Originally posted by Delta1938
Well Carvy, I was trying to find a good "OH YOU!!" picture, but couldn't find a slightly original one. However, I did find this during my search.[B]I just thought I should share. I felt it would be a disservice to the board if I didn't.
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I guess I was wrong. I guess most of the board's gay? 😱
Originally posted by keiththegreat
You asked the difference between Eternals and Celestials, and he showed their different power levels. I'd say it was pretty relevant to your question.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I thought Kurse was 4 times stronger, not 5. Collective?
Was that the bacteria that were altered into higher lifeforms by the Celestials similar to the Eternals, or am I mixing them up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_%28comics%29#Fictional_group_biography
"When the Celestials visited Earth five million years ago and performed genetic experiments on early proto-humanity, they created two divergent races: the long-lived Eternals , and the genetically unstable and monstrously grotesque Deviants."
No I didn't.
Originally posted by Delta1938If you know what I meant by Russia and this isn't a college setting then I win. You knew what I meant and do does google.
The JLA fought the Justice League?Over 9,000.
You finding it on Google only proves that Google is helpful for the clueless.
Oh and Superman has a pretty large edge.
Originally posted by biensalsaAre you referring to the Kingdom which isn't canon ? The only reason he survived in that encounter was due to Gog weakening destroying the artifacts.
How do You know? How many battles have you seen of Superman all out vs another Superman?I know for a fact that Superman's body can with stand time shattering forces even when there was no Multiverse. He has even survived forces that open Hypertime.
For all you know in a regular environment all out Superman punches have the same effect as the hammers.
I can say the same thing. Single Mjolnir collision alone does not has the same effect.
And I saw plenty top tiers like Black Adam not holding back vs SBP, Why this did not happened when Adam hit SBP?
Why did only happened with the Kryptonians?
We've never seen two Superman fists affect all of reality like the two hammers and I have already explained the context going on in Infinite Crisis.
More powerful characters don't always make the most collateral damage due to the inconsistency in comics.
It's like saying Odin and Seth are more powerful than Galactus and Odin. Comics are inconsistent and don't have to add up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you referring to the Kingdom which isn't canon ? The only reason he survived in that encounter was due to Gog weakening destroying the artifacts.
I don't see where are you getting this information of the Kingdom not being canon. IIRC Kingdom come characters meet NE Characters and the introduction of Hypertime in DC comics comes from there.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We've never seen two Superman fists affect all of reality like the two hammers and I have already explained the context going on in Infinite Crisis.
I ask again when have you seen two Supermen going all out.
When have you seen a guy who can take time shattering forces vs a guy who can deliver time shattering attacks? and to tell you the truth, is funny when You or Carver mention context, because IIRC when I brought up the context behind HTOM/dark dimension weak matter, You both didn't even paid attention to it. And in your opinion how "weak" the universe has to be in order to retcon it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
More powerful characters don't always make the most collateral damage due to the inconsistency in comics. It's like saying Odin and Seth are more powerful than Galactus and Odin. Comics are inconsistent and don't have to add up.
That depends on the amount of fury portrayed by both combatants and the plane in which the battle took place. tbh The fights I have seen vs Seth will not lead me to believe what you are saying.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you know what I meant by Russia and this isn't a college setting then I win. You knew what I meant and do does google.
If you're really so confident, and you were telling the truth that you don't dispute fact, you would admit that Russia didn't exist during WWII. You're just making excuses.
And Superman wins.
Originally posted by biensalsa
and to tell you the truth, is funny when You or Carver mention context, because IIRC when I brought up the context behind HTOM/dark dimension weak matter, You both didn't even paid attention to it. And in your opinion how "weak" the universe has to be in order to retcon it?
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying someone is powerful enough to isn't debating. You need to cite examples to buffer your case. If you don't it's a baseless opinion.
Either debate or hit the road.
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Originally posted by biensalsa
There is opinions, but what makes you think "decisively"?
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Originally posted by quanchi112
His showings. They are well above top tiers.
Originally posted by Delta1938
If you're really so confident, and you were telling the truth that you don't dispute fact, you would admit that Russia didn't exist during WWII. You're just making excuses.And Superman wins.
ha? russia is the one who spanked the nazi forces how didnt russia exist during WW2?
Originally posted by red sabre
so you are having a discussion about the russian republic and the CCCP i see, well in that case during the world war 2 it was the CCCP which is the soviet union, only in 1991 it became known as russia
Quanchi just can't admit that he was wrong.
Anyways, Superman wins. He's stronger and more durable by a good deal. And I see Carver has disappeared from this thread after my response.
Just like he ran away with his tail between his legs over the Hulk/Superman lowballing contest on Character Ownage. twisted
Originally posted by red sabre
i just didnt get what the discussion was about, i am russian myself i know my history thank you.
Cool. Well, now ya know.
Originally posted by biensalsaIt was retconned with jsa v3 by Johns.
I don't see where are you getting this information of the Kingdom not being canon. IIRC Kingdom come characters meet NE Characters and the introduction of Hypertime in DC comics comes from there.
They went all out in Infinite crisis. You were wrong and tried citing another writer who made it apparent the dark dimension is actually scarier so the feat is even more impressive.
I ask again when have you seen two Supermen going all out.
When have you seen a guy who can take time shattering forces vs a guy who can deliver time shattering attacks? and to tell you the truth, is funny when You or Carver mention context, because IIRC when I brought up the context behind HTOM/dark dimension weak matter, You both didn't even paid attention to it. And in your opinion how "weak" the universe has to be in order to retcon it?
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You aren't aware of much. More collateral damage was definitely seen in Seth vs. Odin than Odin vs. Galactus. It's not proof of anything.That depends on the amount of fury portrayed by both combatants and the plane in which the battle took place. tbh The fights I have seen vs Seth will not lead me to believe what you are saying. [/B]
Originally posted by Delta1938You really don't grasp how people talk and are wrong like usual.
If you're really so confident, and you were telling the truth that you don't dispute fact, you would admit that Russia didn't exist during WWII. You're just making excuses.And Superman wins.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying someone is powerful enough to isn't debating. You need to cite examples to buffer your case. If you don't it's a baseless opinion.Either debate or hit the road.
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Originally posted by biensalsa
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Originally posted by quanchi112
His showings. They are well above top tiers.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, Russia existed as a PART of the USSR. Although they really ran it anyway, so it's more a question of semantics.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was retconned with jsa v3 by Johns.They went all out in Infinite crisis. You were wrong and tried citing another writer who made it apparent the dark dimension is actually scarier so the feat is even more impressive.
You aren't aware of much. More collateral damage was definitely seen in Seth vs. Odin than Odin vs. Galactus. It's not proof of anything.
I have to respond this better later on
But me citing another writer regarding the dark dimension is the same thing You are doing by saying Superman cannot do this if is not under IC conditions.
And the Dark Dimension is a rule. I have proof the matter is actually weaker in there. What do you have to counter that?
Nothing but speculations. You want to take this Dark Dimension matter into a battlezone so We don't derail this thread? it will be fast I promise
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was retconned with jsa v3 by Johns.
How? Nothing in Thy Kingdom Come prevents The Kingdom from
happening.
Besides, according to Alex Ross, it's not a sequel to Kingdom Come, which basically makes it an Elseworlds of an Elseworlds.
The dc wikia confirms the Kingdom Come and Earth 22 universe are similar, yet different
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_%28Earth-22%29:
HistoryEditThe Earth-22 Kal-El is largely parallel to the Kingdom Come Superman, although he differs from his Kingdom Come counterpart in several ways. The major difference stems from the outcome of the Joker of his reality’s attack against the staff of the Daily Planet.
Unlike the events that unfolded in Kingdom Come, Superman of Earth-22 arrives to find that his wife has survived the initial attack due to her concealed gas mask. Although the battle between Lane-Kent and the Joker ends similarly, on Earth-22 the Joker bashes Lois Lane’s skull with a weighted scale globe instead of stabbing her through the chest.
Thor's hammer is nowhere near Superman's fist in striking power. It's not even close IMO. That's not a knock on how powerful Thor is, because like I've said, in overall power, Superman and Thor are very comparable. But in terms of punching, and taking damage, there is a giant gap between the two. Thor has the energy absorption/projection/shielding edge, Superman has the physical strength and durability edge.