Ozymandias vs Captain America

Ok i don't know when some people are going here but my stance is that Cap is stronger than any of the Watchmen save Dr. Blue Balls. While he is clearly stronger i don't think his strength towers over them as some here seem to believe.

His strength advantage is more than "slight" but certainly less than "completely outclassed" The comparasion i would make would be "Blade vs Nomak". The reason being Nomak was clearly the stronger of the two but Blades superior skill kept him in the game

Cap is not one shotting any of these guys and here's why: Ozy's strength is more comparable to Cap's then anyone else yet it still took him several hits to put down Comedian (he had absolutly no reason to hold back here and he still didn't KO him) and also Dan has shown to have a degree of super strength imo yet Ozy willingly took several full power strikes to the face and still was fine. These guys have some amazing durability

Now the strength thing aside (whether you agree with me or not) this fight really comes down to fighting skill. Whether you want to admit it or not Ozy can hurt Cap. With enough damage he can put Cap down. He has shown skill vastly superior to anything Cap has shown and had speed to dodge/parry anything Cap has to offer by his showings. I in no way think Cap is a push over but he is crazy out classed here due to Ozy's skills and Cap's lack there of

I give Ozy 8.5/10 and im taking into account that Steve might get lucky here

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There haven't been any strength feats from those 3 that even approach Caps.

Wrong. Read the thread.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What's their greatest lifting feat? When did they send guys flying all over the place.

Read the thread.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Don't give me that I haven't been paying attention crap.

You clearly have not been paying attention. That or you are doing the "versus debate" troll tactics #3: pretend the evidence presented was never presented.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Tell me what's their greatest lifting feat.

Read the thread.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And yes Rorschach got subdued by just a few policemen in the end. It was only 2 or 3 holding him when he was unmasked.

Wrong. The video clearly proves you wrong.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And when he hit them they didn't exactly go flying.

Wrong. The video clearly proves you wrong.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Cap would have been throwing those guys all over the place.

Wrong. The movie clearly proves you wrong.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Jeez the Watchmen wanking has gone into overdrive now.

Wrong. Captain America wanking has gone into overdrive by you.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If Batman was in Watchmen you'd be telling me he's as strong as Steve too.

If he had the same feats, sure!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[BAnd btw Nite Owl is just a poor man's Batman. [/B]

Daniel Dreiberg IS poorer than batman, for sure.

So we have a clear-cut case of your ignoring onscreen feats because you cannot deal with the reality that you Steve Rogers wanking simply isn't enough to overcome an ambiguously gay Super Genius of epic pizzaz.

You clearly have not been paying attention. That or you are doing the "versus debate" troll tactics #3: pretend the evidence presented was never presented.

😆 what are the other "troll tactics"? I think it's important we all have this list!

Originally posted by juggerman
😆 what are the other "troll tactics"? I think it's important we all have this list!

It's just stuff I make up.

I could make an official list...but I am too lazy.

Which is vs. debate troll tactics #4: when asked to do anything at all towards substantiation, do not do anything and claim laziness.

That tactic can often be confused for true laziness, though: I and Nemebro can claim true laziness. 😐

You know I keep looking for the Alley Fight scene for Night Owl and th Silk Spectre. I've been holding off posting until I find it again the only one I've been able to find is the Prison Fight scene with them.

They were hardly Superhuman in that scene. I know their best feats were in the alley scene but I also don't remember them doing way more drastic things in that fight either besides the broken bone thing.

I would like to see the alley scene again if anyone can post it?

Mostly when it comes to the bone breaking scene I'm going off of memory which isn't always the best source.

It's just stuff I make up.

I could make an official list...but I am too lazy.

Which is vs. debate troll tactics #4: when asked to do anything at all towards substantiation, do not do anything and claim laziness.

That tactic can often be confused for true laziness, though: I and Nemebro can claim true laziness.

😆

I actually want to change my example i made earlier from "Blade vs Nomak" to "Hellboy vs Prince Nuada" since Nuada's skill and combat speed made it vurtually impossible for Hellboy to land a single blow (except for some sneaky moves iirc). So Hellboy's superior strength really meant nothing just like Cap's would

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wrong. Read the thread.

Read the thread.

You clearly have not been paying attention. That or you are doing the "versus debate" troll tactics #3: pretend the evidence presented was never presented.

Read the thread.

Wrong. The video clearly proves you wrong.

Wrong. The video clearly proves you wrong.

Wrong. The movie clearly proves you wrong.

Wrong. Captain America wanking has gone into overdrive by you.

If he had the same feats, sure!

Daniel Dreiberg IS poorer than batman, for sure.

So we have a clear-cut case of your ignoring onscreen feats because you cannot deal with the reality that you Steve Rogers wanking simply isn't enough to overcome an ambiguously gay Super Genius of epic pizzaz.

Right great, so even though I've had to continually repeat Cap's feats to get through to you, you can't just name one strength feat of Rorschach's or NiteOwls thats compares. Or speed feat that compares to Cap moving fast enough to chase cars and planes.

Yeah great debate 👆

And your video proves nothing for you except your wanking of Rorschach.

He was crapping his pants in that scene where the police had the building surrounded. He needed to use flame throwers and all sorts of weapons just to get out of the building where in the confined space he didn't have to face more than a couple of cops at a time.

He never sent anyone flying through the air with one hit the way Cap does.

And he was held by 2 or 3 people at most.

Your video is proving your own case completely false, so I'm not sure why you posted it. Why don't you post Rorschach's apparent strength feats that compares to Caps??

Oh right, because they don't actually exist.

Yeah like I said nice debate 👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Right great, so even though I've had to continually repeat Cap's feats to get through to you,

You haven't. But it makes it more dramatic if you think you did, right?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
you can't just name one strength feat of Rorschach's or NiteOwls thats compares.

It's unnecessary for me to mention anything that hasn't already been posted.

If I were to repeat the same point over and over (that has already been posted in this thread multiple times), that could be a considered a form of trolling.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Or speed feat that compares to Cap moving fast enough to chase cars and planes.

I'll be honest with you: he wasn't running at super human speeds, Darthy, when he did both of those chases. It's too bad: he's not any faster than a well-trained athlete. 🙁

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah great debate 👆

It wasn't much. It just comprised of your throwing a fit, ignoring feats, and you demanding arguments be recycled.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And your video proves nothing for you except your wanking of Rorschach.

Well, actually, it proved my points and showed you were ignoring feats. 🙂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He was crapping his pants in that scene where the police had the building surrounded.

If you think that, then you did not comprehend what was happening, at all.

I'll explain it to you: he was raging because he realized he was tricked and his investigation into the real perp behind all the happenings was going to get away with it. Rorschach's journey was coming to an end.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He needed to use flame throwers and all sorts of weapons just to get out of the building where in the confined space he didn't have to face more than a couple of cops at a time.

Yeah, the cops didn't have body armor, batons, and fully-automatic guns or anything. Rorscach obviously had a full-fledged flame-thrower and it wasn't a small aerosol can with a a few matches:

Oh, and, he did not face anymore than 2 cops at a time: all of them definitely did not have their guns pointed out him and no more than 2 were trying to subdue him at any given time (hint, there are only 2 cops in the screenshot, below):

BTW, all of that is sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He never sent anyone flying through the air with one hit the way Cap does.

You're right: that cop jumped back and smashed himself against three cops (oops, I meant just 1 cop because there was only 2 cops trying to subdue him, at a time, remember?)

and knock them all (oops, just one) back against the wall just from force of his impact:

That was all also sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And he was held by 2 or 3 people at most.

You're right: it took only 2 or 3 cops to subdue him.

That was also sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your video is proving your own case completely false,

Yes, clearly, my video proved me "false".

That was sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
so I'm not sure why you posted it.

Yes, there was no point to posting that video, at all.

That was sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Why don't you post Rorschach's apparent strength feats that compares to Caps??

I did not do that already.

That was sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh right, because they don't actually exist.

You're right, they don't actually exist.

That was sarcasm.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah like I said nice debate 👆

Indeed: you have utterly destroyed my arguments.

That was sarcasm, too.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You haven't. But it makes it more dramatic if you think you did, right?

Lol just on the last page:

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Here for the hundreth time:

Cap lifts a motorbike and 3 women easily for an extended period of time. Cap punches through a Submarine. Cap sends people flying with a slight hit. Where on Earth did Comedian, Ozy, Rorscach, Nightowl show strength even close to that. And where did any of them show movement fast enough to chase cars and even planes??

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's unnecessary for me to mention anything that hasn't already been posted.

Because you can't prove it. There's nothing on Rorsachach's or NiteOwl strength feats that even come close to approaching Cap's.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If I were to repeat the same point over and over (that has already been posted in this thread multiple times), that could be a considered a form of trolling.

Nothing was posted that clearly stood out as competing with Cap's strength feats. Your making excuses. Either I or other posters have posted Cap's strength feats on almost every page now. Whilst these apparent Rorschach strength feats which are on the same level are no where to be seen.

I just quoted a few of Cap's strength feats for you again. It took about 5 seconds.

So I ask you one last time, and if you don't answer I'll accept your concession. What is Rorschach's greatest lifting feat? And we will compare it Cap lifting 3 women on a motorcycle for an extended period with absolute ease.

(See that, I just mentioned his lifting feat which none of the Watchmen(besides Dr. M) can match. Again! Lol. Whilst all you will give is, it's been posted. Yes this miraculous non-existent lifting feat of Rorschach's is apparently on the thread somewhere. And it's so good, you can't even once repeat how great it is.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll be honest with you: he wasn't running at super human speeds, Darthy, when he did both of those chases. It's too bad: he's not any faster than a well-trained athlete. 🙁

Oh there's no hope here. No hope at all.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll explain it to you: he was raging because he realized he was tricked and his investigation into the real perp behind all the happenings was going to get away with it. Rorschach's journey was coming to an end.

Lol And the wank fest increases. The guy was shitting his pants because he knew he was royally screwed. And guess what? He was. He got humiliated by being unmasked on public TV. Whilst held by an amazing 2 cops who apparently have the strength to hold someone with the same strength as Caps.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, the cops didn't have body armor, batons, and fully-automatic guns or anything. Rorscach obviously had a full-fledged flame-thrower and it wasn't a small aerosol can with a a few matches:

Oh the cops were had guns and batons. Wow I'm really impressed someone who apparently has superhuman strength and amazing combat skills beat those odds using any weapon he could get hold of.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You don't think using an aerosol to make a flame thrower is a pretty desperate move??

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, and, he did not face anymore than 2 cops at a time: all of them definitely did not have their guns pointed out him and no more than 2 were trying to subdue him at any given time (hint, there are only 2 cops in the screenshot, below):

Lol It was a confined space with most of them standing behind each other. And still Rorschach had to jump out of the window to escape them. Another desperate move. That scene was full of desperate moves.

Once he was surrounded we saw what happened. He was finished.

Originally posted by dadudemon
BTW, all of that is sarcasm.

Not really working for anyone who's seen that scene, and seen what Cap can do.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're right: that cop jumped back and smashed himself against three cops (oops, I meant just 1 cop because there was only 2 cops trying to subdue him, at a time, remember?)

LOL. He just kicked him down the stairs! The cops were behind each other. Since when do you need Super Human strength to do that LOL. Let alone Strength even approaching Cap's level?!

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're right: it took only 2 or 3 cops to subdue him.

Count how many men had him pinned down when they publicly humiliated him by taking his mask off. And he was crying LOL.

And before that he was hitting them one by one. Show me where any of them went flying through the air the way Cap sends them flying. Hint: None of them did.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed: you have utterly destroyed my arguments.

It's pretty easy when your posting all the evidence against your arguments yourself HaHaHa

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol just on the last page:

"lol", you have not "had to" repost those feats, continually. Read my post, again. You are choosing to repost them because you're trolling. No one has asked you. No one has disputed. You are only doing so because "spam."

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because you can't prove it.

What are you, a kindergartner? 😬

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There's nothing on Rorsachach's or NiteOwl strength feats that even come close to approaching Cap's.

Wrong. Proved this, already. Ignore more, but it won't change it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nothing was posted that clearly stood out as competing with Cap's strength feats.

Wrong. Rorschach, with a single hit, knocked a police officer about 6 feet into 3 other officers. That cop's inertia was so great that it also knocked back 3 other officers, 3-4 feat, who then, all four, smacked up against the wall (meaning there was further inertia still left over). That was seen in the video, that was screen-shotted for you, and yet, you still deny it. Stop trolling."

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your making excuses.

I made no excuses. I provided evidence and took screen shots.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Either I or other posters have posted Cap's strength feats on almost every page now.

A waste of time, I would add.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst these apparent Rorschach strength feats which are on the same level are no where to be seen.

"Wrong. Rorschach, with a single hit, knocked a police officer about 6 feet into 3 other officers. That cop's inertia was so great that it also knocked back 3 other officers, 3-4 feat, who then, all four, smacked up against the wall (meaning there was further inertia still left over). That was seen in the video, that was screen-shotted for you, and yet, you still deny it. Stop trolling.""

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I just quoted a few of Cap's strength feats for you again. It took about 5 seconds.

"You have not 'had to' repost those feats, continually. You are choosing to repost them because you're trolling. No one has asked you. No one has disputed. You are only doing so because 'spam.'"

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So I ask you one last time, and if you don't answer I'll accept your concession. What is Rorschach's greatest lifting feat? And we will compare it Cap lifting 3 women on a motorcycle for an extended period with absolute ease.

"Rorschach, with a single hit, knocked a police officer about 6 feet into 3 other officers. That cop's inertia was so great that it also knocked back 3 other officers, 3-4 feat, who then, all four, smacked up against the wall (meaning there was further inertia still left over). That was seen in the video, that was screen-shotted for you, and yet, you still deny it. Stop trolling."

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
(See that, I just mentioned his lifting feat which none of the Watchmen(besides Dr. M) can match.

Wrong. Multiple feats have been listed and you ignored them. Captain America does not have a strength feat that matches kicking someone, into the air and in an arch, from a stand-still, 20-30 feat. Nor does he have a feat of tanking, similar hits. Based on combat strength feats, Captain America is actually inferior, by far, to Ozymandias.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Again! Lol.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst all you will give is, it's been posted.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes this miraculous non-existent lifting feat of Rorschach's is apparently on the thread somewhere.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And it's so good, you can't even once repeat how great it is.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh there's no hope here. No hope at all.

Indeed. You constantly ignoring feats makes it impossible for you to admit fault and concede. I guess you’ll just have to realize that there was no fancy “speed-up” work done with playback and it was actually a very-much-in-shape actor running. 🙁 There’s no hope if you believe it was sped up.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol And the wank fest increases. The guy was shitting his pants because he knew he was royally screwed. And guess what? He was. He got humiliated by being unmasked on public TV.

Here’s what actually happened:
“He was raging because he realized he was tricked and his investigation into the real perp behind all the happenings was going to get away with it. Rorschach's journey was coming to an end.”

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst held by an amazing 2 cops who apparently have the strength to hold someone with the same strength as Caps.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh the cops were had guns and batons. Wow I'm really impressed someone who apparently has superhuman strength and amazing combat skills beat those odds using any weapon he could get hold of.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You don't think using an aerosol to make a flame thrower is a pretty desperate move??

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol It was a confined space with most of them standing behind each other.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And still Rorschach had to jump out of the window to escape them. Another desperate move. That scene was full of desperate moves.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Once he was surrounded we saw what happened. He was finished.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not really working for anyone who's seen that scene, and seen what Cap can do.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL. He just kicked him down the stairs!

This:
"Rorschach, with a single hit, knocked a police officer about 6 feet into 3 other officers. That cop's inertia was so great that it also knocked back 3 other officers, 3-4 feat, who then, all four, smacked up against the wall (meaning there was further inertia still left over). That was seen in the video, that was screen-shotted for you, and yet, you still deny it. Stop trolling."
Watch the video, again.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The cops were behind each other.

This:
None were standing behind anyone except for the very front dude. Screen shot proves that.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Since when do you need Super Human strength to do that LOL.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Let alone Strength even approaching Cap's level?!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Count how many men had him pinned down when they publicly humiliated him by taking his mask off. And he was crying LOL.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And before that he was hitting them one by one.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Show me where any of them went flying through the air the way Cap sends them flying.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hint: None of them did. ]

Hint: you’re wrong, did not watch the video I posted, and/or did not pay attention.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's pretty easy when your posting all the evidence against your arguments yourself HaHaHa

NOt that I agree with everything Darth is saying but saying that the Swat team from watchmen is better than Soldiers from Captain America is kind of lame on your part dadudemon. If anything them being soldiers should make them better than Swat team members not that it matters.

Also it may have taken multiple swat members to take him down but once down it did only take 2 or 3 to easily restrain him. I think that's what he is trying to say. If Rorsh was superhuman he would have easily brushed off three men holding him down easily.

Also since you seem to have all the video clips could you post the video of Night Owl and Silk Specter fighting in the alley? I can not find it anywhere.

Originally posted by Newjak
NOt that I agree with everything Darth is saying but saying that the Swat team from watchmen is better than Soldiers from Captain America is kind of lame on your part dadudemon.

Wrong.

SWAT Teams are much more highly trained for suburban building assault than the millions of Nazi and Axis power soldiers deployed in WWII. It is an extreme exaggeration to put them anywhere near SWAT Team capabilities ... especially a team that was assembled and planned for taking out a known superhuman.

Originally posted by Newjak
If anything them being soldiers should make them better than Swat team members not that it matters.

That's incorrect. We are talking about WWII soldiers vs. tactical police forces that built their tactics off of urban warfare from wars such as WWII.

It's like comparing tic-tac-toe to Chess. Sure, they are similar in that they are both strategic "placement" games. But the level of complexity is much different.

Case-in-point: the soldiers (hydra/nazi) in Captain America showed hardly any strategy. Their tactical methods consisted of point and shoot...duck and dodge. If there were more clips on youtube, I could show this difference...but they are sparse, for some reason.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also it may have taken multiple swat members to take him down but once down it did only take 2 or 3 to easily restrain him.

No, it took 3 or 4 to hold him down. One man on each arm, one on his shoulders. Rorschach also was in a seated position so eh could not use his legs, ether.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think that's what he is trying to say.

He's not. He said "subdue". He has shown that ne knows what that word means.

If he meant 'hold him down once he was subdued', he would have said so.

Originally posted by Newjak
If Rorsh was superhuman he would have easily brushed off three men holding him down easily.

That's not necessarily true. The strongly depends upon the level of superhuman-ness. If we are talking about a superhuman that is just marginally better than a human (consider about 2 times above peak human), then it would not be possible. If you consider that his arms were held out, but one man, while being beat down, it is not hard to imagine that a 1-2 lifter, like Rorschach, could be subdued by humans (remember, it was 6 that did the subduing but once they had him pinned, only 3 to 4 had to hold him in place).

Originally posted by Newjak
Also since you seem to have all the video clips could you post the video of Night Owl and Silk Specter fighting in the alley? I can not find it anywhere.

Nor can I. I do not have the movie on Blu-ray, either. It is forever lost until someone uploads it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wrong.

SWAT Teams are much more highly trained for suburban building assault than the millions of Nazi and Axis power soldiers deployed in WWII. It is an extreme exaggeration to put them anywhere near SWAT Team capabilities ... especially a team that was assembled and planned for taking out a known superhuman.

That's incorrect. We are talking about WWII soldiers vs. tactical police forces that built their tactics off of urban warfare from wars such as WWII.

It's like comparing tic-tac-toe to Chess. Sure, they are similar in that they are both strategic "placement" games. But the level of complexity is much different.

Case-in-point: the soldiers (hydra/nazi) in Captain America showed hardly any strategy. Their tactical methods consisted of point and shoot...duck and dodge. If there were more clips on youtube, I could show this difference...but they are sparse, for some reason.

No, it took 3 or 4 to hold him down. One man on each arm, one on his shoulders. Rorschach also was in a seated position so eh could not use his legs, ether.

He's not. He said "subdue". He has shown that ne knows what that word means.

If he meant 'hold him down once he was subdued', he would have said so.

That's not necessarily true. The strongly depends upon the level of superhuman-ness. If we are talking about a superhuman that is just marginally better than a human (consider about 2 times above peak human), then it would not be possible. If you consider that his arms were held out, but one man, while being beat down, it is not hard to imagine that a 1-2 lifter, like Rorschach, could be subdued by humans (remember, it was 6 that did the subduing but once they had him pinned, only 3 to 4 had to hold him in place).

Nor can I. I do not have the movie on Blu-ray, either. It is forever lost until someone uploads it.

You really think there is that big a difference???

Now while I do agree that Swat members do train for urban style tactics more Soldiers are trained for Urban combat as well. Acting like there is such a large disparity in ability based solely on setting by profession is incorrect.

Also the mentality of the Hydra agents only displayed point and shoot tactics is in itself a bad idea. We know for a fact that those same Hydra Agents were able to capture many US men. Also the Swat team in essence showed the same 'point and shoot' tactics as the hydra agents. Basically all they did was line up and attempt to shoot Rorsh until Rorsh was in plain view then I they just threw themselves at him until they overpowered him. Not exactly expertly executed and planned maneuvers.

Also when you say 1-2 lifter you mean tons? So I will ask you to think of an animal than can move and lift 1-2 tons and ask you to think about how 2-4 humans could overpower said animal.

The animal I can think as close would probably be a bear and a full grown bear with that kind of strength is not getting overpowered by 4 humans.

That sucks about the video 😛

Anyways based on what I've seen I still don't think the 3 Watchmen we are discussing Night Owl, Rorsh, Comedian should be considered Superhuman at least not in the same vein as Captain America.

Everything they did a well built well trained Human being could do. Now I will admit there is a certain oomph they posses that would be hard for a normal human to duplicate but the feats themselves are still squarely with human range.

Let's actually break it down by their best feats.

Rorsh: Kicking the man back into the other cops
-A good feet but you could hit a man into a group of people causing them to fall backwards into a wall. I've seen it happen before where someone goes flying into a group of people after being being pushed and everyone kind of falls over.

Night Owl: Breaking a person's bone.
-I've already pointed out how a normal human being has broken his own leg by kicking someone else, I'm sure you can find other examples as well.

Comedian: Punching through a tile wall
-I don't know why this keeps getting brought. Honestly out of the three feats mentioned this is the least impressive. I don't know how you get the idea tile is so durable but human beings can punch through cinder blocks and bricks and wooden boards. Tile is not out of that range. Plus we can clearly see that when the Comedian Punches through the wall it's basically dry-wall and plaster. I've punched through a wall like that.

Now once again the oomph and ease they did it with was impressive, but not out of the range of what a human being can do.

Let's compare it to one of Captain America's feats though, I wouldn't call it his best feat either.

When he lifts the motor cycle over his head with the 3-4 woman sitting on it. That's probably at least 900 pounds maybe up to 1100 pounds he is doing that with. Even if you want to be conservative and say that it was only 700 pounds, that's being very conservative to, it's extremely impressive.

How impressive? Well every time I tried to find an overhead press record it generally falls into the realm of 550 plus pounds being the biggest numbers I find. We're talking the strongest men in the world using items made for lifting struggling to keep the weight above the head for a full one second lockout.

While Captain America could have been doing roughly twice as much weight, using items that are harder to lift and maintain balance, and doing it without breaking a sweat.

That's the big difference between Captain America and the three from Watchmen everything they did in the Watchmen could have been done by a human being even if it would have been difficult while Captain America did things no human being has even come close to doing much less with the ease he did it with.

IMO the difference in strength isn't close between Cap and the rest of the Watchmen based on that.

Originally posted by dadudemon

He's not. He said "subdue". He has shown that ne knows what that word means.

So clearly you missed this:

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Count how many men had him pinned down when they publicly humiliated him

Originally posted by dadudemon
"

Wrong. Rorschach, with a single hit, knocked a police officer about 6 feet into 3 other officers. That cop's inertia was so great that it also knocked back 3 other officers, 3-4 feat, who then, all four, smacked up against the wall (meaning there was further inertia still left over). That was seen in the video, that was screen-shotted for you, and yet, you still deny it. Stop trolling."

LOL Thats your strength feat! HAHAHA.. He kicked him down the stairs. A hard hit by human standards? Sure. Super human. Nah. Anything even close to Cap's strength feats? Nah.

Oh and where's the lifting feat I asked for btw??

Oh that's right.. Doesn't exist.

You've lost the feat war here. As in seriously lost big time. Move on. Lets get back to Ozy where strength might actually be comparable.

Ok let's drop the strength contest for a min please.

Newjak and DARTH POWER please explain how Captain America will win this fight when he has shown fighting skill and combat speed well below than of Night Owl and Rorschach and they still could not touch Ozymandias.

Keep in mind Ozymandias was holding back alot and would not against Captain America

Originally posted by juggerman
Ok let's drop the strength contest for a min please.

Newjak and DARTH POWER please explain how Captain America will win this fight when he has shown fighting skill and combat speed well below than of Night Owl and Rorschach and they still could not touch Ozymandias.

Keep in mind Ozymandias was holding back alot and would not against Captain America

I think he did pretty much everything they did.

Easily dispatch a group of people without getting touched.

Cap has done that

Disarm an opponent with a knife

Cap has done that

It's not as flashy and eye popping but Cap is supposed to be skilled and he is as shown on screen.

He lasted far longer than Night Owl, Comedian, or Rorsh would have against Loki and he did it by using his quickness and fighting ability.

Now I'm not saying he is faster than Ozy or even as fast but Cap is obviously not a slouch.

Originally posted by Newjak

He lasted far longer than Night Owl, Comedian, or Rorsh would have against Loki and he did it by using his quickness and fighting ability.

I don't think Loki wasn't trying to kill Captain America, I think the premise was that he wanted to get caught and not make it seem obvious.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think Loki wasn't trying to kill Captain America, I think the premise was that he wanted to get caught and not make it seem obvious.

And that even doing what Cap did was impressive use of quickness and H2H ability that don't see the three above mentioned Watchmen duplicating.

Although I can see where you are coming from with your point and respect it.

Because most of Cap's fighting cosisted of bullrushing opponents and basically bullying them using his superior strength. I don't recall Cap using any actual skill on offense or defense. He basically fought as any untrained person would fight given his serum.

The reason i say his skill is well below those of the Watchmen is because while they were stronger than normal humans they were not super and relied on superior fighting ability to win fights rather than overly superior stats.

Had Cap been of normal human strength (or even slightly above as i consider the Watchmen) he would have had his sh!t pushed in at every turn while the Watchmen were at that level and kicked ass

My point is Cap relied too heavily on his strength while fighting and didn't seem to develop much skill. He would have trouble getting his hands on any of these guys to bully them as he did others. While the Watchmen would have no problem tagging Cap over and over again.

And Ozymandias was head and shoulders above the rest