Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah because the Hydra Soldiers were so obviously ill equipped, considering they had laser rifles I'm going to go with that wiki paragraph you posted has no bearing on it.
Wiki paragraph? What Wiki paragraph?
And “ill-equipped” was not my original argument. Just to make sure, do you know what my original argument was?
Originally posted by Newjak
You keep acting like the soldiers were dumb the soldiers were dumb,
Cause they were. They were cannon fodder. 🙂 That was their purpose in the film.
Originally posted by Newjak
yet the SWAT team who was literally counting out their breach timing to Rorsh is considered efficient?
And they were to know that Rorschach was right at the door listening? You're looking at that scene from an outsider's perspective: not the in-character's perspective. You really can’t do that. Also, real SWAT teams do the countdown, as well. That is partially to function as a warning to the occupants to “GTFO” or at least get away from the door. They were responding to a 187 and 419. They were also following up on a string of supposed murders/criminal activity.
Originally posted by Newjak
Since they came with Body armor that's what makes them better, some of the heavier Hydra soldiers had bullet proof armor on.
Yes, that makes them better. The hydra he fought H2H did not have bullet proof armor on their bodies. You’re more than welcome to prove me wrong with proof-positive evidence. This would be something I would love to be proved wrong on: I cannot find videos.
Originally posted by Newjak
You do realize that the bull in the car lifting video is much bigger than steer in the cowboy video who don't even look fully grown considering a full grown steer can weigh up to 1200 pounds and those things as listed in a steer wrestling article typically weight between 450 - 650 pounds.
Ummmm…I think you missed the point. There is also Steer saddling and those events routinely have steers over 1000lbs (which includes wrestling the Steer). That’s not the point, however. The point was to illustrate the leverage that can be used against that type of animal. I think you had to actually go out of your way to miss my point.
Originally posted by Newjak
You really think 4 humans can hold down a grizzyly bear like they were doing to Rorsh? A grizzy would kill them.
Did you say “grizzly” bear? No. You said “…full grown bear.” Why change the scenario? I was assuming you meant the most common North American Bear: the America Black Bear. It is a middle of the road bear...so seems like a logical choice.
Originally posted by Newjak
As for the feats you are over exaggerating them. Rorsh caught an unaware swat member kicked him back into his team mates. Something I've seen before.
Really? You’ve seen the following:
“Rorschach, with a single hit, knocked a police officer about 6 feet into 3 other officers. That cop's inertia was so great that it also knocked back 3 other officers, 3-4 feat, who then, all four, smacked up against the wall (meaning there was further inertia still left over).” Cause, if you have, that would be a superhuman feat you witnessed. You, my friend, have witnessed a superhuman if you have seen that.
Originally posted by Newjak
I human being has broken his shin bone just by kicking another human before so your idea that a human can not generate enough force to do it is wrong because it has happened.
You missed the point entirely: unless they have a bone density problem (a legit medical issue), a human’s metacarpals are not even near thick enough to snap shin bones with a punch: especially when the person is leaning forward with their knee bent. The angle was also front on, not to the side where it would be easiest to snap the shin bones. I could see a human pulling this off if they were a 145 Kg professional boxer punching the shins of a skinny 1.6 meter tall male.
Originally posted by Newjak
And I've done the Comedian punch through a wall.
So have I. I could do it through 2 layers of sheet rock no problem. But that siding stuff he has on the wall (it looked like braided reed stuff) would make it nearly impossible for me to punch through even a layer. The fact that he punched through two layers and that braided reed stuff is quite impressive, but that alone does not make him superhuman. The ease at which he did it (he did not have very good punching leverage when he threw those punches) and the method with which he threw those punches, however, is superhuman.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah my hand was bruised and swelled up and bleed a little but I was able to do it.
My don’t swell, bruise, or bleed when I do it. I’m not peak human, either. You’re just weak. uhuh
Originally posted by Newjak
Not trying to say I'm some bad ass superman athlete. What I'm trying to say is if I can do it I guarantee there are plenty of other people in the world who can also do it.
I agree. But punching through sheetrock and punching through 2 layers of braided reeds and sheetrock at a crappy angle without much punching leverage is quite impressive. Punching though small tile, at the corner, like he did, however, is literally impossible for a human.
Originally posted by Newjak
Also some of that powder wasn't the tile it was the plaster/dry-wall behind the tile.
I agree. That powder was not just the pulerized tile. It was also comprised of the drywall, grout, and probably some thinset.
Originally posted by Newjak
Like I said that isn't even Cap's best feat.
I think his best strength feat is bending those metal railings.
Originally posted by Newjak
Holding unto the wing of a plane while it is speeding along is better,
No, that’s not even a superhuman feat. I would throw that one out.
Originally posted by Newjak
throwing a man from the water up 15 feet in the air without a foothold is better,
I do not remember him doing that. Maybe 8 feet, but I do not remember a 15 foot throw. That pales, vastly, in comparison to kicking a person; from standing straight up, from a standstill; 20-30 feet and that person hitting solid stone so hard that it pulverizes and crumbles some of the stone.
Originally posted by Newjak
bending the metal bar.
Yes, that was his best strength feat, I believe. Without doing any math, I think that puts him comfortably in the 1-2 ton class.
Originally posted by Newjak
I did the motorcycle one because it was the easiest to come up with actually numbers for to drive the point home, and no I don't think he was just holding a prop up.
Of course you do not think he was just holding a prop up. But it looks like a stage prop, within the movie, and was being done as such. I don’t think (again, within the universe of the movie, not from a ‘literal’ real world assessment) it was intended to show him lifting it up. It was just a pose thing they did as part of their travel.
Originally posted by Newjak
Those feats happened and those are feats that no human can do.
If the throw is 15 feet, that’s probably just outside of peak human strength...depending on how much the dude weighed that he threw. All the others I agree are superhuman.
Originally posted by Newjak
Everything the watchmen did … human beings can do
Incorrect. The punching through the sheetrock: no human can do that from the position he did it. Just like no human could throw those dudes 15 feet from a standstill like Captain America did.
No human could punch through the wall tile like the Comedian did. No human could kick or punch a 90 Kg person 5-6 feet (and carry enough weight to knock 3 other 90 Kg humans back 3 feet with enough momentum to make them smack up against the wall).
No human can punch the shin; from standing straight up, without a leveraged “power-punch” like a boxer, from a straight-on punch; of a person standing forward with their knee bent and break the shin bones like twigs (unless the “victim” has osteoporosis”, lol). No human can kick another human; from a complete stand-still, straight up; 20-30 feet and that victim still has enough speed to crumble solid stone walls. No human has the ability to jump 15-20 feet in the air, from sitting down in a chair, while doing a flip and a turn at the same time. No human has the speed, even if they could anticipate when a bullet was shot and if they had armored gloves on, to catch a bullet: the mythbusters showed us that catching a far slower arrow requires closing the hand more than 5 times faster than a martial arts master. No human can pick up a 240+ pound male, overheard, and toss them out a reinforced plate glass window, with ease, no less.
Originally posted by Newjak
because I've seen the rough equivalent of human beings doing it.
You have not.