Mara Jade vs. Darth Sidious

Started by Nephthys21 pages

Originally posted by Battlemaster
No, it's okay. Thank you for taking the time to post this.

It does seem as if Kyle had to coordinate his movements with other fighters who didn't necessarily have much experience fighting as a group with Kyle.

It seems that Caedus kept TKing people around to distract Kyle and interfere with his own movements and intentions.

And when finally they stood ready to do battle perhaps one-on-one - Caedus goes ahead and flings a vehicle into Kyle so that he can impale him afterwards.

- In short, you have a jumbly fight - with Katarn and inexperienced Knights trying their best to coordinate their movements closely with each other - Caedus flinging them around and into each other and Katarn, to screw up Katarn's own movements - and finally when Katarn prepares to fight Caedus on even-ground - Caedus grabs a vehicle and uses that instead of trying to stab Katarn conventionally.

I agree with you that Caedus was likely somewhat more powerful and skilled than Katarn - but not by much.

Caedus considered Katarn a threat - and would not try to engage him in traditional combat - apparently, at all costs.

I disagree. Jacen was able to easily handle the other Jedi while fighting Kyle, and had time to enjoy the scenary while doing so. He even casually sidesteps his lightsaber at one point and has time to watch it whizz past him. Furthermore, Kyle would have lost a leg at one point if it wasn't for his team. It's only at one point that Kyle is actually inconvenienced by Jacen using his allies against him and using TK on them, so he didn't 'keep' doing it like you suggested. Its obvious that even without the trick at the end Caedus would have continued to dominate them.

Originally posted by ares834
...at least on this forum, for the transitive property. And is still faulty.

It's not very mathematical then, if it's faulty.

Regardless, it's not the mathematical logic I was speaking of. 😎

Originally posted by ares834

So you are going to cling to a clear mis-post (hell I edited it) rather than challenge me.

😆

I'm so pathetic it's adorable.

Concede or take a stance.

You conceded to my stance, earlier on. 😛

Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree. Jacen was able to easily handle the other Jedi while fighting Kyle, and had time to enjoy the scenary while doing so. He even casually sidesteps his lightsaber at one point and has time to watch it whizz past him. Furthermore, Kyle would have lost a leg at one point if it wasn't for his team. It's only at one point that Kyle is actually inconvenienced by Jacen using his allies against him and using TK on them, so he didn't 'keep' doing it like you suggested. Its obvious that even without the trick at the end Caedus would have continued to dominate them.

I agree he would have dominated them as a group.

Kyle and Caedus, one-on-one, would have been brutal and very close.

Likely very similar to how Mara nearly killed Caedus.

Caedus would win, though.

Anakin was in force rage, so would not be thinking about Obi-Wans moves or tactics.
I agree that Obi-Wan at the end of the day took positional advantage but there is no time to think about moves, it's all on reflexes. Also, the novel states about them knowing each other's moves and fighting like brothers.

ROTS novel states that Dooku was overwhelmed by the kinetic force behind Anakins strikes.
And is it fault of Dooku's style or Anakin's power superiority? It doesn't prove Makashi weakness. It took Anakin to become "in the zone" to overwhelm Dooku. Not to mention that he is more powerful, than Dooku in any case. It's actually Dooku's style that need to be prized for being able to give such a long fight.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
It's not very mathematical then, if it's faulty.

Regardless, it's not the mathematical logic I was speaking of. 😎

Math is faulty when applied to concepts that aren't mathematical in nature.

And yes, what you were speaking of is similar to the transitive property.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
You conceded to my stance, earlier on. 😛

So you continue to cling to a clear mispost... Pathetic.

Also,

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
I agree he would have dominated them as a group.

Kyle and Caedus, one-on-one, would have been brutal and very close.

Likely very similar to how Mara nearly killed Caedus.

Caedus would win, though.

Again I disagree. Caedus would have taken Kyle down inside of 10 seconds without his team.

Originally posted by ares834
speaking off

Yes, yes you are. 😛

Originally posted by ares834

So you continue to cling to a clear mispost... Pathetic.

Also,

Concession accepted.

Mispost? You agreed with me. 😆

I already accepted your concession a long time ago.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again I disagree. Caedus would have taken Kyle down inside of 10 seconds without his team.

Really? I would think with all their background similarities that Kyle and Mara would be close in combative aspects.

Originally posted by Arhael
I agree that Obi-Wan at the end of the day took positional advantage but there is no time to think about moves, it's all on reflexes. Also, the novel states about them knowing each other's moves and fighting like brothers.

Agreed, the moves in this duel at least are pure reflexes, however it is reflexes from knowing each others moves.

Originally posted by Arhael
And is it fault of Dooku's style or Anakin's power superiority? It doesn't prove Makashi weakness. It took Anakin to become "in the zone" to overwhelm Dooku. Not to mention that he is more powerful, than Dooku in any case. It's actually Dooku's style that need to be prized for being able to give such a long fight.

Dooku lost that duel for the most part because he tried to use Dun Moch against Anakin, which backfired as it put Anakin 'in the zone'.

I agree he would have dominated them as a group.

Kyle and Caedus, one-on-one, would have been brutal and very close.

Likely very similar to how Mara nearly killed Caedus.

4x1 using battle-meld is easier to defeat, than 1x1. Amazing logic. Maybe you will, also, blame Luke for sending those 3 "newbies" with over decade experience that were so distracting to Kyle's performance?

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Really? I would think with all their background similarities that Kyle and Mara would be close in combative aspects.

I'm referring to the fight I posted where it descibes Kyle narrowly avoiding losing a leg 10 seconds into the fight.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Mispost? You agreed with me. 😆

I already accepted your concession a long time ago.

😂

Seriously, this is hilarious. The sheer fact that you are to cowardly to challenge me over a belief that you attempted to ridicule me with speaks volumes about your character. When you finally grow up, tell me your stance.

Until then...

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Arhael
4x1 using battle-meld is easier to defeat, than 1x1. Amazing logic. Maybe you will, also, blame Luke for sending those 3 "newbies" with over decade experience that were so distracting to Kyle's performance?

😛 Shouldn't you be watching cartoons and sculpting macaroni crafts?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm referring to the fight I posted where it descibes Kyle narrowly avoiding losing a leg 10 seconds into the fight.

Well, you raised good points, so congratulations for the victory.

The fact I can just about say anything and be ignored is liberating. Tacos! Steak! Purple Tuesdays ate with Michael Jackson on Bill Cosby's sweater in Mondays!

Agreed, the moves in this duel at least are pure reflexes, however it is reflexes from knowing each others moves.
Which means, it doesn't give advantage to Kenobi as they both benefit from it. 😄

Dooku lost that duel for the most part because he tried to use Dun Moch against Anakin, which backfired as it put Anakin 'in the zone'.
So do you agree that it wasn't Dooku's style fault?

Shouldn't you be watching cartoons and sculpting macaroni crafts?
I am. It's called Akaneiro ni Somaru Saka. 👆

Originally posted by Pwned
The fact I can just about say anything and be ignored is liberating. Tacos! Steak! Purple Tuesdays ate with Michael Jackson on Bill Cosby's sweater in Mondays!

Sorry, did you say something just then? 😎

Originally posted by ares834
😂

Seriously, this is hilarious. The sheer fact that I'm to cowardly to challenge you over a belief that I attempted to ridicule you with speaks volumes about my character. When I finally grow up, tell me your stance.

Until then...

Concession accepted.

The fact that you're freaking out about this is very amusing. 😛

I've never had someone want to hear my opinion on something so badly.

If you really want to know - go back to the thread I pulled the comments from, and read it.

You realized you were wrong and conceded to me right there and then.

You're defeated, but if you want to learn - go back and read the thread for my opinion on the EL matter.

Originally posted by Arhael
Which means, it doesn't give advantage to Kenobi as they both benefit from it. 😄

Obi-Wan still won because of his tactics.

Originally posted by Arhael
So do you agree that it wasn't Dooku's style fault?

Of course it was Dookus fault, he tried to use Dun Moch against Anakin and it just put him 'in the zone' where he proceeded to own him. 😆

Originally posted by ares834
That's because Plo Koon is using a LS variant of Force Lightning not Emerald Lightning. Only the wook says they are the same.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
What do you think Electric Judgement is?? 😆

Originally posted by ares834
lol

Quit editing my quotes.

😉

😆