Mara Jade vs. Darth Sidious

Started by ares83421 pages

The problem is I'm unsure if you believe they are similar or the same. I agree with the former but not the latter. So which is it? I don't wish to argue with you if are beliefs are similar.

And no, I never conceded. I can't believe you actually thought that. I accidentally put emerald lightning rather than electric judgement. I even edited it once I realized the mistake...

Edit: And no I don't believe electric judgement is emerald lightning.

Originally posted by ares834
The problem is I'm unsure if you believe they are similar or the same. I agree with the former but not the latter. So which is it? I don't wish to argue with you if are beliefs are similar.

And no, I never conceded. I can't believe you actually thought that. I accidentally put emerald lightning rather than electric judgement. I even edited it once I realized the mistake...

Hmm? They're the same. 😎

Emerald Lightning is just another name for Electric Judgement, I thought you knew that.

Nah, not stated anywhere.

According to TEGttF, electric judgement is just force lightning. But according to Path of the Jedi Emerald lightning is related to but different from force lightning.

I can get quotes if wanted.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Hmm? They're the same. 😎

Emerald Lightning is just another name for Electric Judgement, I thought you knew that.

Electric Judgment is a very Jedi-like name tho.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah, not stated anywhere.

According to TEGttF, electric judgement is just force lightning. But according to Path of the Jedi Emerald lightning is related to but different from force lightning.

I can get quotes if wanted.

That's interesting - I've never heard of a source that claims Electric judgment and Emerald Lightning are two different powers.

Quotes, please. 😉

Well, you raised good points, so congratulations for the victory.
I bow to the man that managed to handle this woman. For she managed to provoke even Lord Lucien into long debate known for giving only occasional comments.

Obi-Wan still won because of his tactics.
Yes. Also, I think that Obi-Wan managed to equal him because he had real reason to fight for, to take care of pregnant Padme and responsibility to stop the one he personally trained, while Anakin had only aimless desire to kill his master.

Of course it was Dookus fault, he tried to use Dun Moch against Anakin and it just put him 'in the zone' where he proceeded to own him. 😆
I know. I am arguing that Makashi does not have weakness against Djem So.


Emerald Lightning is just another name for Electric Judgement, I thought you knew that.

Not necessary. In order to answer we need to know color of Plo Koon's lightning. In a game it is yellow but I wonder, if color was specified, when he actually used it canonically.

Another Kel Dor Koro Ziil used purely white lightning against Luke. That possibly was electric judgement as well.
And Luke's lightning killing Slayer was emerald, which makes it different.

Originally posted by Arhael
Not necessary. In order to answer we need to know color of Plo Koon's lightning. In a game it is yellow but I wonder, if color was specified, when he actually used it canonically.

Another Kel Dor Koro Ziil used purely white lightning against Luke. That possibly was electric judgement as well.
And Luke's lightning killing Slayer was emerald, which makes it different.

So, Sidious lightning was purple.

Originally posted by Arhael
I bow to the man that managed to handle this woman. For she managed to provoke even Lord Lucien into long debate known for giving only occasional comments.

I think this was aimed at me. Cheers (probably). 😄

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Quotes, please. 😉

"This technique (Emerald Lightning) is closely related to Sith Lightning."

Notice the words "closely related", this suggests a difference. The book then talks about how it springs from peace and justice and how it has another variant called Kinetite.

Now, in case you think Sith Lightning does not necessarily refer to force lightning the ESGttF says they are the same. "It (force lightning) was so long associated with the Sith that it was often referred to as Sith Lightning."

Originally posted by ares834
"This technique (Emerald Lightning) is closely related to Sith Lightning."

Notice the words "closely related", this suggests a difference. The book then talks about how it springs from peace and justice and how it has another variant called Kinetite.

Now, in case you think Sith Lightning does not necessarily refer to force lightning the ESGttF says they are the same. "It (force lightning) was so long associated with the Sith that it was often referred to as Sith Lightning."

I already knew Sith Lightning and Force Lightning were the same, that's basic stuff.

And we already know that Emerald Lightning is related to Sith Lightning, due to some of their similarities.

However, you failed to prove your claim that Emerald Lightning and Electric Judgement are two different powers.

All right cool. Just covering my bases in case you would attempt such an argument.

As for Elecrtic Judgement, Plo Koon talks awhile about how he sued Force Lightning to save a girl. Here is a single quote showing him mentioning it. "Upon my return from Metellos, my use of force lightning was included in the report to the Council."

He then mentions about how he will perfect it etc...

The narrator then states, "Plo Koon was not only appointed to the Jedi Council but apparently succeeded in perfecting the technique known as Electric Judgment."

Furthermore, all of this is found under the Force Lightning section in the ESG.

Plo Koons lightning stunned and rendered enemy unconscious.
Jacen's lightning, also, was only stunning and driving Vong back without killing.
Anakin Solo's waves of energy I don't even remember to be described as lightning, in any case it didn't kill anyone.
And Luke's lightning - the only lightning desciribed as "emerald" instantly killed Slayer.
Here is the difference. Electric Judgment doesn't kill, while Luke's does. There is no Judgment in killing someone. 😄

Originally posted by ares834
Plo Koon talks awhile about how he sued Force Lightning

Cool. Did he win?

I'd be interested to see what kind of lawyer the Force could hire for itself.

Originally posted by ares834

The narrator then states, "Plo Koon was not only appointed to the Jedi Council but apparently succeeded in perfecting the technique known as Electric Judgment."

Furthermore, all of this is found under the Force Lightning section in the ESG.

So? Then it's just related to Force Lightning, as Emerald Lightning is said to be.

Because they're the same.

First, where do you come to that conclusion.

Second, notice how Plo claims to have used force lightning but the narrator describes it as Electric Judgement. Sure, Plo may have perfected the technique but that doesn't mean the technique itself changed as it would still be Force lightning.

Originally posted by ares834
First, where do you come to that conclusion.

Second, notice how Plo claims to have used force lightning but the narrator describes it as Electric Judgement. Sure, Plo may have perfected the technique but that doesn't mean the technique itself changed as it would still be Force lightning.

Two different time periods, same power.

During Plo's time, it was EJ, during the NJO period, it was EL.

If you think this isn't correct, you aren't doing a very good job of proving otherwise.

And how about that court-case? Did Plo win?

I mean, how do you sue the Force?

I'm sure the Force wanted to sue Kreia for "Assault with intent to kill". 😛

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Two different time periods, same power.

During Plo's time, it was EJ, during the NJO period, it was EL.

If you think this isn't correct, you aren't doing a very good job of proving otherwise.

I just did. EJ is force lightning but EL isn't.

EL:

"This technique (Emerald Lightning) is closely related to Sith Lightning."

EJ:

"Upon my return from Metellos, my use of force lightning was included in the report to the Council."

"Plo Koon was not only appointed to the Jedi Council but apparently succeeded in perfecting the technique known as Electric Judgment."

I gave you quotes proving this. I thought you claimed you believed in canon. Funny how when it is brought up you continue to ignore it and attempt to shift the focus to grammatical mistakes and spelling errors. Now, if you have evidence to the contrary post it.

Luke's lightning clearly had different effect on Yuuzhan Vong, comparing to Jacen's. They can't be generalized into the same thing.

Yep.

BTW, when did NJO Jacen use his lightning again? Was it in Star by Star?

It was much later. Just before Verger sacrificed herself. In Destiny's way.