Darth Vader (Peak Suit) Vs. Mace Windu

Originally posted by Arhael
Wrong. Windu invented Vaapad because he couldn't change his state of mind on first place. He couldn't become pure avatar of light like Yoda.

And as I said you can't use Vaapad and draw on love for somebody simultaniously. You can't think about CoD3 and your girlfriend. You need to choose. If you think about CoD3, you might get pissed off at remembering how you couldn't complete a level. Likewise, if you think about girlfriend, you might remember how she wasn't letting you to play CoD3 and still get pissed off.

Could Kenobi predict that Maul will taunt him? No. He failed to maintain his focus and started losing.

Whatever Jedi think about during combat, it doesn't guaranty to change or improve their state of mind, it's unpredictable. Jacen experience deepest known Oneness with the Force and he knew that he would never be able to experience it again.

Your logic fails within confines of SW.

Because of flaw in the Old Order system Anain had to keep his relationship with Padme secret and, when he started seeing bad dreams with her, he couldn't even share his problem with anyone. And because of that Sidous could influence him. Sidious tried to convince him that Jedi betraid republic but Anakin wasn't convinced and reported to Order. In that moment, when Sidious was at Windu's mercy, Anakin was still in doubt. He needed guidance in that moment. And Windu instead of showing good example, tried to kill defenceless opponent.

Finding easy solution IS the path of the darkside. And this is perfect example why. If Windu didn't try to kill Sidious, Anakin wouldn't need to attack him and wouldn't turn to the darkside. And even if Sidious escaped or took over goverment later, there would still be thee powerful Jedi alive: Yoda, Windu and Anakin(not Vader) himself. Anakin would fulfil the prophecy without becoming Vader.

Luke's quote to Sidious Empire's End: "I won’t fall into your trap, Palpatine. Death is not the answer for you. You are my prisoner".

Luke had the same choice to strike down defenceless Jacen years later but that could turn his son to darkside, so he didn't do that despite Jacen being clear danger to republic and to everything Luke stood for.

Anakin was telling Windu not to kill Sidious, yet, Windu ignored him and failed to sence confusion of young Jedi because darkside was clouding his mind. Darkside lures to take easier choice. Windu took the easiest choice and you know the consequences.

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Vapaad is a lightsaber style that is incredibly risky because one must actually enjoy the fight to fully utilize the form. Mace was in this state while ignoring Anakin's distraught mind. If he handled the situation like any other Jedi, Yoda, Obi-Wan, (not that obi wan would have put Sidious on the ground), They would have felt Anakin's conflicted state. Mace ignored the signs that Anakin was torn, and this was his undoing and ultimately the undoimg of the Republic he loved.

What is this?
I know what Vaapad is and what it truly does.
That's the difference between Mace and your over rated Vader suits
He's no ordinary Jedi.
Mace and Yoda were the TWO real Jedi that wanted to kill Sidious
and SAVE the Republic.

Your Boy the so called chosen one standing in the corner crying like a lil *****
about a woman HE ended up killing.

But he's bad a$$ right? then HE jumps at another REAL Jedi Master on the High Ground?
How stupid is that?

For the record Mace THOUGHT the lil cry baby was gonna help him kill
Sidious. Not pull a ***** move and side with the enemy because he's scared and confused.
His undoing was trusting this cry baby to do a man's job,

Which led to him using flunkies and other dark Jedi to do the killing which he took the credit
for.
The 501st killed most of the Jedi in the Temple not Vader.

Before you jump in this Vaapad business read some more threads before you hurt your self.
I just tell like it is and you got mad about...Vader. Out of all people.

I can see Yoda or Palpatine,heck the whole Star Wars Universe but Vader?
Dude check your facts calm down have a Coke and a Smile
I'm just having fun We're not getting paid to be here,,,,,RELAX

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Originally posted by juyomaster34
What is this?
I know what Vaapad is and what it truly does.
That's the difference between Mace and your over rated Vader suits
He's no ordinary Jedi.
Mace and Yoda were the TWO real Jedi that wanted to kill Sidious
and SAVE the Republic.

Your Boy the so called chosen one standing in the corner crying like a lil *****
about a woman HE ended up killing.

But he's bad a$$ right? then HE jumps at another REAL Jedi Master on the High Ground?
How stupid is that?

For the record Mace THOUGHT the lil cry baby was gonna help him kill
Sidious. Not pull a ***** move and side with the enemy because he's scared and confused.
His undoing was trusting this cry baby to do a man's job,

Which led to him using flunkies and other dark Jedi to do the killing which he took the credit
for.
The 501st killed most of the Jedi in the Temple not Vader.

Before you jump in this Vaapad business read some more threads before you hurt your self.
I just tell like it is and you got mad about...Vader. Out of all people.

I can see Yoda or Palpatine,heck the whole Star Wars Universe but Vader?
Dude check your facts calm down have a Coke and a Smile
I'm just having fun We're not getting paid to be here,,,,,RELAX

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It's a good thread and a good topic I proved what I said. I'm over it.
I'm just having fun.

He did feel his confused state that's why he told the lil boy
to WAIT IN THE COUNCILS' CHAMBERS until he returns .

I sense a great deal of confusion in you SkyWalker that has Clouded your Judgement.
I rest my case with Vader and Mace........NEXT!!!!! 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Look. Vader became much more in control after he got put in the suit and learned what being a Sith Lord is all about. I agree that anakin was a whiny *****, but that doesn't mean Vader is. The ONLY TIME he gets angry in the OT is when he is over his homeworld on the Tantive IV. The book "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader" explains that he was angry because he was over Tatooine. But keep thinking that Vader sucks and is weak. I will like Vader and you will like Mace. That's fine. We are all friends here like you said.

I read that , Vader's OK but I have a problem with the way they told his story.
We're friends You made a good thread and a good topic.
I did like Vader at one point Luke,too but the stories the bio's .

Any way I might like them again someday.
Good points you made on those threads, Shadow you cool,man...
Keep fighting in these debates, it's fun to see what everybody likes
and defend to the end. it's fun no disrespect Intended. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Arhael
Wrong. Windu invented Vaapad because he couldn't change his state of mind on first place. He couldn't become pure avatar of light like Yoda.

And as I said you can't use Vaapad and draw on love for somebody simultaniously. You can't think about CoD3 and your girlfriend. You need to choose. If you think about CoD3, you might get pissed off at remembering how you couldn't complete a level. Likewise, if you think about girlfriend, you might remember how she wasn't letting you to play CoD3 and still get pissed off.

Could Kenobi predict that Maul will taunt him? No. He failed to maintain his focus and started losing.

Whatever Jedi think about during combat, it doesn't guaranty to change or improve their state of mind, it's unpredictable. Jacen experience deepest known Oneness with the Force and he knew that he would never be able to experience it again.

Your logic fails within confines of SW.

Because of flaw in the Old Order system Anain had to keep his relationship with Padme secret and, when he started seeing bad dreams with her, he couldn't even share his problem with anyone. And because of that Sidous could influence him. Sidious tried to convince him that Jedi betraid republic but Anakin wasn't convinced and reported to Order. In that moment, when Sidious was at Windu's mercy, Anakin was still in doubt. He needed guidance in that moment. And Windu instead of showing good example, tried to kill defenceless opponent.

Finding easy solution IS the path of the darkside. And this is perfect example why. If Windu didn't try to kill Sidious, Anakin wouldn't need to attack him and wouldn't turn to the darkside. And even if Sidious escaped or took over goverment later, there would still be thee powerful Jedi alive: Yoda, Windu and Anakin(not Vader) himself. Anakin would fulfil the prophecy without becoming Vader.

Luke's quote to Sidious Empire's End: "I won’t fall into your trap, Palpatine. Death is not the answer for you. You are my prisoner".

Luke had the same choice to strike down defenceless Jacen years later but that could turn his son to darkside, so he didn't do that despite Jacen being clear danger to republic and to everything Luke stood for.

Anakin was telling Windu not to kill Sidious, yet, Windu ignored him and failed to sence confusion of young Jedi because darkside was clouding his mind. Darkside lures to take easier choice. Windu took the easiest choice and you know the consequences.

OK Slow down Padawan!!!
Who cares what Anakin was saying Sidious needed to DIE!!!
End of Story.
Who cares about Luke and Jacen A SITH IS NEVER DEFENSELESS!!!!

There was NO EASY CHOICE!!!
Palpatine was the Sith Lord they were looking for!!!
He had control over the WHOLE republic!!!

Arresting him would solve nothing!!!
Anakin wanted to save him for one reason only: POWER!!!!
Forget Pade'me he almost choked her to death.
This Luke crap logic is getting real old

I proved you can change your state of mind,
right now I'm thinking kicking a$$ in AC3
writing my reply to this thread and eating a fish plate from Capt. D's .

Vaapad is Half light Half dark
I didn't say Mace wanted to change his State of Mind.
I SAID you can have a different SOM using it.
Examples Depa Sora Quinlan Vos.

You're using both Light and Dark Sides of the Force
Not just the Dark Side.
Example He loved Depa enough to NOT KILL her.
He tried with all his might to restrain himself from killing her.

Now tell me that ain't love?
You got to be Luke Sky Walker for these types of emotion,right?
Luke and crew are NOT logically correct or worthy to lead the new Jedi Order!!!

He went after Depa because He was the ONLY ONE who could bring her in
without any body getting killed. The emotion he felt?!

He couldn't use that as fuel for Vaapad?
Only Anakin and Luke,right?

Vaapad uses emotions!!!
They give Vaapad its Power!!!
When there is nothing around to draw power from you turn within
To that Mental Forge of all those emotions images like Anakin's

Images of the Sand people ,his life as a slave, his failures etc.
Mace,any body that wields Juyo or Vaapad does the same thing
The Only difference is Mastery of Control not the loss of it .

So you see if blinded by rage you can't change any thing
But if you are in Control & Focused then Padawan you can move Mountains!!!!
Vaapad doesn't use rage not full blown blind rage any way.

Everything with Form VII is about Control,Victory,and Skill.
You're Luke SkyWalker mumbo jumbo won't work with this thread.
So you're still wrong Padawan.

Mace's state of mind is always wanting to win
but his approach is very different,unpredictable and in sync with his mind set
Just because you CAN'T multitask mentally doesn't mean I can't....Padawan.

To put this thread to bed finally and in closing
You can change your state of mind
You can use love. It can make you do crazy things(Ask Anakin )
You saw what love did to him and why both Jedi and Sith abandon it for other emotions.
Read Path of the Jedi
Book of Sith
Hell , your own thread on Jedi attachments
Even better Mace's attachments to Depa, it almost got him killed.
I rest my case your SkyWalker logic is flawed It doesn't stand up to anything I said.
But only in your mind Padawan you're still the learner and I AM THE MASTER

Vaapad mastered you!!!!!

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Originally posted by juyomaster34
OK Slow down Padawan!!!
Who cares what Anakin was saying Sidious needed to DIE!!!
End of Story.
Who cares about Luke and Jacen A SITH IS NEVER DEFENSELESS!!!!

There was NO EASY CHOICE!!!
Palpatine was the Sith Lord they were looking for!!!
He had control over the WHOLE republic!!!

Arresting him would solve nothing!!!
Anakin wanted to save him for one reason only: POWER!!!!
Forget Pade'me he almost choked her to death.
This Luke crap logic is getting real old

I proved you can change your state of mind,
right now I'm thinking kicking a$$ in AC3
writing my reply to this thread and eating a fish plate from Capt. D's .

Vaapad is Half light Half dark
I didn't say Mace wanted to change his State of Mind.
I SAID you can have a different SOM using it.
Examples Depa Sora Quinlan Vos.

You're using both Light and Dark Sides of the Force
Not just the Dark Side.
Example He loved Depa enough to NOT KILL her.
He tried with all his might to restrain himself from killing her.

Now tell me that ain't love?
You got to be Luke Sky Walker for these types of emotion,right?
Luke and crew are NOT logically correct or worthy to lead the new Jedi Order!!!

He went after Depa because He was the ONLY ONE who could bring her in
without any body getting killed. The emotion he felt?!

He couldn't use that as fuel for Vaapad?
Only Anakin and Luke,right?

Vaapad uses emotions!!!
They give Vaapad its Power!!!
When there is nothing around to draw power from you turn within
To that Mental Forge of all those emotions images like Anakin's

Images of the Sand people ,his life as a slave, his failures etc.
Mace,any body that wields Juyo or Vaapad does the same thing
The Only difference is Mastery of Control not the loss of it .

So you see if blinded by rage you can't change any thing
But if you are in Control & Focused then Padawan you can move Mountains!!!!
Vaapad doesn't use rage not full blown blind rage any way.

Everything with Form VII is about Control,Victory,and Skill.
You're Luke SkyWalker mumbo jumbo won't work with this thread.
So you're still wrong Padawan.

Mace's state of mind is always wanting to win
but his approach is very different,unpredictable and in sync with his mind set
Just because you CAN'T multitask mentally doesn't mean I can't....Padawan.

To put this thread to bed finally and in closing
You can change your state of mind
You can use love. It can make you do crazy things(Ask Anakin )
You saw what love did to him and why both Jedi and Sith abandon it for other emotions.
Read Path of the Jedi
Book of Sith
Hell , your own thread on Jedi attachments
Even better Mace's attachments to Depa, it almost got him killed.
I rest my case your SkyWalker logic is flawed It doesn't stand up to anything I said.
But only in your mind Padawan you're still the learner and I AM THE MASTER

Vaapad mastered you!!!!!

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LOL
Sadow your'e a funny guy you have most definitely earned my respect!!!
Arhael,all you guys!!!!! Your blend is respected!!!! and again sorry about the name mix up!!!!
lol too funny It was Darth Power who encouraged me to write more..... the mood was all mine.
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Originally posted by juyomaster34
LOL
Sadow your'e a funny guy you have most definitely earned my respect!!!
Arhael,all you guys!!!!! Your blend is respected!!!! and again sorry about the name mix up!!!!
lol too funny It was Darth Power who encouraged me to write more..... the mood was all mine.
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Hate you? Man you made that debate the best one besides me and Arhael's.
I respect what people believe in and for standing up for themselves.
You gave me a good run and for that I respect you.

You and the others read my replies and got in there with me
Made me think and be a better debater!!!
Thank you guys!!!

They'll be talking about our debate for years!!!! LOL
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Who cares what Anakin was saying Sidious needed to DIE!!!
End of Story.

There was NO EASY CHOICE!!!
Palpatine was the Sith Lord they were looking for!!!
He had control over the WHOLE republic!!!

Arresting him would solve nothing!!!
Anakin wanted to save him for one reason only: POWER!!!!
Forget Pade'me he almost choked her to death.

This Luke crap logic is getting real old

Kenobi didn't kill Anakin. Vader later apprenticed Marek who turned to lightside. Marek had Vader at his mercy but didn't kill him and as result he became inspiration for the rebelion. When Vader was at Marek's clone mercy, Kota reasoned with him and said that killing Vader will not solve matters. Kota wasn't saying the bullshit you are saying despite Vader being biggest threat to rebelion movement. And again Luke refused to kill Vader. If anyone of them killed Vader, Sidious would just replace him with someone else. If Vader got killed by any of the mentioned characters and didn't get redeemed, Sidious would never die.

Also, Kenobi didn't kill Jarad Hett. From one side he became new threat in far future, however, it was him, who did killing blow to Abeloth. Without him Luke wouldn't kill her.

On the other hand Anakin had Dooku at his mercy, same situation as with Palpatine, he was too dangerous to live. Did killing him helped the matters? Not at all, it was another step closer to the darkside for Anakin and ultimately he just replaced Dooku.

Marek in darkside ending ended up replacing Vader and later turned Luke to darkside.

If Luke killed Vader, he would just replace him. Luke by killing Vader would fall to darkside as well.

Whichever way you look at it, killing defenceless opponent doesn't help. It is darkside choice. However, in every single case sparing life of defenceless opponent in long run resulted in greater good.

I proved you can change your state of mind

Vaapad is Half light Half dark
I didn't say Mace wanted to change his State of Mind.
I SAID you can have a different SOM using it.
Examples Depa Sora Quinlan Vos.

You're using both Light and Dark Sides of the Force
Not just the Dark Side.

"The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent.

And it was darkening.

Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts.

There was no Jedi restraint here.

Mace Windu was cutting loose.

Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being.

Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways."

Nothing about how Anakin felt and how Windu felt himself suggests that there was
even smallest hint of lightside.

He couldn't use that as fuel for Vaapad?
Only Anakin and Luke,right?

Vaapad uses emotions!!!
They give Vaapad its Power!!!

And you still don't get it. State of mind is not about what emotions you choose to use, it'a about how it affects you. I never said Windu can't love.

You're Luke SkyWalker mumbo jumbo won't work with this thread.
So you're still wrong Padawan.

Mace's state of mind is always wanting to win
but his approach is very different,unpredictable and in sync with his mind set
Just because you CAN'T multitask mentally doesn't mean I can't....Padawan.

To put this thread to bed finally and in closing
You can change your state of mind
You can use love. It can make you do crazy things(Ask Anakin )
You saw what love did to him and why both Jedi and Sith abandon it for other emotions.
Read Path of the Jedi
Book of Sith
Hell , your own thread on Jedi attachments
Even better Mace's attachments to Depa, it almost got him killed.
I rest my case your SkyWalker logic is flawed It doesn't stand up to anything I said.
But only in your mind Padawan you're still the learner and I AM THE MASTER

Vaapad mastered you!!!!!

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Always with YOU
THAT CANNOT BE DONE!!!!!!

Padawan you just proved me right.....AGAIN!!!
First the idiotic Skywalker comparisons then the meaningless logic!!!
BS? seems like I KO'ed some nerves and you want to be FAMOUS.

Ding,Ding Padawan class is in Session,
Read what state of mind is...AGIAN.
One more time, WHO GIVES A BANTHA'S A$$ about what you just said about Luke
And your misplaced logic.

I know who Luke is
I don't care for his era
I said I was through with this thread

I already explained this
Go BACK and READ!!!!
AND when you do
LEAVE THAT OVER RATED LOGIC OF YOURS OUT
it would do all of us a HUGE!!!! FAVOR.

You still don't get it
And YOU'RE HOPELESS IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SH*T
you just said.

Luke dropped his weapon because he was scarred !!!!
Who drops their light saber to the most Powerful Sith in his Over rated era
One dumb a$$ Bantha's a$$

What did he think was gonna happen?
Peace treaty?!
Oh over rated Luke you Win..BS

And what happened HE GOT FRIED,ELECTRICUTED!!!
Dumb A$$
A SITH IS NEVER DEFENSELESS
They only thing wanking is that POOR EXCUSE FOR LOGIC .

From any point or any thread WE ALL CAN SAY WE FIND YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.....
retarded,stupid, ludicris,ignorant, and flat out BS.

It was his COMPASSION,Padawan
A MASTER of Vaapad would draw on his inner darkness and the darkness of the opponent
Focus it into a POSITIVE FORCE TO SERVE THE LIGHT,PADAWAN

TO BECOME A MASTER OF VAAPAD,the user HAD TO BE STRONG WILLED
AND BE ABLE TO RESIST THE PULL OF THE DARK SIDE,PADAWAN!!!

THEY HAD TO RELISH THE FIGHT AND ENJOY THE SATISFACTION OF WINNING
BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY HAD TO HOLD ON TO THE LIGHT SIDE AND MAKE
SURE "THEY "CONTROLLED VAAPAD AND VAAPAD DIDN'T CONTROL THEM....PADAWAN.

(MULTI TASK) (WHICH YOU CAN'T DO)

The State of Mind is the key to the whole form!!!
His emotion was COMPASSION thus Fuel to Feed Vaapad,
he didn't WANT TO WIN,Padawan
He wanted to SAVE,Padawan.

You still gotta be Luke for that emotion,too, right?
Here's the Death Blow, YOU STILL PROVED NOTHING.
Your logic is one sided bub, and in this business
One sided don't cut it,

I've proved that if you ever fight any body with your state of mind,
YOU'LL LOSE,
OF course their're dead, Luke too if DADDY didn't save his over rated a$$.
From my Point,you still lack the logic you use,YOU KEEP WANKING WANNA BE
and maybe one day YOU'LL WIN A DEBATE. DAMN YOU THOUGHT YOU WON DIDN'T YOU?

TRUTH IS PADAWAN,.....BUB I WON.........THIS DEBATE LIKE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SH*TED AND YOUR LOGIC IS OVER!!!!! NEXT!!!!!!!
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Kyle Katarn would have been a better example,padawan....
Kyle GAVE Jerec his light saber back so they could finish the duel,padawan....
Not throw it away,praying for a peace pipe and hang with the Ewoks,Padawan....

For the record he was destined to be Vader and Order 66 would have came with or without Vader
Palpatine would have came back from the dead and still gave the Order,Padawan.
You just mad that LIL Luke didn't get full credit for killing Palpatine or considered in the top 3
to kill or even HOLD A LIGHT SABER TO Palpatine .

What did this lil over rated moma's boy do?
Ah baby boy DROPPED HIS LIGHT SABER!!!!
UH OH PAPS IS GONNA GET IT NOW!!!!

BABY BOY, your FEEBLE SKILLS are NO MATCH FOR THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!!
Poor Misguilded logic.....
You will pay for your lack of vision!!!!!
Now SkyWalker like that Poor excuse for a reply to attack a REAL MASTER
And that very poor and feeble excuse for even trying to Growl
when that bark was nothing but a purr.......

Now Skywalker...you will die.....
Wait for it,......Daddy comes in and saves that A$$ and Over ratedness begins.....
Now Player,Wait you ain't no player

Padawan,Luke can't beat Palpatine!!!!
Luke out of all the times Palpatine came back still couldn't beat
Or even Attempt to kill Palpatine. ....
When he TRIED to duel Palpatine he HAD HELP.

Now Padawan Mace didn't need help
Yoda didn't need help
Vader didn't need help
But your baby boy did EVERY TIME !!!!!!

Before you Debate a Master of Vaapad,learn all you can
read all you can
because your logic on this matter is WRONG,
Kyle Katarn should be the Grand Master of that Order not Luke
Kyle was a better example than that sorry Luke crap.
I know more about your over rated era than you....

Keep wankin'Luke I know you FEAR The Dark Side that's why Anakin /Vader will always TOP
YOU IN EVERYTHING!!!!!! ANAKIN NEVER THREW AWAY HIS LIGHT SABER
NO MATTER WHO HIS OPPONENT WAS !!!!!

NOW I'm DONE AND SO IS YOUR RIDICULOUS WANKING ABOUT LUKE AND ANY BODY
ELSE FROM HIS ERA!!!
HOW MANY ARMS DO YOU SEE? 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Kyle Katarn would have been a better example,padawan....
Kyle GAVE Jerec his light saber back so they could finish the duel,padawan....
Not throw it away,praying for a peace pipe and hang with the Ewoks,Padawan....

For the record he was destined to be Vader and Order 66 would have came with or without Vader
Palpatine would have came back from the dead and still gave the Order,Padawan.
You just mad that LIL Luke didn't get full credit for killing Palpatine or considered in the top 3
to kill or even HOLD A LIGHT SABER TO Palpatine .

What did this lil over rated moma's boy do?
Ah baby boy DROPPED HIS LIGHT SABER!!!!
UH OH PAPS IS GONNA GET IT NOW!!!!

BABY BOY, your FEEBLE SKILLS are NO MATCH FOR THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!!
Poor Misguilded logic.....
You will pay for your lack of vision!!!!!
Now SkyWalker like that Poor excuse for a reply to attack a REAL MASTER
And that very poor and feeble excuse for even trying to Growl
when that bark was nothing but a purr.......

Now Skywalker...you will die.....
Wait for it,......Daddy comes in and saves that A$$ and Over ratedness begins.....
Now Player,Wait you ain't no player

Padawan,Luke can't beat Palpatine!!!!
Luke out of all the times Palpatine came back still couldn't beat
Or even Attempt to kill Palpatine. ....
When he TRIED to duel Palpatine he HAD HELP.

Now Padawan Mace didn't need help
Yoda didn't need help
Vader didn't need help
But your baby boy did EVERY TIME !!!!!!

Before you Debate a Master of Vaapad,learn all you can
read all you can
because your logic on this matter is WRONG,
Kyle Katarn should be the Grand Master of that Order not Luke
Kyle was a better example than that sorry Luke crap.
I know more about your over rated era than you....

Keep wankin'Luke I know you FEAR The Dark Side that's why Anakin /Vader will always TOP
YOU IN EVERYTHING!!!!!! ANAKIN NEVER THREW AWAY HIS LIGHT SABER
NO MATTER WHO HIS OPPONENT WAS !!!!!

NOW I'm DONE AND SO IS YOUR RIDICULOUS WANKING ABOUT LUKE AND ANY BODY
ELSE FROM HIS ERA!!!
HOW MANY ARMS DO YOU SEE? 😆 😆 😆 😆

LOL Some people just never learn!!
He wants to be famous so I made him look like a deer in head lights!!
I never said state of mind was an emotion,padawan.
It's an idea,mind set,an approach.

This guy hates being wrong when the TRUTH is in front of him!!
I sensed prey and a disturbance in the threads so I had to go hunting
When I'm wrong I'll admit it,but this dude?

Fact is I wasn't and he ended up being slaughterd by a sample of my furious word play,lol!!!

Originally posted by juyomaster34
LOL Some people just never learn!!
He wants to be famous so I made him look like a deer in head lights!!
I never said state of mind was an emotion,padawan.
It's an idea,mind set,an approach.

This guy hates being wrong when the TRUTH is in front of him!!
I sensed prey and a disturbance in the threads so I had to go hunting
When I'm wrong I'll admit it,but this dude?

Fact is I wasn't and he ended up being slaughterd by a sample of my furious word play,lol!!!

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
The Dark Side I sense in you... LOL Glad to have found such a clear Sith material!

Who's butt? I still won and proved you wrong how many times? Damn I lost count !!!
On this Forum,this is called Vaapad,...how many arms do you see? 😑 😑 ❌ ❌ : ✅ ✅ 😆 😆

You proved nothing.
Your speculations are outright baseless. Luke dropping lightsaber because of being "scarred" was especially hilarious.

You felt need to turn peaciful discussion into aimless rant and personal attacks. You felt need to proclaim yourself winner god knows of what, when from the beginning I was just giving my interpretation as you gave yours. How can you take your opinions as facts, I am clueless.

You daring to call my logic one sided, when I backed up my opinion by many examples such as Kenobi sparing lives of Vader an Jared Hett. Marek refusing to strike down Vader and then Sidious. Starkiller refusing to strike down Vader. I can add to that many more examples. JK refused to strike down Vitiate and wanted to inprison him despite the fact that he was far more dangerous than even Sidious.
Aryn Laneer spared life of Malgus' girlfriend despite her trying to kill her and as result Malgus spared her life after defeating her.

Kenobi had more than one chance to go all out on Ventress but he always held back. And together with Anakin they disarmed her instead of killing. As the result she not only saved Kenobi later, she is on her way to be redeemed in final season.

If by your opinion all those characters are idiots, then it only reflects your bias and inadequacy.

In turn Anakin by killing defenceless opponent got closer to darkside. And Windu by attempting to kill defenceless opponent got himself killed as well as completed Anakin's fall to darkside.

You can't give a single example, where killing defenceless opponent would lead to positive outcome and proclaim yourself of winning, when my aim wasn't about winning at all. Your sence of competition is not needed here, for that you have sport and computer games.
So who's logic is one sided?

And your talk about state of mind is useless. Windu never got sub-merged into Vaapad so deeply before fighting Sidious. He couldn't achieve such state of mind whenever he wanted. Same way characters experience Oneness with the Force ones in a life time. But those, who experienced Oneness, made huge difference in history. What difference in history gave Vaapad? None. Two Jedi got consumed by darkness and third died of betrayal and was instrumental device to turn Anakin.

You failed as a debator.
You failed as a person.
You proved only your deluded stupidity.

This is another non fight... Windu with easy... so much ease that why was this thread even made?