Mara Jade vs. Darth Sidious

It is unavoidable. It is your destiny. You, like your profoundly-Retarded friend, are now mine. 😆

Originally posted by Battlemaster

It is unavoidable. It is your destiny. You, like your profoundly-Retarded friend, are now mine. 😆

How about a train?

Only as observer.

Originally posted by Arhael
I am not singing up for a sandwich.

What about if your boyfriend, Ray, wanted to sing with you?

Would you sing then? 😆

By the way, out of curiosity I read the fight of Luke and twins with Slayers. They used battle-meld on such level that they acted like single entity, so there is sort of Force harmony was involved. Also, Luke experienced state of oneness. That can be a reasonable explanation of why most of those Slayers were slain by him. In normal circumstances I think even three slayers would be too challenging for Luke.

Originally posted by Arhael
By the way, out of curiosity I read the fight of Luke and twins with Slayers. They used battle-meld on such level that they acted like single entity, so there is sort of Force harmony was involved. Also, Luke experienced state of oneness. That can be a reasonable explanation of why most of those Slayers were slain by him. In normal circumstances I think even three slayers would be too challenging for Luke.

Nah.

These modified warriors were so powerful that even Kyp Durron wasn't able to defeat one of them on Caluula, but the three Jedi proved that the Force was with them that day and were able to defeat several.

I have the book somewhere and it's been a while since I've read it, but I remember Jacen and Luke killing at least, 3 Slayer's, each.

Jacen wasn't One with the Force yet at that point, and he still cut down three Slayers with difficulty - something Kyp couldn't even do with one.

And this wasn't the powerful experienced version of Jacen (Caedus) that would come later.

I know NJO Kyle was at least as powerful as this fledgling learner.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
I know NJO Kyle was at least as powerful as this fledgling learner.

Prove it.

I mean they used battle-meld, which made them mutually stronger. I can't provide quotes as my book is in Hindi. 😄
Luke actually killed the most Salyers. There was 15 total of Slayers. Luke was described killing 8, Jacen 2 and Jaina 1, how other 4 died is unknown.
Also, Luke specifically achieved state of perfect calm, while fighting other Vong. So he had sort of preparation and warm up time.
What I mean is that, if there was no battle-meld and Luke didn't achieve state of oneness while killing countless other Vong prior to Slayers, I doubt that he would be able to handle even three slayers himself as easily.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Prove it.

Already have. 😎

You'll have to check the previous posts on Le thread. They're already there.

ABC logic much?

From Invincible:
For Caedus is a scion of both the Skywalker and Solo bloodlines whose command of the Force surpasses even that of his grandfather Darth Vader.

(Also said to be referenced by Luke specifically in the book)

So basically, Empowered-Jerec's power level is equal to Jacen, later in the series.

And Kyle defeated him when he was just a Neophyte.

Add 20 more years of development, and you still have someone equal to Vader (=NJO Jacen) or more powerful.

If you do the math, he should be more powerful.

But a conservative estimate, is just saying he's equal.

Yes, which fails in this case.

Consider:

Anakin>Dooku

Obi-Wan>Anakin

So...

Obi-Wan>Dooku(?)

Nope, it fails. ABC logic doesn't take into account other factors in fights.

Is a blurb canon? IIRC there have been other fallible statements made by blurbs.

I'd also like to see where you get the idea that Jerec is as powerful as Jacen, as well as where its implied that Jacen wasn't more powerful than Vader prior to becoming Darth Caedus.

Originally posted by ares834
ABC logic much?

Plus, not being mean - but I did have to explain to you in the past that Emerald Force Lightning was the lightside variation of lightning.

Before I helped you understand that, we were arguing about it for a time.

Just do research and math, and you'll get the results you need.

I wouldn't say so. Still I'd put Caedus above Vader.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Plus, not being mean - but I did have to explain to you in the past that Emerald Force Lightning was the lightside variation of lightning.

Before I helped you understand that, we were arguing about it for a time.

Just do research and math, and you'll get the results you need.

😕

I said Emerald "lightning" (notice the quotes), what Luke uses in the NJO books, didn't appear to be a form of force lightning. Hell, I'm still waiting for proof that it is.

Also lol at your failed attempt at poisoning the well.

Originally posted by ares834
Yes, which fails in this case.

Consider:

Anakin>Dooku

Obi-Wan>Vader

So...

Your understanding fails. Do more research.

Fixed.

Originally posted by ares834

Nope, it fails. ABC logic doesn't take into account other factors in fights.

Your lack of understanding is what fails.

Their swordsmanship is reasonably equal as well (NJO Kyle and Jacen)

If Kyle weren't the Temple Battlemaster (which I hope you know is a lightsaber Instructor) then that wouldn't be feasible, but considering Kyle's experience, skill and the similar ease in which he decimated his opponants, it's very reasonable to conclude their swordsmanship is on par.

Originally posted by ares834
😕

I said Emerald "lightning" (notice the quotes), what Luke uses in the NJO books, didn't appear to be a form of force lightning. Hell, I'm still waiting for proof that it is.

Also lol at your failed attempt at poisoning the well.

I'm pretty sure everyone here understands that it is.

My point is, that you aren't as well-immersed in the material as I am, and I've had to explain things to you in the past before.

You simply need to do more research with this.