lawl, this puts Phil's 'balloons and tanks' argument(which you so fondly reminisced about in a previous reply) to shame. Not to mention that this retarded analogy(comparing people with godlike reality manipulating powers to simple planetary matter manipulators lol) is incomplete; William lost his power after restoring the remaining 1.25%, while Thomas took a whole comic series worth of time to consume said 98.75% chunk of the Earth-sized mass to begin with. Your case would sound slightly more reasonable if you also pointed out that the "earth-sized mass of matter" in Thomas' case was a planet-destroying singularity which could bust up the Earth completely(not random percentages, but full-on obliteration) were it not wielded by Thomas without any ill-effect to his own person whatsoever and shaped in a fully-functioning Earth.

There, your awful analogy was swiftly swept under the rug and decimated with my spot-on answer.

Originally posted by ODG

Your bluster, your strawmans, your butthurt, your deflections aren't working, pal. Unfortunately, your bias for this character and your own oafishness has gotten you into this mess. Would this tragedy of a discussion get worse for you if I started disproving the multiversality of Lucifer's feat?

It's really hard to imagine how much more absurd you'll become. Because this is as bad as anything I can recall.

Originally posted by ODG
I'm curious enough to try an experiment now. Will actively disproving the multiversality of Lucifer's feat make you more crazy-jane insane or would it actually knock some much-needed sense into you? Hmm. Let's try it out in increments:

We'll start out with self-explanatory scans first of the actual feat. This, all before I completely deconstruct the unholy alchemy of reverse-projecting/inflating you tried to force with Elaine, Michael and Lucifer several times removed from the actual feat in question.

But still, go ahead and give your best shot, champ. And I'll take your faux-deconstruction, cut it into tiny little pieces and then wash it down the drain to where it belongs.::up

Originally posted by ODG
I like how you removed your overuse of "multiverse" from everything you just said. Needed one more to be removed. But thanks for unintentionally punctuating my point. Totally graceful, your editing is not. Another subpar quaneuver.

One things for sure, using quanchi's name is our community's version of invoking Hitler/Nazis.

^Well, he's established such a reputation across nearly every forum on Killermovies.com.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Point out exactly how have I gutted my argument that Lucifer's feat is more impressive than CK's, and then we'll talk. I have provided ample reasons so far, each and everyone of which have been partially addressed by you, and in more than one instance you butchered my stance to suit your quan-style argument(I wouldn't be surprised if he actually hacked your account today and is typing this drivel which I normally wouldn't expect out of you).

All your pointless semantics over ex nihilo creation have only highlighted why Supergod' Hercules' feat is more impressive from a standpoint of relative power than Lucifer's. Yes, creating from purely nothing is more impressive than creating from 1.25% of something. But creating/molding from 1.25% of something to its 100% restoration is far more impressive than simply molding 100% of existing matter. Because Supergod Herc created/molded, and Lucifer merely molded. Who's more powerful, Human Torch or Pyro? The guy who both generates and manipulates heat, or the guy who cannot generate heat and only manipulates existing heat?

I mean, zopzop was slapping you in the face before with this fact in this thread, but I guess it must have chafed so much you blocked it out like trauma. And you chased your tail so much, trying to yip-yap your way into relevance, you ended up running your face back towards the same wall.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Do you really not understand that I admitted nothing?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Lawl, this puts Phil's 'balloons and tanks' argument(which you so fondly reminisced about in a previous reply) to shame. Not to mention that this retarded analogy(comparing people with godlike reality manipulating powers to simple planetary matter manipulators lol) is incomplete; William lost his power after restoring the remaining 1.25%, while Thomas took a whole comic series worth of time to consume said 98.75% chunk of the Earth-sized mass to begin with.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Your case would sound slightly more reasonable if you also pointed out that the "earth-sized mass of matter" in Thomas' case was a planet-destroying singularity

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not sure exactly what that scan is supposed to prove, or how exactly does it "deconstruct"(I don't get your fetish for the word) the so-called "unholy alchemy"(lawl at you coining that term) of Elaine/Lucifer/Michael's feat(s).

Still pretending you can't see it?

Originally posted by Epicurus
But still, go ahead and give your best shot, champ. And I'll take your faux-deconstruction, cut it into tiny little pieces and then wash it down the drain to where it belongs.::up

Trolls, like babies, sometimes need to be spoon-fed, after all.

Originally posted by ODG
Wow, you did miss it. Man, you went full retard here.

Originally posted by ODG

All your pointless semantics over ex nihilo creation have only highlighted why Supergod' Hercules' feat is more impressive from a standpoint of relative power than Lucifer's. Yes, creating from purely nothing is more impressive than creating from 1.25% of something. But creating/molding from 1.25% of something to its 100% restoration is far more impressive than simply molding 100% of existing matter. Because Supergod Herc created/molded, and Lucifer merely molded. Who's more powerful, Human Torch or Pyro? The guy who both generates and manipulates heat, or the guy who cannot generate heat and only manipulates existing heat?

I mean, zopzop was slapping you in the face before with this fact in this thread, but I guess it must have chafed so much you blocked it out like trauma. And you chased your tail so much, trying to yip-yap your way into relevance, you ended up running your face back towards the same wall.

Creating something from 1.25% of "ruins" of a previous creation and having your artifact-juiced powers removed in the process is clearly less impressive than creating something even greater from a volatile powersource which, in anyone else's hands would be the equivalent of a child trying to mess with the innards of a nuclear reactor.

Supergod Herc "restored" the damage done, and he lost his powers in the process. The very same damage which the CK took a whole arc to cause in the first place.

Lawl at you bringing up zopzop though. While the current and previous usernames do highlight the mental defectiveness you co clearly suffer from, Irony should definitely be your next username.

Originally posted by ODG

Yea, you did. When you kept on focusing how creating from nothing is more impressive than creating from something. Supergod Hercules only had 1.25% of a devastated multiverse to work with. Lucifer had the full 100% demiurgic power (which equals a multiverse) to work with. So who is more powerful? Keep avoiding the simple import of your boneheadedness.

Originally posted by ODG

Holy sh1t, you're still trying to argue this thread's discussion revolves around Lucifer vs Chaos King (before he ate the multiverse)? Jebus H. Christ. This is too stupid to be a quaneuver. It's an insult to quaneuvers, even.

Originally posted by ODG

Dumb-ass, demiurgic power is creation energy. So stop pretending like it doesn't actually create. Go ahead and butcher your own credibility and reasoning in this thread with your butthurt. Don't insult yourself by butchering the story in the comics with your tedium just to feel vindicated over your needless butthurt.

Originally posted by ODG
Let's make it bigger then:

Still pretending you can't see it? Simple English is simple English. So let's keep spoon-feeding you:

Trolls, like babies, sometimes need to be spoon-fed, after all.

If this counts as a "deconstruction" in your dictionary, then it's pretty clear that it's definitely not the English dictionary. 😂

But anyways, this scan clearly puts a hole in this awful theory of yours that his creation was just a universe(you've opened a Pandora's box here with this silly argument anyways):

Originally posted by Epicurus
Projecting again, are we? Don't confuse yourself with me.

What pointless semantics? And they haven't highlighted SuperHerc's alleged superiority at all, no matter how much you want to pretend that is the case.

Creating something from 1.25% of "ruins" of a previous creation and having your artifact-juiced powers removed in the process is clearly less impressive than creating something even greater from a volatile powersource which, in anyone else's hands would be the equivalent of a child trying to mess with the innards of a nuclear reactor.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Supergod Herc "restored" the damage done, and he lost his powers in the process. The very same damage which the CK took a whole arc to cause in the first place.

Lawl at you bringing up zopzop though. While the current and previous usernames do highlight the mental defectiveness you co clearly suffer from, Irony should definitely be your next username.

Maybe your butthurt's not with me, but with zopzop for so clearly making this point to you before. A fact that you haven't done anything to overturn. Lucifer did not create a multiverse. He molded a convenient explosion of demiurgic energies into a new universe, with a powerset specifically designed for it. Supergod Hercules used his own personal power to do what he did, which was restore the multiverse instantly, 98.75% of which had been absorbed by Chaos King and lost.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No, I didn't. now you're straight up lying. I pointed out how Creatio Ex Nihilo is Lucifer's only limitation, and what Supergod herc did was certainly not Creatio Ex Nihilo. I see that all bumbling about was for nothing, since you've finally come to accept that Herc restored everything from 1.25% of a devastated multiverse, while Lucifer had to rely on a dangerous, creation-razing energy source, whose explosion he also tanked right to the face. Lucifer is clearly more powerful, as the feats themselves show us(not that you could actually ever come to such a conclusion, suffering from cerebral palsy and all).

And here's where Lucifer takes eons to mold his universe. He set up the rules of time after all, being that universe's "god":

Good job trying to misrepresent what Lucifer did on pretty much every aspect of it. Apparently, the feat on it's own two feet isn't good enough for you. You have to lie about it and butcher it to pieces. Sometimes I wonder whether you actually are a fan of the character and his stories.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Why do you have to repeatedly emphasize the fact that you are a fully-functioning retard

Originally posted by Epicurus
Dumb-ass, the demiurgos only creates in a void bereft of all matter/life. If exposed within an already existing creation, it threatens to wipe it out said creation:

Originally posted by Epicurus
Again, not sure what exactly are you trying to prove by spamming this thread with those respect-thread leeched scans which I have seen before.

If this counts as a "deconstruction" in your dictionary, then it's pretty clear that it's definitely not the English dictionary. 😂

But anyways, this scan clearly puts a hole in this awful theory of yours that his creation was just a universe(you've opened a Pandora's box here with this silly argument anyways):
http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/TheGodKiller666/media/lucifer_multiverse_dimensions_zps55dc8320.png.html

More scans that spell out what Lucifer did, because direct proof of the scope of Lucifer's feat somehow is less meaningful to you from an evidentiary perspective than your butchering of simple English and twisting of loaded terms like "dimensions":

But please, your abject denial of the obvious only demonstrates how incurably hypocritical and biased you are once you've picked a favorite character and someone starts sh1tting all over your pointless attempts to over-inflate him.

Originally posted by ODG
That volatile powersource is pure creative energy. And part of Lucifer's specific powerset was molding that energy. Indeed, he already did so once under God's direction before. So stop butchering the roles Michael and Lucifer played for God. Acting like Lucifer wasn't created for he sole purpose of molding the demiurgic energy is just a sad attempt at lying about one of his defining traits as a comic book character.

Originally posted by ODG

Supergod Herc restored 98/75% of the multiverse instantly. And he was weaker at his peak than Chaos King at his peak, who had absorbed 98.75% of the multiverse. Obvious ploy is obvious. You just can't stand accepting the fact that nobody is fooled into believing this thread involves a weaker Chaos King before he arguably devoured the multiverse. That you would try to cloud the conversation with me was a massive miscalculation on your part. I'll keep pointing out how off-base you are.

Maybe your butthurt's not with me, but with zopzop for so clearly making this point to you before. A fact that you haven't done anything to overturn. Lucifer did not create a multiverse. He molded a convenient explosion of demiurgic energies into a new universe, with a powerset specifically designed for it. Supergod Hercules used his own personal power to do what he did, which was restore the multiverse instantly, 98.75% of which had been absorbed by Chaos King and lost.

And here I thought that you were capable of even the slightest bit of shame and wouldn't dare bring up zop's name again. Because honestly, you trying to hide behind zop's skirts after the utter carcrash that you underwent at my hands just removes any and all doubt I had as to how low you're willing to stoop in order to even try and retain some semblance of dignity here.

Originally posted by ODG

I'm sorry your jealous, seeing as how you're a half-functioning retard whose only abilities are spelling, lying, and butthurt. Good thing Lucifer wasn't in an existing creation and good thing Lucifer was created to mold those demiurgic energies, unlike other beings. So thanks for pointing out nothing that saves your attempt to misinterpret the comic.

In the meantime, get back to me when you figure out how to even properly utilize the KMC quote function.🙂

Originally posted by ODG
Moron is moronic. Lucifer did what he did with someone else's energy over eons (yeah, eons, see below for more of your lies exposed) -- energy which on its on could constitute 100% of a self-contained unvierse, energy which he was created to manipulate. Weakened Supergod Hercules did what he did instantly with his own power, a personal power which was enough to constitute 98.75% of the multiverse and repair the remaining 1.25%. And he was still well below Chaos King in power, the actual character Lucifer's being pitted against.

And here's where Lucifer takes eons to mold his universe. He set up the rules of time after all, being that universe's "god":

Good job trying to misrepresent what Lucifer did on pretty much every aspect of it. Apparently, the feat on it's own two feet isn't good enough for you. You have to lie about it and butcher it to pieces. Sometimes I wonder whether you actually are a fan of the character and his stories.

Because that is exactly what you just did here; post the scan which literally confirms my claim that in real-time, Lucifer took a few minutes to forge the entirety of his creation. Never have I come across someone who would be dumb enough to dig their own grave by posting a scan which validates their opponent's claim. Which is exactly what you did here.

On that note, concession accepted, brolio.🙂