Originally posted by leonidas
oh yeah, i recall some bloody battles being waged in an old galactus vs odin thread where i said that odin would def stand a chance against galactus and sooooo many cried BS, that g would absorb odin or just crush him like a flea.
Originally posted by leonidas😂
lolthat would only ADD to odin's esteem. it could only help the old man if it was said the celestials had to merge to take him out. 👆
and kudos to you for NOT going with the predictable head-butt rebuttal.....
In all seriousness, I think a battle between Odin and a Celestial would result in pretty much the exact same outcome that we saw when he battled Galactus. Odin would be powerful enough to give a Celestial one hell of a fight, but not powerful enough to win. In the end Odin would be incapacitated while the Celestial would self-repair all damaged sustained, and proceed with his day.
Originally posted by leonidas
pfft. just own it and be done.
Here found the Galactus/Watcher comparison:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4751/celestialsgalactuswatch.jpg
Plus, I also had a debate some time back with a guy who told me that it was revealed in later issues that Odin was indeed weakened due to a whole host of reasons(the loss of his eye, staying on Earth for long etc), but he didn't produce any scans to back up this claim, so I took it with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂In all seriousness, I think a battle between Odin and a Celestial would result in pretty much the exact same outcome that we saw when he battled Galactus. Odin would be powerful enough to give a Celestial one hell of a fight, but not powerful enough to win. In the end Odin would be incapacitated while the Celestial would self-repair all damaged sustained, and proceed with his day.
sounds about right. be interesting to see that book redone today. thor in that destroyer armor would be cool to revisit. that scene with the 3 skyfathers not even SCRATCHING arishem really was pretty humiliating though. 😂 such a departure from how things were sort of understood up til that time.
i'd love to see odin redeemed a little bit though.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
From what I recall, the writer of that comic went into apologist mode and made all sorts of excuses for the skyfathers low performance, ranging from how the Celestials were the new be all end all powers of the MU(above the likes of Watcher and Galactus), or how Odin and the rest of the skyfathers were weakened due to their extended stay on Earth.Here found the Galactus/Watcher comparison:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4751/celestialsgalactuswatch.jpgPlus, I also had a debate some time back with a guy who told me that it was revealed in later issues that Odin was indeed weakened due to a whole host of reasons(the loss of his eye, staying on Earth for long etc), but he didn't produce any scans to back up this claim, so I took it with a grain of salt.
huh. cool. 👆
makes sense since it was such a departure as i said. it really upset a lot of people and some of the status quo, cosmologically speaking.... and not in a good way, imo.
more recently it has been intimated that odin is also a peer to the likes of the watcher (who in a recent what if killed galactus when he visited earth) and even dormammu. i think he was shown to be (or intimated to be) above mephisto who we've seen on par powerwise with galactus.
i actually like the way the cosmology is heading. these types of guys should all be pretty close, imo. makes things more interesting, adds a little bit of freedom to writers as well. the constant cosmic battle threads will never stop, and people will always cry about their fave being more powerful, but i think in general it can finally be born out (and i'll take credit for saying it first if you and galan won't! 😛 ) is that under a given writer ANY of these type of beings can win or logically battle one another. PIS really isn't required to explain things away. they really are just in the same overall class, with a few minor differences. least imo.
@galan--who is that in your avatar and what's the deal with your sig? you doing some reed-style math in the firehouse when you're not saving people's lives?? 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
huh. cool. 👆makes sense since it was such a departure as i said. it really upset a lot of people and some of the status quo, cosmologically speaking.... and not in a good way, imo.
more recently it has been intimated that odin is also a peer to the likes of the watcher (who in a recent what if killed galactus when he visited earth) and even dormammu. i think he was shown to be (or intimated to be) above mephisto who we've seen on par powerwise with galactus.
i actually like the way the cosmology is heading. these types of guys should all be pretty close, imo. makes things more interesting, adds a little bit of freedom to writers as well. the constant cosmic battle threads will never stop, and people will always cry about their fave being more powerful, but i think in general it can finally be born out (and i'll take credit for saying it first if you and galan won't! 😛 ) is that under a given writer ANY of these type of beings can win or logically battle one another. PIS really isn't required to explain things away. they really are just in the same overall class, with a few minor differences. least imo.
@galan--who is that in your avatar and what's the deal with your sig? you doing some reed-style math in the firehouse when you're not saving people's lives?? 🙂
Just a couple things that happened here for some context
Galactus killed a Watcher with one shot in Annihilation
Odin has always been a peer to Dorm, though he has his highs, and his lows, it's more of a Dorm feat than an Odin feat IMO
Galactus fought Mephisto when he was about to feed. And Surfer feared it'd threaten the entire universe... Up there with the retcon Mephisto dropped on 616
Plus, the whole Odinbutt was like a full force attack to Galactus who was standing still not doing shit, and he still ruined Odin's day
Don't know if that puts them close, but it shows Odin can damage him if Galactus isn't moving, or shielding himself srug
Also, that's Madman. He beat Mr Mxy in a game of twister (been a while since I read it)
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Just a couple things that happened here for some contextGalactus killed a Watcher with one shot in Annihilation
Odin has always been a peer to Dorm, though he has his highs, and his lows, it's more of a Dorm feat than an Odin feat IMO
Galactus fought Mephisto when he was about to feed. And Surfer feared it'd threaten the entire universe... Up there with the retcon Mephisto dropped on 616
Plus, the whole Odinbutt was like a full force attack to Galactus who was standing still not doing shit, and he still ruined Odin's day
Don't know if that puts them close, but it shows Odin can damage him if Galactus isn't moving, or shielding himself srugAlso, that's Madman. He beat Mr Mxy in a game of twister (been a while since I read it)
true with the watcher, but quasar also battled one. uatu is either more powerful than most, or the others job? and it was uatu in that what if who killed galactus. not canon, obviously, but still, speaks to how watchers are or can be perceived imo.
mephisto has some boss feats for sure. 👆
not sure i buy the headbutt=full force odin attack. i find it inexplicable tbh. but it did drop g for a bit though obviously odin was the worse after it. had they traded punches or blasts i think it might have gone differently. i say they're in a similar class the way i'd say hulk and thor or jonn and superman are in similar classes in terms of strength. one will win out in the end most of the time, but it would be close each time. g is higher than odin. just not a lot higher, imo and i'd not be shocked to see odin pull a win in asgard with his weapons. i think the zeus blast that ko'd g (how much zeus was amped is still up for debate i know) adds at least SOME credence to that idea imo.
and madman, eh? cool. never read it. worth checking out?
and after your prodding, i dug into the fantastic four. nearing issue 600 then i'll check out the other series you said. f4 or ff or f....this? lol
Originally posted by leonidasQuasa's got feats where he blew up Thanos with the IG's head...
true with the watcher, but quasar also battled one. uatu is either more powerful than most, or the others job? and it was uatu in that what if who killed galactus. not canon, obviously, but still, speaks to how watchers are or can be perceived imo.mephisto has some boss feats for sure. 👆
not sure i buy the headbutt=full force odin attack. i find it inexplicable tbh. but it did drop g for a bit though obviously odin was the worse after it. had they traded punches or blasts i think it might have gone differently. i say they're in a similar class the way i'd say hulk and thor or jonn and superman are in similar classes in terms of strength. one will win out in the end most of the time, but it would be close each time. g is higher than odin. just not a lot higher, imo and i'd not be shocked to see odin pull a win in asgard with his weapons. i think the zeus blast that ko'd g (how much zeus was amped is still up for debate i know) adds at least SOME credence to that idea imo.
and madman, eh? cool. never read it. worth checking out?
and after your prodding, i dug into the fantastic four. nearing issue 600 then i'll check out the other series you said. f4 or ff or f....this? lol
Mephisto is currently with the Hell Lords trying to kill Tier in X-Factor. He smacked up like 4 Hell Lords at once and teleported away. Looks to be an entertaining series.
By Fraction the headbutt is apparently the ultimate force. And Odin was running into it too. Look what it did to Surfer, and Freyja managed to snap Thor out of his "heavy metal dick" phase with a butt.
It was one big kamikaze attack against Galactus doing nothing. Not really true of how a battle would go IMO.
In Chaos War, Galactus was teleported into that series as he was about to feed on a planet. Presumably after the Cancerverse War. So he was hungry there. He still managed to crack Chaos King amped Zeus all over with one shot, so there's that. Be more interesting if Chaos King and thousands of Gods weren't inside Zeus IMO
Interesting for sure. Goofy iirc, but fun.
Good, good. It will become especially sexy and creamy in due time
Future Foundation 12-16 to get the whole story of the Celestials.
I dont think Galactus vs Odin was a close fight.
Maybe in TP field is possible to argue Odin can stand a fight. But he was losing the TP fight, thats why he tried a Kamikaze attack with all he had.
If Silver Surfer, Thor or others heralds attacks another herald with ALL they have( even going KO because of the self attack), the another Herald would be VERY injuried(if not dead)
Galactus just rebuild his helmet and moved on. And i dont remember how well feed Galactus was, but it was not 4 planets for sure...
Cant see how this show they are in same class.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Be more interesting if Chaos King and thousands of Gods weren't inside Zeus IMO
Based on that showing though, regular Zeus would get merked by a similar blast like that from a starving Galactus.
Originally posted by kgkg
Not sure how the Galactus vs Odin fight suppose to make them close in level? It shows that Odin has the power to damage Galactus that's it.
the battle lasted nearly the full book. the tp battle was intended to show they were close--were g so much more powerful, why not get out of tp and just kill him? the headbutt was just.....the most idiotic thing i've ever seen in any battle. ever. imo the writer did intend to show the gap between the 2 was small, though g was the more powerful. put g in a different state of hunger, or put odin in asgard, and i wouldn't be at all surprised to see odin win that battle. meh, i guess it depends on your definition of close.
@bran--that's why i've never really liked quasar. 😄
the aaron/uatu battle was awesome! much respect for uatu there. aaron was a great villain.....
thye new mephisto arc sounds cool. great, one more thing to check out now.... the story i was cooking up for the writer challenge thing revolved around mephisto and the other hell lords incidentally.
the chaos king amp has always confused me. depending on who you believe the amp has been described as anything from huge to trivial. i hate vagaries. 😂 i think we both agree skyfathers are not as powerful as g, but i still think they are in the same overall class of power. maybe my levels are just bigger than yours... 😖hifty:
sexy and creamy eh? can't wait.
