Cosmic Cube Thanos vs Chaos King

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Odins battle with Seth had multiversal effects to.

Such feats are better than any 616 Celestial.

Mr Masters logic dictates then that we should perceive Odin as greater than the Celestials.

Odin and Seth did not affect the Multiverse in anyway whatsoever.

I have that silly encounter and it's been misconstrued for a while,
I handled it in a thread, I'll find it, post the truth.

Odin and Seth's battle destroyed some dead Galaxies and ignited some dead Stars if I'm not mistaken, that's about it.

The Multiverse line is mis-interpreted unlike in the Beyonder Owen
battle we're there is NO doubt the Multiverse and BEYOND was truly
affected, that even the Omniversal Time Variance Authority
had to come into the picture.

I believe it says, 'they shook the Fabric of the multiverse' in the Odin joint,
since their fight ONLY affected some dead Galaxies,
I took that as they shook Space-Time,
which is what the Fabric of Reality is made up of,
doesn't matter if it's a city, universe or multiverse,
so IMO, the writer meant as in what the "multiverse" is made up of (space-time)

Just sayin, based on the actual effects of their fight. (some dead galaxies & suns)

Nice ... but Beyond miniscule in comparison with what Beyonder & Owen did.

Mr. M did you see Breevort's comments regarding the whole HoM storyline and it's aftermath?

He basically stated that Wanda's warp affected only one reality and that reality no longer existed so she couldn't be held accountable for her actions.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M did you see Breevort's comments regarding the whole HoM storyline and it's aftermath?

He basically stated that Wanda's warp affected only one reality and
that reality no longer existed so she couldn't be held accountable for
her actions.

Otherwise it's what happened On panel and confirmed across several handbooks,
until retconned On Panel just as well.

@MrMaster: There was no "shut down" involved. I agree with some points he makes, while on some others I agree with you. I never read HoM in as much detail as you two, so I can't comment on the nearly half-decade old feud you both have regarding the effects of the Chaos Wave.

Spoiler:
Tbh though, I'd advice just let it go. This age old hostility won't help you in the long run. It's time to move on imo.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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Odin and Seth did not affect the Multiverse in anyway whatsoever.

I have that silly encounter and it's been misconstrued for a while,
I handled it in a thread, I'll find it, post the truth.

Odin and Seth's battle destroyed some dead Galaxies and ignited some dead Stars if I'm not mistaken, that's about it.

The Multiverse line is mis-interpreted unlike in the Beyonder Owen
battle we're there is NO doubt the Multiverse and BEYOND was truly
affected, that even the [b]Omniversal Time Variance Authority
had to come into the picture.

I believe it says, 'they shook the Fabric of the multiverse' in the Odin joint,
since their fight ONLY affected some dead Galaxies,
I took that as they shook Space-Time,
which is what the Fabric of Reality is made up of,
doesn't matter if it's a city, universe or multiverse,
so IMO, the writer meant as in what the "multiverse" is made up of (space-time)

Just sayin, based on the actual effects of their fight. (some dead galaxies & suns)

Nice ... but Beyond miniscule in comparison with what Beyonder & Owen did. [/B]

Missing the point completely.

I was never saying the battle between Seth and Odin matched the battle between the cube beings.

In fact i made a point of saying the skyfathers are lower in the hierarchy, however the point i was making is the fact that even skyfathers wield enough power to destroy matter on a universal scale:

or can unleash energies enough to have multiversal reaching effects:

"a massive shockwave that ripples across every plane of reality"

"I sense a massive upheaval that is tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse"

and yet skyfathers are below cube beings and below Galactus.

So my point is your ABC logic is very flawed.

Just because you wield enough power to destroy or manipulate matter on a universal scale, does not automatically put you on the same rung as Eternity or higher.

Just because cube beings can pull off feats of such a scale, your assumptions are wrong when they themselves tell you they are below Celestials:

and when Marvel tells you where they stand in the hierarchy:

I will say this once again.

It is only forum readers who need to see feats in order to make up a version of a hierarchy they are comfortable with. Marvel has told us the hierarchy within THEIR fictional universe, so your arrogance in telling us something different is off the charts. 😬

You can argue that they do not do a good job of reflecting this hierarchy they have defined, however what you can not do is fabricate your own hierarchy just because some generic cosmic types who rarely interact with the heroes on panel understandably have less feats or no feats in comparison to tools and characters who interact with the heroes on a regular basis.

You are just wrong.

You do not own these fictional properties im sorry to say. So you will have to learn to just go along with what they state is the case.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^^ Feats >> Hyperbolic and/or statements without substance.

Feats + Statements >>>>> Hyperbolic and/or statements without substance.

👆

I see now homie's using the "chaos wave"
to demean your shut down of his comparisons involving Odin. lol

But I guess the kid forgot that Wanda put everything back with a thought.

The Omniversal destruction,
the 616 Reality from the 58163 she had turned it into,
the 90% mutant gene nullification across all Timelines
save for literally a few that involved a stipulation.

We've already shared this info here at kmc so it's no surprise.
I've said it before as you know that the Chaos Wave wasn't Wanda's best feat,
it was "No more Mutants" that impressed most.

Although, regardless,
it WAS Wanda's power (chaos wave) that crashed the Omniverse,
and the Chaos Wave
(or "Wanda's Reality Warp"😉 as the FOUR official Handbooks label it)
was a spillage of her power flowing out of 616 and was unbelievably powerful.
Roma told us it was still traveling and eventually
perhaps to the "Ascension Itself" (still don't know what that is,
but obviously implies something beyond, beyond, especially coming from Her.

Remember, Meggan had absorbed all the power from Earth (minus Wanda)
and Otherworld (which includes the Starlight Citadel Nexus)
which leads to the Pan-DimensionS Otherworld is connected to,
and still with the power of all creation inside her,
she was only able to slow the wave down for a moment before it overwhelmed her.

Shut down?

I think youre forgetting my post on page 4 of this thread where i state for all to see:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

In Mighty Thor recently you had Odin channeling and redirecting energies collected by Surtur sufficient to blow up the multiverse through Otherworlds connection to all realities:

You stand corrected.

As for the Chaos Wave.

It was the leakage of Wandas power out of 616 into Otherworld through a tear in 616 located at the base of Excaliburs tower which was connected to Otherworld and all realities by the Phoenix Force:

Otherworld is connected to all realities in existence. As reiterated on panel recently in Thor, because of Otherworlds connection to all realities, destruction in Otherworld can result in a domino effect that is automatically cascaded to all other realities:

So in House of M, when the Chaos Wave leaked through the tear at the site of Excaliburs lighthouse it was unleashed into Otherworld and the issue made the point of stating (just like in Thor) that Otherworld is connected to all realities:

So when the Chaos Wave struck, it didnt effect the multiverse through sheer power, but instead because it happened to collide with Otherworld through the multiversal nexus that is Excaliburs lighthouse, triggering a domino effect that was passed on to other realities due to Otherworlds nature:

Heres a scan of Meagan tapping into power from "Beyond" in order to slow down the Chaos Wave long enough for Excalibur to seal the rift at the site of their lighthouse:

Mr Master, could you tell us all how from a couple of statements describing how Meagan tapped into some extra dimensional energies that you came up with this:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Meggan had absorbed all the power from Earth (minus Wanda)
and Otherworld (which includes the Starlight Citadel Nexus)
which leads to the Pan-DimensionS Otherworld is connected to,
and still with the power of all creation inside her,
she was only able to slow the wave down for a moment before it overwhelmed her

😖hifty:

Dont want to see a scan spammage. Point to one point WITHIN THAT SCENE that tells us that Meagan did all of that damn stuff, instead of just exactly what it says she did, she tapped into pan dimensional energies found beyond reality on the other side of the rift. 🙂

The reason youre fabricating Meagan absorbing all the energy of Earth and Otherworld to slow down the Chaos Wave is so that you can keep people fooled into believing the Chaos Wave was more powerful than it actually is.

Please show us all scans which state that Meagan absorbed all of that power to take on the Chaos Wave. I dont want a spammage coupled with your theories and assumptions from loads of different unrelated titles. Show us where in that scene, or even that whole issue it states Meagan did that INSTEAD of just tapping into the extra dimensional energies ambient on the other side of the rift 🙂

The Chaos Wave did so much damage ONLY because it collided with Otherworld through the lighthouse where the dimensional walls are weaker because it is a doorway to dimensions.

The fact that Meagan a generally sub herald character was able to stop it shows that in and of itself it wasnt amazingly powerful.

And thats the very reason why youve fabricated all of this stuff about Meagan, because you need her to be that powerful to support your exaggerated claims about the Chaos Wave.

It was very powerful, but as shown on panel if confronted it could be stopped with no intervention by any significant cosmic power necessary.

Can you guys cut the crap? Cosmic cubes are not above celestials. The MU writers love to **** up the damn writing so much you dont know who's above who. Pheonix force is making the universe then when it comes back its losing to the avengers. IF it lost to wanda then i guess i can understand. BUt thats still kinda a duex ex machina.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Can you guys cut the crap? Cosmic cubes are not above celestials. The MU writers love to **** up the damn writing so much you dont know who's above who. Pheonix force is making the universe then when it comes back its losing to the avengers. IF it lost to wanda then i guess i can understand. BUt thats still kinda a duex ex machina.

The bickering is unnecessary youre right, but after nearly 7 years it'll be hard to shift this dynamic we're caught in 😆

As long as scenes and statements are ignored, or incidents severely embellished to coincide with a preferred opinion on how things should be as opposed to what official sources say they actually are, then i'll object.

Thats just my way 😉

^^ LOL at the irony!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Missing the point completely.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

I was never saying the battle between Seth and Odin
matched the battle between the cube beings.

In fact i made a point of saying the skyfathers are lower in the
hierarchy, however the point i was making is the fact that even
skyfathers wield enough power to destroy matter on a universal scale:

Unless you have the scans where it happened, it's hyperbole
since there's nothing other to suggest that to be a possibility.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

or can unleash energies enough to have multiversal reaching effects:

"a massive shockwave that ripples across every plane of reality"

"I sense a massive upheaval that is tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse"

and yet skyfathers are below cube beings and below Galactus. [/B]

Oh boy, a "shockwave" which didn't damage a single timeline/universe.

An "upheaval tearing at the fabric" yada yada ... yet, not a sinle reality/dimension was damaged.

Buncha big talk ... buncha little to do.

Look at the rest of the comic homie, lest I post it for ya.

The biggest wow in the aftermath was some dead Galaxies were destroyed. sarcasticclap

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

So my point is your ABC logic is very flawed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Just because you wield enough power to destroy or manipulate matter on a
universal scale, does not automatically put you on the same rung as Eternity or
higher.

Also, Thanos/CCU didn't just manipulate matter on a cosmic scale,
Thanos literally became the Universe & everything he wanted to be in it ... God!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Just because cube beings can pull off feats of such a scale,
your assumptions are wrong when they themselves tell you they are below Celestials:

I'd agree that Cube beings may indeed be below Celestials.

Cosmic Containment Units are different story!

Beyonder evidently is a special case as well.

"In that moment I gained the powers ...

I was Everywhere ... and Everything ... and Everyone ...

In that moment, which is this moment. I remade all of creation."

Omniscience - Omnipresence - Omnipotence = Unrestricted Cosmic Containment Unit

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I've lately felt this is because Beyonder was nurtured improperly initially
thus the self imposed limitations work differently for him
as we've always seen it's a decision of his, unlike for the other Cube beings
who at self awareness have a set level of infinity. within them.

Imo.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

and when Marvel tells you where they stand in the hierarchy:

I will say this once again.

It is only forum readers who need to see feats in order to make up a version of a
hierarchy they are comfortable with. Marvel has told us the hierarchy within THEIR
fictional universe, so your arrogance in telling us something different is off the
charts.

You can argue that they do not do a good job of reflecting this hierarchy they have
defined, however what you can not do is fabricate your own hierarchy just because
some generic cosmic types who rarely interact with the heroes on panel
understandably have less feats or no feats in comparison to tools and characters
who interact with the heroes on a regular basis.

You are just wrong.

You do not own these fictional properties im sorry to say.
So you will have to learn to just go along with what they state is the case.

You were doing pretty good until your ass-like nature got the best of you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

is so that you can keep people fooled into believing the Chaos Wave was more powerful than it actually is.

Please show us all scans which state that Meagan absorbed all of
that power to take on the Chaos Wave. I dont want a spammage
coupled with your theories and assumptions from loads of different
unrelated titles. Show us where in that scene, or even that whole
issue it states Meagan did that INSTEAD of just tapping into the
extra dimensional energies ambient on the other side of the rift 🙂

The Chaos Wave did so much damage ONLY because it collided with
Otherworld through the lighthouse where the dimensional walls are weaker because it is a doorway to dimensions.

The fact that Meagan a generally sub herald character was able to
stop it shows that in and of itself it wasnt amazingly powerful.

And thats the very reason why youve fabricated all of this stuff
about Meagan, because you need her to be that powerful to support
your exaggerated claims about the Chaos Wave.

It was very powerful, but as shown on panel if confronted it could
be stopped with no intervention by any significant cosmic power necessary.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

As for the Chaos Wave.

It was the leakage of Wandas power out of 616 into Otherworld
through a tear in 616 located at the base of Excaliburs tower which
was connected to Otherworld and all realities by the Phoenix Force:

Otherworld is connected to all realities in existence. As reiterated
on panel recently in Thor, because of Otherworlds connection to all
realities, destruction in Otherworld can result in a domino effect that
is automatically cascaded to all other realities:

So in House of M, when the Chaos Wave leaked through the tear at
the site of Excaliburs lighthouse it was unleashed into Otherworld
and the issue made the point of stating (just like in Thor) that
Otherworld is connected to all realities:

So when the Chaos Wave struck, it didnt effect the multiverse
through sheer power, but instead because it happened to collide
with Otherworld through the multiversal nexus that is Excaliburs
lighthouse, triggering a domino effect that was passed on to other
realities due to Otherworlds nature:

I've been posting that understanding for over a year now.

Wanda's monster feat was "No more Mutants." And I already explained what that entails.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Heres a scan of Meagan tapping into power from "Beyond" in order to slow down the Chaos Wave long enough for Excalibur to seal the rift at the site of their lighthouse:

Mr Master, could you tell us all how from a couple of statements describing how Meagan tapped into some extra dimensional energies that you came up with this:

she tapped into [u]Pan Dimensional[/u] energies found beyond reality on the other side of the rift.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The reason youre fabricating Meagan absorbing all the energy of Earth
and Otherworld to slow down the Chaos Wave .

Oh well ...

Meggan can harness the Powers of The Beyond: (Otherworld)

Meggan draws energy from Both 616 Earth and Otherworld (a pan-dimensional actuality)

Meggan ... nigh-all powerful!

"She can claim The Pan-Dimensional Power of beyond for her own"

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For a long time in the past I thought this meant the power of the "BeyonderS."
That was wrong when I realized Meggan has no link to them.
It's the power of Otherworld she's intrinsically tied too I later learn through Cap.Brit titles,
and Earth as well btw.

Anyway, is there any evidence that Otherworld is a Pan-Dimensional Reality/Actuality/Realm?

Literally ... Pan Dimensional like what the Writer said about Meggan?

"The Pan-Dimensional Realm of Otherworld"

Of course we know its Pan-Dimensional cause its connected to All Realities.

Meggan took all of it,
and it wasn't enough to stall the Wave for more than a moment.

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thankyou

Anyway, I gotta workout now, so peace & love.

lol this guy wants us to believe he exercises XD

oops ... Didn't mean to bump this ... came looking for a scan here and posted it in error.

Disregard ....

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still NOTHING!

Let's see a Celestial performing a Universal feat.

Let's see a Celestial creating and/or destroying even a single universe.

Let's see a Celestial defeating someone who's even just universal.
(oops, universal Franky is killing Celestials)

Let's see a Celestial's mean something to even just the Universe.

hm

Aside from Scathan ... there is no Celestial that has done anything of cosmic significance.

While Cube beings and Containment Units have perfomred on a Universal level,
Multiversal level,
TRANS-Multiversal level,
and Omniversal level.

Next.

What about Tiamut?

...

Originally posted by DTM
Chaos King seemed to be an Eternity level character, a single cosmic cube even in Thanos' hands just wont have close to the level of power needed to defeat him.

Oblivion>CK

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
What about Tiamut?

😖hifty:

Originally posted by DTM
CK was virtually an Infinity Gauntlet level power, and IMHO, IG >>>>>>>> CC.

GTFO 😘