Originally posted by carver9
I'm trying to debate here Pr...why so serious buddy?
It's not about being serious, it's about you pulling out the same, tired examples even though they've been disproven.
But i'm sure in a while you'll turn around and claim you forgot about the issue/panel, or claim that you had misread the issue or something.
I just have no interest in this merry-go-around anymore.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Stoic, first wanted to thank you for answering these 2 questions in a straightforward manner even admitting that you didn’t want to get into it. So major props for answering them, because a lot of people here avoid even simpler ones.Per your estimation, WBH was at least a 1000x stronger than Savage hulk whose base is a roughly equal to bi-Beast’s strength level which in your opinion is 3x more than Thor’s strength level.
I don’t think Thor starts off 1/3 the strength of Savage hulk because then he would never stand a chance against the Hulk whose strength is dynamic. I think Thor and Hulk are equal but Hulk gets stronger and raises his game past Thor.
So going by above, WBH is 1000x stronger than Savage hulk and then let’s say the HOM Hulk was 10x stronger then the WBH who fought the Bi-Beast, that’s still 10,000 stronger than Savage hulk, quite impressive.
Superman Wins..
A 3rd less than Thor's considering Sav Hulk having to amp in order to rise to base class 100. Thor initially is a good deal stronger than Savage Hulk as is Bi Beast. You understand now right. Thor is stronger.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not about being serious, it's about you pulling out the same, tired examples even though they've been disproven.But i'm sure in a while you'll turn around and claim you forgot about the issue/panel, or claim that you had misread the issue or something.
I just have no interest in this merry-go-around anymore.
We rarely if ever debate against each other though. I don't see the problem. I guess I will stay out of this topic as well. Disregard my post/comment.
Originally posted by -Pr-
[Superman] crashing in to a moon (which is more a durability feat according to some) is the best striking feat you've seen from him? Not killing Doomsday, breaking Darkseid's arm, one-shotting heralds at various times, or splitting a moon?
Don't know about the rest, but, assuming you're talking about Superman/Batman #13, Superman was sun-amped when he did that to Darkseid; it wasn't Superman as he normally is.
Originally posted by biensalsa
In the Dark Dimension time moves slower, Matter is weaker and the laws of reality do not apply to it.This has been stated at least in 3 comics.
This rules are as important as IC context.
Thats very big context. Thanks for letting me know. The feats still impressive but its lost a bit of weight to it.
Originally posted by carver9
We rarely if ever debate against each other though. I don't see the problem. I guess I will stay out of this topic as well. Disregard my post/comment.
Carver, we never "debate". I just end up spending time proving you wrong... I don't mean to be harsh.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Don't know about the rest, but, assuming you're talking about Superman/Batman #13, Superman was sun-amped when he did that to Darkseid; it wasn't Superman as he normally is.
...Yes, and?
Originally posted by carver9
WBH is significantly stronger than WWH who is at the minimum 5 Times stronger than Savage Hulk who is a peer to Thor and Superman based on fts. This isn't hard to understand unless we low ball Savage Hulk.
You're actually claiming that WWH is at least 5 times stronger than Savage at his strongest? Really?
Kara Kono catch.
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Source: Legion of Super-Heroes #17, Volume 5**
Writer: Mark Waid
Penciller: Barry Kitson
Date: June 2006
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Supergirl_and_the_Legion_of_Super-Heroes_Vol_1_17
Note that Kara not only moves faster but perceives the rest of the world to be moving slower
-- ONCE, that is, she herself is moving at speed to retrieve Invisible Kid's coke.
In other words, Kara's thinking and perception speed up when her body does .
Once she returns to normal speed, though, so do her thoughts and perceptions.
**Editor's note: Beginning with issue #16, Legion of Super-Heroes, Volume 5 , was temporarily RE-NAMED
" Supergirl & the Legion of Super-Heroes" in honor of its special guest star.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The instances I've seen of superfast perception required conscious decisions to FIRST move at speed. THEN perception followed.Not before.
Example, Kara catching Invisible Kid's "Kono" in a moment of Legion leisure time ...
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What does that have to do with him breaking Darkseid's arm?
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They're two separate points, P.R.
1. Superman is not normally shown strong enough to break the bones of top-tier metas unless he has some sort of boost.
That's why I pointed out what happened with Darkseid in S/B v1 #13.
2. Superman has to make the conscious decision to move at speed.
If he doesn't, he can be surprised AND KNOCKOUT PUNCHES LANDED ON HIM before he decides to "blitz".
That's why I pointed out the Kono catch of Legion v5 #17 by Supergirl, whose perceptions work on the same principle.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕They're two separate points, P.R.
1. Superman is not normally shown strong enough to break the bones of top-tier metas unless he has some sort of boost.
That's why I pointed out what happened with Darkseid in S/B v1 #13.
2. Superman has to make the conscious decision to move at speed.
If he doesn't, he can be surprised AND KNOCKOUT PUNCHES LANDED ON HIM before he decides to "blitz".That's why I pointed out the Kono catch of Legion v5 #17 by Supergirl, whose perceptions work on the same principle.
I think it depends on the meta, tbh.
The problem with your second point, is that Superman hasn't been portrayed consistently in that regard. His perceptions have been shown to be similar to what you've said, but also they've been shown to be incredibly fast too.