Mara Jade vs. Darth Sidious

Originally posted by ares834

EL:

"This technique (Emerald Lightning) is closely related to Sith Lightning."

Okay - so for your proof of EL being different - you're stating here that EL is "closely related to Sith lightning"

Originally posted by ares834

EJ:

"Upon my return from Metellos, my use of force lightning was included in the report to the Council."

Okay - so for your proof of EJ being different - you're stating here that EJ is "closely related to Sith lightning"

Originally posted by ares834

"Plo Koon was not only appointed to the Jedi Council but apparently succeeded in perfecting the technique known as Electric Judgment."

That's good. Does nothing but convey that a different name was used at that time Period.

Originally posted by ares834

I gave you quotes proving this. I thought you claimed you believed in canon. Funny how when it is brought up you continue to ignore it and attempt to shift the focus to grammatical mistakes and spelling errors. Now, if you have evidence to the contrary post it.

I just thought your spelling errors were funny. 😛

It humors me to think that people can be consistently lazy enough to either not check their spelling or even employ spell-check if needed.

But the idea of Plo Koon "suing" the Force sounds like something that would fit nicely into an Ahraelian-style Fan Fic. 😆

You've done a horrible job thus far of trying to prove they're different.

Your proof - according to your post, is that EL is related to Force Lightning (as you stated earlier is the same as Sith Lightning) and that EJ is related to Force lightning - same as the earlier power.

So you're telling me that Emerald Lightning and Electric Judgement are different, because they both share relation to Force Lightning.

Apparently Wookieepedia (which is no less credible than you at this point) states the same thing - that the Force ability known by two nicknames at two different time Periods, shares a common connection with Force lightning - but apart from that, it doesn't point out any significant differences, either.

So is this supposed to be a joke, or have you just been working really late and haven't had some good sleep in a while?

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Okay - so for your proof of EL being different - you're stating here that EL is "closely related to Sith lightning"

Yes. Which means it isn't Force lightning.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Okay - so for your proof of EJ being different - you're stating here that EJ is "closely related to Sith lightning"

No. I'm saying EJ is Force Lightning.

Originally posted by Battlemaster

Your proof - according to your post, is that EL is related to Force Lightning (as you stated earlier is the same as Sith Lightning) and that EJ is related to Force lightning - same as the earlier power.

So you're telling me that Emerald Lightning and Electric Judgement are different, because they both share relation to Force Lightning.

No. EJ is Force lightning, EL is not.

If they are merely 'related' to Force Lightning then they are not Force Lightning. Similarly I am related to my brother, but I'm not actually him.

True. But EJ is never stated to be related to lightning, rather Plo Koon says that it is force lightning.

Originally posted by ares834
No. EJ is Force lightning, EL is not.

Electric Judgement is Force lightning, Plo Koon admits as much to the Council. Emerald lightning is also Force lightning, albeit a different color.

Originally posted by ares834
Yes. Which means it isn't Force lightning.

Right - it's a variation of Force Lightning.

Originally posted by ares834
"This technique (Emerald Lightning) is closely related to Sith Lightning."

Originally posted by ares834

No. I'm saying EJ [b]is Force Lightning.[/B]

Originally posted by ares834
"Upon my return from Metellos, my use of force lightning was included in the report to the Council."
"Plo Koon was not only appointed to the Jedi Council but apparently succeeded in perfecting the technique known as Electric Judgment."

A variation of Force Lightning.

Originally posted by ares834

No. EJ is Force lightning, EL is not.

Again, you haven't conclusively proven this.

The Wook page seems to point out the same similarities of this power to Force Lightning - but can't find any differences to indicate they aren't the same power, with different nicknames depending on which Time Period the technique is used in.

ares834 thinks that Electric Judgement and Emerald Force Lightning aren't the same power, guys.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
[B]A variation of Force Lightning.

How do you come to this conclusion? Plo Koon straight up says that he used Force lightning not some force power related to. Once again, he directly states I used force lightning. Which would mean EJ is force lightning. This isn't rocket science here.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
ares834 thinks that Electric Judgement and Emerald Force Lightning aren't the same power, guys.

All of them are the same power, Plo Koon just adapted Force lighting into a light sided Jedi version and renamed it Electric Judgement. Emerald lightning is just another name for Force lightning, the Jedi would hardly refer to it as Sith lightning as it would imply negative use of the ability.

Originally posted by ares834
How do you come to this conclusion? Plo Koon straight up says that he used Force lightning not some force power related to. Once again, he directly states I used force lightning. Which would mean EJ is force lightning.

He said My Use - and his variation had a different color to it and different effects.

Originally posted by ares834

This isn't rocket science here.

Then you should be able to agree with obvious basic information - instead of arguing over it like a Star Wars Newbie.

What's next? You want to tell me that Han Solo's pants don't have a Correlian Blood Stripe on them?

Dear God, it's patently obvious from the text that "electric judgment" (stupid, stupid name) is Force lightning as wielded by Jedi and permissible for light side use. It stems from a sense of justice rather than a desire to inflict harm. Are they exactly the same? Perhaps not. Are they completely separate? No. It's the difference between a katana and a cutlass. At the end of the day, they're both swords. The fact that Plo Koon calls it Force lightning should end the argument.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
He said My Use - and his variation had a different color to it and different effects.

Plo Koon just adapted Force lighting into a light sided Jedi version and renamed it Electric Judgement.

Originally posted by Existentialist
The fact that Plo Koon calls it Force lightning should end the argument.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
All of them are the same power, Plo Koon just adapted Force lighting into a light sided Jedi version and renamed it Electric Judgement. Emerald lightning is just another name for Force lightning, the Jedi would hardly refer to it as Sith lightning as it would imply negative use of the ability.

Your description is correct - and they have the same Description here as yours.

Electric Judgement/Emerald Lightning is The lightside variation of Force Lightning.

The power known as Electric Judgement, or later as Emerald Lightning is Force lightning - I agree with that.

It's just the Light side variation of Force Lightning is all.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
He said My Use - and his variation had a different color to it and different effects.

Different effect? It makes the guy he used it on convulse as the lightning pours into him... In other words Plo zaps the guy. And if we want to bring up the colors argument then I would point out that Emerald lightning would be you know emerald... Clearly then it's not the same as EJ which appears to be orange.

There have been color variants in Force lightning across the mythos. Blue, purple, green, and red. It's still the same animal.

Originally posted by ares834
Different effect? It makes the guy he used it on convulse as the lightning pours into him... In other words Plo zaps the guy. And if we want to bring up the colors argument then I would point out that Emerald lightning would be you know emerald... Clearly then it's not the same as EJ which appears to be orange.

Sidious Force lightning is purple, but is clearly Force lightning. Your point?

Originally posted by Battlemaster
The power known as [strike]Electric Judgement, or later asp/strike] Emerald Lightning is Force lightning - I agree with that.

It's just the Light side variation of Force Lightning is all.

Except it's explicitly said in The Jedi Path that EL is related to Force lightning and is therefore not the same power.

Originally posted by ares834
Different effect? It makes the guy he used it on convulse as the lightning pours into him... In other words Plo zaps the guy.

Duh, and guess what? The guy lives - except he's incapacitated. Just like what Jacen did later on.

Originally posted by ares834

And if we want to bring up the colors argument then I would point out that Emerald lightning would be you know emerald... Clearly then it's not the same as EJ which appears to be orange.

Okay, and sometimes Sith Lightning is blue.

And sometimes it's white.

What's your point?