Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your crazy dude..
Yeah, using my brain and science is some 'crazy shit', man.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wait you the same guy who was saying Movie Superman is slow and weak becase we didn't see him punch at super speed and because the Bus hit him really slowly? Lol
No. That was not me. 😐
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Using your brain and science to judge which comic book movie hero is faster based on the speed of the stuntmen used is over analyzing.
No, that would be incorrect.
If you wanted to be correct, you would have said this:
"Using your brain and science to judge which movie character is faster, based on onscreen feats; which used heavy editing, aftereffects, and CGI; would determine which movie character is faster within the confines and rules of the Movie Versus Forum."
Now why would we do a frame by frame to see who is faster, onscreen?
Oh, right...because you claimed Captain America was faster than Ozymandias.
So when someone offers to definitively prove you wrong (we have already been down the road with gauging Ozymandias' speed in the MvF, in the past, when it was a matchup with HitGirl or something), all of a sudden, the discussion now becomes over-analyzed.
Originally posted by dadudemonOh, right...because you claimed Captain America was faster than Ozymandias.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
is that surprising?
hes already said Caps a better fighter because he was in the military 😐
Wow. Two plain out Lies in a row. Did your Mom's never teach you not to lie!
For the record what I actually said was it would be foolish to think a Soldier and Shield agent could not fight, and that Cap running after a car and plane can obviously move faster than Nite Owl, Comedian and Rorschach.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that would be incorrect.If you wanted to be correct, you would have said this:
"Using your brain and science to judge which movie character is faster, based on onscreen feats; which used heavy editing, aftereffects, and CGI; would determine which movie character is faster within the confines and rules of the Movie Versus Forum."
Now why would we do a frame by frame to see who is faster, onscreen?
Originally posted by juggerman
So now we're taking away movie feats now?
No. All I've used are movie feats. Movie feats are things like Cap chasing a car, holding up a motorbike plus 3 people with ease, or Ozy catching a bullet.
Over analyzing is freeze framing shots of stunt men work and choreography to see which punch was faster.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Over analyzing is freeze framing shots of stunt men work and choreography to see which punch was faster.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that would be incorrect.If you wanted to be correct, you would have said this:
"Using your brain and science to judge which movie character is faster, based on onscreen feats; which used heavy editing, aftereffects, and CGI; would determine which movie character is faster within the confines and rules of the Movie Versus Forum."
Now why would we do a frame by frame to see who is faster, onscreen?
Oh, right...because you claimed Captain America was faster than Ozymandias.
So when someone offers to definitively prove you wrong (we have already been down the road with gauging Ozymandias' speed in the MvF, in the past, when it was a matchup with HitGirl or something), all of a sudden, the discussion now becomes over-analyzed.
Originally posted by dadudemon
0 wins out of 10. Mostly because he is hopelessly outclassed.Even if we bumped it up to 1000 fights, it would still be 0 wins for Steve. There is no hope of Steve even landing a hit. That's the main problem.
That's a pretty ridiculous assessment. Ozy was never shown to be an untouchable speedster. If he was the Comedian fight wouldn't have lasted anywhere near as long as it did, and Ozy would not have been invloved in any H2H combat at all.
Is Ozy faster based on movie feats and portrayals? Yes of course he is.
But claiming Cap doesn't have a hope of even landing one hit and therefore even getting 1 win out of a thousand is over rating the speed factor here to insane levels.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
No its not ridiculous.
only reason comedian lasted as long as he did was because he himself was an amazing fighter also farrrr better than cap & was still viciously beaten
True that fight between the Comedian and Ozy was simply Ozy countering everything he threw at him whilst slowly breaking him down.
It was personal. Ozy has no history with Cap.
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnAfter re-watching the Avengers Cap would turn Comedian inside out.
No its not ridiculous.
only reason comedian lasted as long as he did was because he himself was an amazing fighter also farrrr better than cap & was still viciously beaten
I'm not sure about Ozy, but I'm pretty sure Cap could beat Rorsh, Night Owl, and Comedian all at the same time.
Originally posted by juggerman✅
WHAT!!!!!!???????? ❌
The only time any of the Watchmen faced someone close to Cap in stats was Ozzy, and they all got destroyed.
Cap is also a better H2H fighter than people are giving him credit for. In the Avengers we clearly see him perform very well H2H and perform very acrobatic maneuvers while in combat.
Originally posted by Newjak
✅The only time any of the Watchmen faced someone close to Cap in stats was Ozzy, and they all got destroyed.
Cap is also a better H2H fighter than people are giving him credit for. In the Avengers we clearly see him perform very well H2H and perform very acrobatic maneuvers while in combat.
Why do people assume Cap had great H2H skills in Avengers and CA?
He was a stuntman during the siege of New York. Running through explosions and his takedown of the bombers was pretty lanky compared to the stuff comic fans are used too.
His fight against the HYDRA agents on the plane was pretty unimpressive and his best scene was blocking an aerial blast then defeating those two Chitauri atop the police car. Which showed immense strength and intuition but not skill.
His fighting skills against Loki were laughable. Even Black Widow said his style was "all over the place".
Night Owl and Rorshach were both breaking bones with punches iirc and Comedian punched a chunk of brick off the wall when fighting Ozy without the least bit of discomfort.
These guys are strong as heck and all were very skilled fighters. Comedian imo did better than Dan and Walter against Ozy since it seemed that Ozy focused more and was actually trying to kill him as opposed to talking and holding back like he did against the two and Comedian still lasted a while.
Cap has some fighting skill i think we can all agree on that. But he has not shown any fighting skill comparable to any of the Watchmen. Given that all the Watchmen are much superior fighters and at the very least have some what comparable strength it is a huge strech to say Cap can take more than one at a time let alone 3
Originally posted by the ninjakHe actually took down three of them on the Cop Car. Took down a whole group (5-6) of them easily when he stopped them from throwing a grenade on a crowd.
Why do people assume Cap had great H2H skills in Avengers and CA?He was a stuntman during the siege of New York. Running through explosions and his takedown of the bombers was pretty lanky compared to the stuff comic fans are used too.
His fight against the HYDRA agents on the plane was pretty unimpressive and his best scene was blocking an aerial blast then defeating those two Chitauri atop the police car. Which showed immense strength and intuition but not skill.His fighting skills against Loki were laughable. Even Black Widow said his style was "all over the place".
He was even able to jump up and place himself completely behind his shield before the Gernade went off.
He was skilled and acrobatic in the Avengers.
Just because Cap wasn't flashy doesn't mean he was terrible. He was obviously meant to be a great fighter which is what he showed.
Also it wasn't like Loki was an unskilled fighter. We see in Thor/Avengers he is very capable in H2H/Melee/Range combat.
Add to the fact that he is bullet proof and much stronger than a normal being then it's not exactly a bad showing for Cap to be losing to someone like that.
Loki would have torn the entire cast of Watchmen, Minus Dr. M, apart.
Originally posted by juggermanNormal Human beings can break Bone and I've seen the video it wasn't brick that Comedian broke through. And even if it was it's still something a normal human being could do.
Night Owl and Rorshach were both breaking bones with punches iirc and Comedian punched a chunk of brick off the wall when fighting Ozy without the least bit of discomfort.These guys are strong as heck and all were very skilled fighters. Comedian imo did better than Dan and Walter against Ozy since it seemed that Ozy focused more and was actually trying to kill him as opposed to talking and holding back like he did against the two and Comedian still lasted a while.
Cap has some fighting skill i think we can all agree on that. But he has not shown any fighting skill comparable to any of the Watchmen. Given that all the Watchmen are much superior fighters and at the very least have some what comparable strength it is a huge strech to say Cap can take more than one at a time let alone 3
Obviously they are better than humans but not by much and definitely not to the same extent Cap was. Or are you forgetting that Rosharch got taken by a police force something that would have never happened to Cap in the same Scenario.
They aren't comparable to any degree to what Cap has shown in terms of physical stats. The only person who has is Ozy.