Midi-chlorian counts are conducted per cell, Vader's limb loss doesn't affect that.
Nihilus lacks a physical body, therefore lacks midi-chlorians, therefore cannot exist. As midi-chlorians are integral to life, let alone Force use, Nihilus is henceforth N-canon.
Or you can just accept that Starkiller has badass feats and move on with your life?
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Too bad others don't have that common sense knowledge.
Can't argue with the math.
I can believe that Vader's limb loss would affect his Force use because the Force is supposed to be manipulated only by living creatures and the presence of machinery would diminish that. (Or, as Luceno argues, the psychological scars Vader suffered as a result of his defeat.)
But his midi-chlorian count didn't drop.
Originally posted by heitoi_which
Midi-chlorian counts are conducted per cell, Vader's limb loss doesn't affect that.]
But hwo does you explain how weak he becomes after the incident and the fact that decades later he is sitll not half force user as someone like Yoda?
Nihilus lacks a physical body, therefore lacks midi-chlorians, therefore cannot exist. As midi-chlorians are integral to life, let alone Force use, Nihilus is henceforth N-canon.
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Or you can just accept that Starkiller has badass feats and move on with your life?
Not really TSA ain't touching Nihilus's drain or TK feets.
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Originally posted by heitoi_which
Can't argue with the math.
I can believe that Vader's limb loss would affect his Force use because the Force is supposed to be manipulated only by living creatures and the presence of machinery would diminish that. (Or, as Luceno argues, the psychological scars Vader suffered as a result of his defeat.)But his midi-chlorian count didn't drop.
Exactly!
The only reason that his Force powers would be stifled - if anything, is because he had to use the brunt of his Force power to lug around a suit weighing hundreds of pounds.
So that, second after second, day after day, would take up most of his energy.
There are an entirely different set of rules that govern the spirits bro, which is what Nihilus is. When a Force User dies their midi-chlorians get sent to somewhere powerful in the Force (like Korriban, Coruscant, Typon, Taris, mortis etc.) where they are reborn as a spirit. Their spirit is anchored to the exeus, which is where their midi-chlroains went, but because theyare no longer physical beings they are no longer bound by stuff like space, gravity, walls etc... hence they can travel the Galaxy at will.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
And Nihilus exists in the same way that Exar Kun did after he conducted that ritual that striped him of his mortal form.
I don't dispute that Nihilus exists. But a literally uncompromising viewpoint would conclude he doesn't, along with Kun, DE!Sidious, Ragnos, and any other Sith who persisted in spectral form. This was the reason why Lucas ultimately vetoed the inclusion of spirit!Bane and spirit!Revan in the Mortis Trilogy. Taken to its logical outcome, that's where DRP's argument sends us.
Originally posted by heitoi_which
I don't dispute that Nihilus exists. But a literally uncompromising viewpoint would conclude he doesn't, along with Kun, DE!Sidious, Ragnos, and any other Sith who persisted in spectral form. This was the reason why Lucas ultimately vetoed the inclusion of spirit!Bane and spirit!Revan in the Mortis Trilogy. Taken to its logical outcome, that's where DRP's argument sends us.
Why are you keep calling me that, and for what does it stand for?
Edit - Wait were Bane and Revan originally supposed to be one of the Ones on Mortis?
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Originally posted by Nephthys
I think you are overestimating how Marek compares to Sidious. He isn't nearly his equal. As the quote says, he's simply no match for him. This can be seen in the darkside ending where Sidious takes him down with insulting ease. Even his suicide explosion did nothing more than singe Sidious' robes.
Me overestimating? Out of curiosity I read his fight with Vader and Palpatine. Lucas stated that Vader is about 80% as powerful as Palpatine. And lets see what Marek did to him. When Vader started throwing objects, he successfully was blowing them away. When he tried to Force choke him, Marek successfully countered it with Force blast. Marek, also, overpowered him in lightsaber combat.
And then we have this:
"Vader prepared for combat again. His power over the apprentice, however, was gone. His lightsaber went skittering and sparking across the floor, twisted out of his grip by telekinesis. The Force wrenched him into the air, as he had once lifted the apprentice's father, and a barrage of missiles struck at him with increasing strength. He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued until, with a crash, the apprentice ripped the energy field generator in the center of the room right out of the floor and hurled it at his former Master."
He utterly Force handled Vader. He pulled his lightsaber away similarly to, when Yoda pulled Ventress' sabers. Restrained him and even was throwing objects at him.
Doesn't look like I overestimate him that much, such display shows that he was way above Vader.
The book, indeed lacks fight with Sidious, yet, from what I see between their struggle, Marek showed himself equal.
"Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain. Darkness threatened to envelop the apprentice's mind, but he clutched to consciousness with feverish will. He had to see this through. He had to."
Not only Marek experienced pain longer, than Palpatine. He still had strength to reach Palpatine and make him feel that pain too. And most important is that he still had strength to continue but decided to lower his defenses and sacrifice himself:
"No!" the apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials.
If he did not decide to sacrifice himself, there is a chance that he would have won. Sidious is indeed the most powerful Sith ever, however Marek at that point was Jedi and was driven by the lightside emotions, so if he had won, then Sidious would still remain the most powerful Sith ever and no contradiction with canon would occur.
All this evidence shows that he is at least nearly as powerful as Sidious and it can be argued that he is even above him.
You refer to encyclopedia but it is not the only source and in any case "no match" is a vague term to estimate how much he was below Palpatine. Also, JK's power was nowhere near Vitiate's either, yet, it didn't prevent him from cutting him down. So Marek still has chance defeating Vitiate and it doesn't look that this chance is small.
I must object: the game, its novel, and its graphic novel all made it pretty clear that Sidious wasn't seeking to kill Marek at all. He taunted him during their duel and, on his ass and supposedly beaten, tries to goad Marek into killing him. It's important to note that Starkiller is apparently aware of this and warns Kota that the Emperor is "stronger than you know" when Kota assures Marek that Sidious is beaten. When Marek relents, Sidious is enraged and attacks Kota, the bound, blind, and unarmed prisoner rather than the more obvious threat. When Marek intervenes on Kota's behalf, Sidious makes no move to kill Starkiller but apparently tries only to keep him at bay with Force lightning. When he's killed at the end of their confrontation, he is visibly disappointed: he wanted Marek to replace Vader.
The dark side ending shows what happened when Sidious stopped fvcking around, and even then Marek was spared.
Not saying it would be a complete curbstomp in Sidious's favor, but they're definitely not equals.
Arhael
So Marek still has chance defeating Vitiate and it doesn't look that this chance is small.
I gave you victory on the previous page. Merry Christmas. Marek stomps Vitiate.
Sidious makes no move to kill Starkiller but apparently tries only to keep him at bay with Force lightning.Hmm, what would be the move to kill Marek without lightsaber? I thought Force lightning is the deadliest power.
Hmm, I am surprised how analytic I became after lengthy argument with SW_LeGioN. 😄