Originally posted by Arhael
with Vonduun Crab armor on, which supposed to give immense advantage like Obralisk.
Oh yea, to go back to this one- Krayt's vong implants aren't quite as nice as obralisk armor.
While the armor is very physically durable, and the implanted biots let Krayt use vong tech and probably increase his physical strength some. In that they're similar. However whereas the orbalisks pumped chemicals into Bane that sped healing and amped his rage, the symbionts tried to take Krayt over and he had to fight them with the force. If used too much he had to go into stasis for a time to focus on fighting them.
The cost of orbalisks is pain, the cost of the vong symbionts is to have to focus some of one's efforts on fighting them constantly. It's sort of like Vader's armor in that it helped in one area but hindered in another, which is a big reason why getting it removed was such a big deal, once he was free of it his force potential could be used in full for the first time in a century.
Originally posted by Arhael
In other words, we don't know. Both of you are impressed by either character. They are both all POWAH, so fight between them would be more or less equal. End of story. 🙂
In any case Lekku with claws (lethorns) are cooler!
Pretty much. It'd be pretty easy to write either of them winning in ways that wouldn't sell either short. Krayt via illusions or dark transfer (perhaps using illusions to get in a range for dark transfer), or willingly taking damage in trade knowing he'll survive. Bane via the power of his lightning or perhaps his physical power.
A black hole IRL is much more powerful and dangerous than a ****ing supernova
Supernovae release neutrinoes in sufficient numbers to blow off the entire outer layer of the star. That's just the first wave, and there are so many particles (which usually travel through entire planets without interacting with normal matter even once) rushing outward that the force of gravity is overwhelmed.
Next, a frickin star is coming at you.
"You'll survive if you are far enough away" can be said about damn near anything.
There is exactly nothing that can escape the Event Horizon of a black hole, not even by hypothetically traveling at FTL speeds. A black hole twists space in such a fashion that you can literally only go in one direction: "Inside" the black hole.
One can't understate how incredibly dense a black hole is either. A stellar black hole of about ten solar masses is but a mere 15 miles long.
Stellar black holes are the second smallest theoretical black hole, and the smallest recognised by science.
Originally posted by Pwned
Well, the Orbalisks also offer a lot more advantages: Almost complete protection from harm (2 vulnerable areas), massive healing factor, increase in abilities, and they are impervious to everything.
Quite. Bane was at his best when he had his armor due to gaining it's advantages; Krayt was at his best when he lost his due to shedding it's disadvantages.
Originally posted by ares834Is that about the quote about Luke? I've never understood that reference (I don't know if I've read the book). How was the supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy affecting Luke at the time?
Who cares, both will **** you up. But being unable to be moved by a black hole is more impressive than destabilizing a star IMO.
Originally posted by NemeBroThere are space stations bigger than that. It's not the power of the gravitational pull of the black hole, its how close you get to it. A supernova several lightyears wide is a greater threat than a black hole.
One can't understate how incredibly dense a black hole is either. A stellar black hole of about ten solar masses is but a mere 15 miles long.
DRP's original question was: which is more powerful, a supernova or a wormhole? I don't think he was referring to Lukes feat, but rather Palpatines Force Storm. When I answered, it was purely about that. A supernova is more destructive than a wormhole imo.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Is that about the quote about Luke? I've never understood that reference (I don't know if I've read the book). How was the supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy affecting Luke at the time?
It wasn't. Luke made himself immovable to the extent that the text stated that even the supermassive black hole wouldn't move him.
Found it:
"But this time, Luke was ready. He placed his own hand in front of Raynar's and rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself."
IMO, it sounds too specific to not be hyperbole. It sounds like the narrative is just trying to make a point that Luke was really Force rooting himself. A black hole had no bearing on the present situation, no effect. Why mention other than for impression? Like saying "Not even God himself could sink this ship." Hyperbole.
In any case Luke resisted more powerful opponent, which is impressive. Here is his struggle with Lomi Plo in comparison, so we can see that drawing on millions of killiks is not a joke:
"Luke thumbed off his lightsaber and rolled away sideways, watching in alarm as her long blade slashed past his head just a centimeter from his visor. He rolled once more and saw vapor billowing from the abdomen of Lomi Plo's pressure carapace, then brought his feet up over his head . . . and found himself hanging upside down, caught in a net of golden Force energy.
Luke knew what was coming next: the Myrkr strike team had described how Lomi Plo had used a similar net to dice a Yuuzhan Vong captor into bits. Luke began to push out with the Force, stopping the net from constricting any further and slicing through this vac suit. But he was not strong enough to break the attack outright. Cilghal's Dazer had cut Lomi Plo off from the collective mind of the Gorog, but not from the Force. She could still draw on her nest to enhance her Force potential, and as strong as Luke was, he was not strong enough to overpower an entire nest of Killiks. He would simply have to hold on-and hope she ran out of air before he ran out of strength.
A black, tarry substance began to boil from the puncture in Lomi Plo's pressure carapace, and the vapor plume disappeared. The queen had plugged the hole. She turned and started to float toward Luke, the mandibles on the other side of her faceplate spread so wide he could see the smiling row of human teeth they concealed.
There was no question of reaching out to Mara or Jacen for help. They were busy fending off Gorog warriors, somersaulting and spinning and Force-deflecting shattergun pellets. Instead, Luke risked a split in his concentration and used the Force to send a Wookiee-sized lump of spitcrete hurling toward Lomi Plo's head.
The attack never reached her, of course. She sensed it coming and raised her hand, deflecting it straight into Mara.
The impact sent Mara spinning, and a Gorog shatter gun pellet slammed into the small of her back. A puff of vapor shot from the hole, then quickly vanished as the vac suit sealed itself.
Luke still felt Mara's jolt of surprise, and to some extent even the numb, deep ache of the wound itself. A fierce rage boiled up inside him, and perhaps that was what gave him the strength to break Lomi Plo's Force-net .
. . or perhaps she had just been distracted by the boulder Luke had hurled at her.
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Originally posted by NephthysThen like what Q99 said, I don't think the writers knows what a black hole is. For a while I thought that whatever is going on in that chapter, was taking place next to the SMBH, which would make a little sense. But it's not. The SMBH has absolutely no bearing on the events. They're not in orbit around it, they're not being pulled in by it. And of course, the galaxy isn't rotated by it, and nothing is being sucked in to it. If any of that were true, than Luke being unmoved by it would mean that whatever planet he's on would go zooming out from under his feet leaving him in vacuum. Or he'd be killed while his body tears in to the hull of whatever ship he was on as it goes zooming away from him. He'd be rooted in space-time while the universe zips past him--including Raynar.
Of course its trying to make the point that Luke was seriously immovable, that doesn't mean that its hyperbole though. It mentions two other real things before the black hole and it refers to the black hole as [b]'the black hole' etc etc indicating that its a real thing as well. [/B]
None of that makes any sense if what the writer said was true. Unless it was a hyperbolic statement meant to convey the event's intensity.