Superman vs Thor (punching contest)

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really don't grasp how people talk and are wrong like usual.

Sure Quancakes. It doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about Russia, that you contradicted yourself about you must cite examples then fail to do it yourself, and that you're contradicting yourself here that you're nitpicking and arguing over context of Superman's feat when you accused Salsa of doing the same and ignored the context he pointed-out.

But anyways Superman still wins both contests, Grandpa Quan. Even if Thor hits harder with Mjolnir than Superman's punches, Superman's durability advantage compensates, so he wins both.

Originally posted by country1000
Superman is nowhere close to matching a hammer strike from thor. It might be in a crossover, but superman failed and had to use thors hammer to bust through something i recall.

Fail. Salsa already pointed-out the absurdity in this argument. If it were Thor smashing the barrier you'd have a point, but it was Superman. By the way, in that same crossover, Superman caught a CHARGED Mjolnir strike when in a disadvantageous position compared to Thor. Which just further ruins your claim to use JLA/AVENGERS as "proof" that Thor's striking with Mjolnir>Superman's punching.

Originally posted by country1000
How many times have you heard that someone or something hits harder than superman? Quite a lot in a lot of comics. Now ask someone to count up the times someone or something that was stated to hit as hard as thors hammer strikes.

Wonder Man's fists. He always said they hit as hard as Mjolnir or something along those lines. And if you're using JLA/AVENGERS as a comparison, Wonder Man's own words said he'd need more than one punch to get through Kyle's shield, Superman has one-shot GL constructs.

Since the thread starter didn't specify which version of supes. Rules state that I use the current one. In which case Thor owns.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Since the thread starter didn't specify which version of supes. Rules state that I use the current one. In which case Thor owns.

Thor owns DCnU Superman comics? Cool, didn't know he read outside Marvel.

In all seriousness, new 52 Superman can't beat Thor in a slugfest.

Originally posted by Classic NES
In all seriousness, new 52 Superman can't beat Thor in a slugfest.

And while you're technically correct about the rules and the OP didn't specify, it feels like his intent was to use Pre-DCnU. And I don't see many people arguing NEW 52.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Sure Quancakes. It doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about Russia, that you contradicted yourself about you must cite examples then fail to do it yourself, and that you're contradicting yourself here that you're nitpicking and arguing over context of Superman's feat when you accused Salsa of doing the same and ignored the context he pointed-out.

But anyways Superman still wins both contests, Grandpa Quan. Even if Thor hits harder with Mjolnir than Superman's punches, Superman's durability advantage compensates, so he wins both.

Fail. Salsa already pointed-out the absurdity in this argument. If it were Thor smashing the barrier you'd have a point, but it was Superman. By the way, in that same crossover, Superman caught a CHARGED Mjolnir strike when in a disadvantageous position compared to Thor. Which just further ruins your claim to use JLA/AVENGERS as "proof" that Thor's striking with Mjolnir>Superman's punching.

Wonder Man's fists. He always said they hit as hard as Mjolnir or something along those lines. And if you're using JLA/AVENGERS as a comparison, Wonder Man's own words said he'd need more than one punch to get through Kyle's shield, Superman has one-shot GL constructs.

Superman's durability is weaker against magic so in the end Thor does win.

Originally posted by cdtm
How? Nothing in Thy Kingdom Come prevents The Kingdom from
happening.

Besides, according to Alex Ross, it's not a sequel to Kingdom Come, which basically makes it an Elseworlds of an Elseworlds.

The dc wikia confirms the Kingdom Come and Earth 22 universe are similar, yet different

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_%28Earth-22%29:

Originally posted by biensalsa
I have to respond this better later on

But me citing another writer regarding the dark dimension is the same thing You are doing by saying Superman cannot do this if is not under IC conditions.

And the Dark Dimension is a rule. I have proof the matter is actually weaker in there. What do you have to counter that?

Nothing but speculations. You want to take this Dark Dimension matter into a battlezone so We don't derail this thread? it will be fast I promise

You backed out of the other battlezone due to wanting to reread the entire series and I have no use for this as a battlezone. You'd want to reread entire runs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The scan you posted said it was even more dangerous in there. The story in which the Hulk feat was accomplished the writer mocked those who say Hulk can't destroy a planet just because he didn't so he actually shows the Hulk do so and you still pretend it is less than it is. You need to accept the showings.

I do accept the showings, I just point out the context.

Accepting the showings? uh? You are the light on the streets while your house is dark. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
You backed out of the other battlezone due to wanting to reread the entire series and I have no use for this as a battlezone. You'd want to reread entire runs.

Should I mention the deceitful base in which you tried to set up the battlezone? I gave you my point of view and You just didn't like it, because well, it was solid.

Mind also, PM's are called Private for a reason Quan. To gloat in here saying that I backed down? is nothing but a coward story you are making up. I never told "I back down". I won't discuss things of a private message on a public forum, because well, that is something only cowards do.

But You are the one who told me to forget about it.

Originally posted by biensalsa
I do accept the showings, I just point out the context.

Accepting the showings? uh? You are the light on the streets while your house is dark. 😉

Should I mention the deceitful base in which you tried to set up the battlezone? I gave you my point of view and You just didn't like it, because well, it was solid.

Mind also, PM's are called Private for a reason Quan. To gloat in here saying that I backed down? is nothing but a coward story you are making up. I never told "I back down". I won't discuss things of a private message on a public forum, because well, that is something only cowards do.

But You are the one who told me to forget about it.

I said Lucifer imposed his will which he most assuredly did so. I am interested in the battlezone then you acted fine and then wanted to reread the entire series.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was right about Russia and another poster even said as much. You are trying to be difficult but know I am right like I always am with regards to you.

Wrong. Even the dude from Russia said I was right when he realized what I meant. You're grasping at straws.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman's durability is weaker against magic so in the end Thor does win.

Wrong. And if that were true, you'd think Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Etrigan, ect would have better records against him. Quanchi fails again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I accept all canon showings. I always do.

So then you conceded to this.

Originally posted by Damborgson
They're close. But if I had to pick Mjolnir > Superman's fist.

👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
I accept all canon showings. I always do.

Which is inherently flawed.

Thor one shots

Superman doesn't

Originally posted by Sabro
Superman one shots

Thor dies

Fixed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Which is inherently flawed.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Wrong. Even the dude from Russia said I was right when he realized what I meant. You're grasping at straws.

Wrong. And if that were true, you'd think Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Etrigan, ect would have better records against him. Quanchi fails again.

So then you conceded to this.

I never said magic is an auto win but magic is a weakness of his so his durability doesn't hold up as well against magic.

I don't believe that is canon. I've seen the scan before.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what is the most fair way of debating iyo ?

Except this isn't a college atmosphere. Everyone knew what I meant including you. I was right and am still right.

Doesn't matter it isn't a college atmosphere, you were wrong and won't admit to it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said magic is an auto win but magic is a weakness of his so his durability doesn't hold up as well against magic.

I didn't accuse you of saying magick is an auto-win. I said you're wrong that Thor's strikes are going to hurt more because of magick. Reread this--

"And if that were true, you'd think Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Etrigan, ect would have better records against him."

That's pointing-out that their punches haven't shown any greater effect than punches from equivalently strong non-mystical beings. And Captain Marvel's Zeus-Amping doesn't count, that pushes his strength/striking power above his normal levels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't believe that is canon. I've seen the scan before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_Girl#Victories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_Girl#cite_note-glx-mas-10

Do you have any proof that the comic is non-canon?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Doesn't matter it isn't a college atmosphere, you were wrong and won't admit to it.

I didn't accuse you of saying magick is an auto-win. I said you're wrong that Thor's strikes are going to hurt more because of magick. Reread this--

"And if that were true, you'd think Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Etrigan, ect would have better records against him."

That's pointing-out that their punches haven't shown any greater effect than punches from equivalently strong non-mystical beings. And Captain Marvel's Zeus-Amping doesn't count, that pushes his strength/striking power above his normal levels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_Girl#Victories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_Girl#cite_note-glx-mas-10

Do you have any proof that the comic is non-canon?

A better record implies more formidable and nothing to do with the issue at hand. What's Superman's record against Black Adam ?

Wikipedia. LOL. What a reliable source. Has the Sgirl showing ever been referenced in another comic or covered in a bio or the the Thanos Sourcebook ? Iirc the same writer who penned this showing later wrote the She Hulk Thanos clone which stated a clone could fool anyone. The Thanos showing at the time was an in house joke aimed at Starlin.

You can believe it's canon all you want while I myself don't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You knew what I meant and making a fuss over it when you clearly knew what I meant shows how far you will go in a losing effort.

Everything you can do to keep from admitting you're wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A better record implies more formidable and nothing to do with the issue at hand.

You missed the point. You sure made an argument as-if Superman's disproportionately hurt by punches from mystically-powered beings than those without a mystical origin. If I had ONE example, you'd have a point about it implying more formidable, but that's not what I was arguing. If they did hurt him more, then it'd help all those characters to have a better record.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What's Superman's record against Black Adam ?

I guess you could say he's won both fights I'm aware of, but since Black Adam gave-up one time figuring it wasn't worth it, and the other claimed innocence and stuck to it so he gave-up, I wouldn't call them the most impressive wins. I'm unaware if they've fought other times.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wikipedia. LOL. What a reliable source.

You pulled quite the fail, considering I was using it to show the ISSUE IT HAPPENED IN.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Has the Sgirl showing ever been referenced in another comic or covered in a bio or the the Thanos Sourcebook ? Iirc the same writer who penned this showing later wrote the She Hulk Thanos clone which stated a clone could fool anyone. The Thanos showing at the time was an in house joke aimed at Starlin.

You can believe it's canon all you want while I myself don't.

So basically you've got nothing to prove it's non-canon and just want it to be non-canon. Thanks for lying again, Quan.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Everything you can do to keep from admitting you're wrong.

You missed the point. You sure made an argument as-if Superman's disproportionately hurt by punches from mystically-powered beings than those without a mystical origin. If I had ONE example, you'd have a point about it implying more formidable, but that's not what I was arguing. If they did hurt him more, then it'd help all those characters to have a better record.

I guess you could say he's won both fights I'm aware of, but since Black Adam gave-up one time figuring it wasn't worth it, and the other claimed innocence and stuck to it so he gave-up, I wouldn't call them the most impressive wins. I'm unaware if they've fought other times.

You pulled quite the fail, considering I was using it to show the ISSUE IT HAPPENED IN.

So basically you've got nothing to prove it's non-canon and just want it to be non-canon. Thanks for lying again, Quan.

WW's cut his throat before I don't see her being able to do so without the mystical part but apparently that had nothing to do with it. I think magic is a weakness so if something isn't magical he's more durable against it. A winning record implies being more formidable.

Those aren't wins at all. Black Adam didn't want to fight and since Superman quit fighting that isn't a win.

You posted wikidepia links not me.

So you believe the Thanos Sourcebook didn't cover canon showings ? Are you serious ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I wasn't wrong you knew what I meant so I was right.

Keep grasping, those straws make ya feel better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW's cut his throat before I don't see her being able to do so without the mystical part but apparently that had nothing to do with it. I think magic is a weakness so if something isn't magical he's more durable against it. A winning record implies being more formidable.

And what does her tiara(or any other enchanted edged, really) have to do with BLUNT FORCE? And this is a strawman. I said punches from her and others show no greater effect on him than punches from equivalently strong non-mystical opponents.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Those aren't wins at all. Black Adam didn't want to fight and since Superman quit fighting that isn't a win.

Whatever your opinion is on whether they're wins or not is irrelevant. Why did you bring-up their record in the first place? As some type of flawed argument(if there aren't fights I'm unaware of) or genuine curiosity?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You posted wikidepia links not me.

I guess was wrong and gave you too much credit to figure-out why I did. Sorry for my mistake.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe the Thanos Sourcebook didn't cover canon showings ? Are you serious ?

"Official" information isn't always accurate, nor does it always cover all appearances. It's not a WHAT IF?, so it's up to you to provide proof that it was an alternate universe or something. It having an outcome you don't like or it "not being serious" aren't reasons to make it non-canon.