Mara Jade vs. Darth Sidious

Originally posted by ares834
How is he easily on par with NJO Jacen?

If he can take out Sidious like Mara can, and like many believe his NJO incarnation can, then he is easily on par with NJO Jacen.

It took Jacen years and years (Beyond NJO) to get to the point where he could challenge Sidious the way a NJO Kyle could.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That art is so bad.

Well, I kind of like it.

It is cool to see Kyle in more comics.. :3

Originally posted by Battlemaster
If he can take out Sidious like Mara can, and like many believe his NJO incarnation can, then he is easily on par with NJO Jacen.

It took Jacen years and years (Beyond NJO) to get to the point where he could challenge Sidious the way a NJO Kyle could.

Um. Where do you get the idea that Kyle Katarn can challenge Sidious?

That link to a thread from 6 years ago.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That link to a thread from 6 years ago.

Yah.

It gives a bit of insight into the minds of posters here, though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That link to a thread from 6 years ago.

Ah, seems like a reliable source.

Originally posted by ares834
Ah, seems like a reliable source.

No more or less reliable than yours.

You are, like they, a KMC Debator.

*Epic music*

Sorry to break it to you, but they were wrong. 😐

Originally posted by Gideon
Kyle would win. Palpatine, by Revenge of the Sith, was thirteen years out of practice - and relied heavily on his Force powers in a lot of cases. This wouldn't be an easy fight, as Kyle isn't certainly that far above Mace Windu or Yoda (if he is at all). But, for some reason (the ones that Advent has supplied) I am inclined to say that he would win.

Having said that -

Advent, there [B]is some proof to support the theory that Palpatine at least intended for Anakin to show up - whether or not he lost the fight intentionally remains to be seen.

Consider that Yoda, Palpatine's equal in the Force, was able to sense the deaths of the Jedi Masters when he was on Kashyyk, fighting against the Confederacy. In Attack of the Clones, Yoda also sensed when Anakin cut down the Tusken Raiders in retaliation for killing his mother.

Who's to say that Palpatine, who is firmly in touch with Anakin's emotions, wouldn't be able to feel the same thing - when they are on the same planet? Furthermore, this is supported when Palpatine contacts Anakin - via some sort of Force telepathy and says:

"You know, don't you, that if I die - any chance of saving her is lost."

Add in the factor that Palpatine is the supreme manipulator, it is easily possible.

And, as for the events in Return of the Jedi, Palpatine's ability to sense currents in the Force was beginning to diminish. Vader was still quite a bit weaker than him in the Force, but was able to sense Luke's presence on Endor where Palpatine couldn't.

Ironically, Palpatine was facing a smaller version of what Yoda and Mace were in the PT. However, he could still use the Force to predict things that Vader and Yoda couldn't, as he knew that Luke would turn himself over to Vader - and that Vader would bring Luke before him.

And, with Jerec, Jerec obviously can't use his ability to remove the Force from people against anybody. He was unable to use it against Kyle. Also, Palpatine cut Jerec off from Dark Side teachings - and given Jerec's ambition and cruelty - if he could use that power on someone who is more powerful than him, like Palpatine, he would have done so.

Which leads me to believe that he can only use it on people on par or weaker than himself.

Anyways, Kyle wins. But it's not an easy fight. [/B]

I legitimately lol'd.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sorry to break it to you, but they were wrong. 😐

Well it seems like a reasonable viewpoint.

Considering everything Kyle has been through, and that he's likely equal with his student, Mara Jade, or slightly better in some areas (TK comes to mind).

I agree with Zampano that a Peak and bloodlusted Mara could kill Sidious, and I also understand that a Peak Kyle could do the same.

Mara can only maybe contend with Sidious in very certain circumstances. She's nowhere near him in the Force or lightsaber and in a straight fight he would wreck her.

Likewise, Katarn got completely punked by Caedus. He is powerful, but not as much as you or the fossils in that thread believe.

Well, it looks like Darth Plagueis won his fight against Exar Kun. 😛

Time for his final opponent.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Mara can only maybe contend with Sidious in very certain circumstances. She's nowhere near him in the Force or lightsaber and in a straight fight he would wreck her.

Likewise, Katarn got completely punked by Caedus. He is powerful, but not as much as you or the fossils in that thread believe.

Well, we have a difference in opinion; but I certainly Respect yours.

We can at least agree that Katarn is more handsome than Sidious! 😆

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Well, we have a difference in opinion; but I certainly Respect yours.

Only because you cannot challenge it, peon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only because you cannot challenge it, peon.

😆

You know, you actually remind me of Lelouch.

Hehe, thats what I was going for.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hehe, thats what I was going for.

I know. 😉

Battlemaster,

God doesn't hate you because you're a fool.

You're a fool because God hates you.

Originally posted by Battlemaster

Kyle killed scores of Yuuzan Vong Elites on Ord Sedra - liberating the world from the Vong.

I didn't know Equals and Opposites, was a figment of my own imagination. Thanks, 'Tard. 😛

It's been a while since I read NJO so I forgot that bit about the Slayers, but considering NJO Kyle is easily on par with NJO Jacen, Peak Kyle could definitely destroy a trio of Slayers, whereas Kyp could not.

Now hurry up and get to Pre-school before you're late! 😉

(And don't forget your lunchbox)

So Arhael was right then and what you said about slayers you was making up.