Originally posted by Pwned
You do research? Really?
Yeah, I do research. Not everyone is like you, you know. 😛
Originally posted by Pwned
Woah, my mind has been blown.
I suddenly had the image of a tiny "popper" falling onto the sidewalk, and fizzling out. 😛
Jaina did actually show some prowess after training with the Mandalores, but yeah, before that she was seriously lacking. I understand that she didn't study all the arcane techniques that Jacen did, but there's no reason her combat and basic Force skills should have been so mediocre prior to that. I cry weaksauce.
Originally posted by ares834
I find relying on feats rather than heritage works better.Sure there is. He doesn't have the feats to hang with them.
Except he does have plenty of feats that place him at really quite strong.
According to Jan (the artist) he cut it off.
If you look at the art, there's no way that's the case.
I'm not saying he was useless, but rather that being present at the fight doesn't somehow make him Luke's equal. Anyway, once Abeloth turns her full attention to Krayt she strikes him down.
Around the same time that Luke went down, and after having taken multiple attacks earlier.
I'm not saying equals, I'm just saying he was strong in his own right to perform as he did.
Anyway for a comparison, when Bane gets a hold of the holocron he utterly dominates Andeddu's spirit and force the Andeddu to show him all his secrets.
Yea, and when Andeddu's spirit gains a new living body, Wyyrlok pwns him, and Krayt beats Wyyrlok in Wyyrlok's strongest area.
Pwned
The point about Johun is valid, Raskta and Farfalla were the only reason he lasted longer than half a second. He was taken down by non-Force sensitives (when he was escorting that guy on that platform.... A Twi'lek nearly brought him down for good)
Krayt fought some non-Force sensitives without weapons too. They were a warship full of Vong and he was just coming off of torture.
He won.
Originally posted by Q99
Except he does have plenty of feats that place him at really quite strong.
Once I see them. I'll agree.
Originally posted by Q99
If you look at the art, there's no way that's the case.
And yet, that is what the artist wished to convey. IE, it's what happened.
Originally posted by Q99
Around the same time that Luke went down, and after having taken multiple attacks earlier.
I don't recal Luke ever going down. Anyway, it was when she appeared to escape and the suddenly appered in front of Krayt and strcuk him down.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, and when Andeddu's spirit gains a new living body, Wyyrlok pwns him, and Krayt beats Wyyrlok in Wyyrlok's strongest area.
Good for him. But I'm not saying Andeddu was stronger than Krayt. Rather, I simply brought up a pathetic disaplay of his.
Originally posted by Q99
Krayt fought some non-Force sensitives without weapons too. They were a warship full of Vong and he was just coming off of torture.He won.
Not bad, but it still doesn’t put him in the highest tier of Sith Lords. First, Vong haven't shown any defense against force lightning. Secondly, by the end of the NJO many of the Jedi begin taking down vast numbers of Vong. And finally, Krayt is actually only shown killing two Vong. We don't know how many he ended up killing. Yes, he claims that all of the Vong on the ship (as well as the ship) had to die, but then again he did blow up the ship.
And yet, that is what the artist wished to convey. IE, it's what happened.
The artist conveyed what was clearly a force-push while his sword was elsewhere. Link
And he still performed really well in the duel in any case, striking hits on Obi-Wan with just his Jedi training.
Ares834
Once I see them. I'll agree.
Eh, I think you've just got it in your head he's weak and thus are just undercounting anything you see.
He's shown some of the best life manipulation of any Sith, he's fought with high-tier duelists when he was much weaker (the Obi-wan fight was before he had any Sith training), he fought against Abeloth on the front lines and both took and dished out large amounts of damage in the fight, and generally performed as a pretty darn high-level fighter before he got a power upgrade.
Not bad, but it still doesn’t put him in the highest tier of Sith Lords.
? There's higher Sith Lords than where I placed him.
Originally posted by Q99
[B]The artist conveyed what was clearly a force-push while his sword was elsewhere. Link
Yes, I agree. The art is bad in this panel, but she meant to draw him cutting off the arm.
Originally posted by Q99
he fought against Abeloth on the front lines and both took and dished out large amounts of damage in the fight, and generally performed as a pretty darn high-level fighter before he got a power upgrade.
Plenty of other fighters have dished out high amounts of damage against Abeloth like Saba Sebatyne. Yet, I wouldn't claim she is one of the greatest Jedi ever.
Originally posted by Q99
? There's higher Sith Lords than where I placed him.
You said he was even with Bane, and Bane is among the highest tier of Sith Lords.
Originally posted by vaderdeljisung
TK feat for you Q: when he had only brief training from his father before becoming a jedi he was able to perform moves like force wave, and uses it against a horde of banthas that were surrounding him in one of the republic comics.
What comic? I just flipped through Outlander and didn't see it in there.
Originally posted by ares834
Yes, I agree. The art is bad in this panel, but she meant to draw him cutting off the arm.
The colorist even drew force glowy push.
Plenty of other fighters have dished out high amounts of damage against Abeloth like Saba Sebatyne. Yet, I wouldn't claim she is one of the greatest Jedi ever.
Not as much as Krayt.
Saba's not exactly a slouch for that matter.
You said he was even with Bane, and Bane is among the highest tier of Sith Lords.
No, Nihilus, Vitiate, and such are the highest tier of Sith Lords. Arguably Clone Palpatine too.
Bane is pretty high level, but several othe RoT Sith reach his general level. Krayt, who's passed through death, knows a variety of strong force powers, and has strong physical skills as well.
Again, not saying normal armored Krayt is that level, but Reborn, stronger-in-the-force-than-ever, healthy Krayt.
Originally posted by Q99
The colorist even drew force glowy push.
Yeah, he could be simply pushing the arm further away to get the lightsaber out of reach. Regardless, Jan confirms that's not what happens...
Originally posted by Q99
Not as much as Krayt.Saba's not exactly a slouch for that matter.
She beats Abeltoh by herself pretty much... And ends up killing the avatar she battles...
Originally posted by Q99
Bane is pretty high level, but several othe RoT Sith reach his general level. Krayt, who's passed through death, knows a variety of strong force powers, and has strong physical skills as well.Again, not saying normal armored Krayt is that level, but Reborn, stronger-in-the-force-than-ever, healthy Krayt.
And yet, you haven't proven it. His defeat of Wyyrlok is pretty good, but ultimately it pales in comparison to Bane's feats like reducing people to ash with lightning or the lightsaber in the rain sequence. I might be inclined to put Krayt on Dooku's level meaning he is still a very powerful Sith Lord... But no higher than that.
Very easily arguably. Dunno why I even included the word, really.
Originally posted by ares834
And yet, you haven't proven it.
I've provided plenty of examples and he's performed well against a variety of strong foes, so I'd argue I have.
There doesn't seem to be anything that indicates he's lower.
His defeat of Wyyrlok is pretty good, but ultimately it pales in comparison to Bane's feats like reducing people to ash with lightning or the lightsaber in the rain sequence.
And his 'revive from the dead / kill people with a touch / yadda yadda'? Bane's attempts at healing pale in comparison to that.
Sure, Bane has stronger lightning. That's his speciality. Krayt has Dark Transfer and stronger Force Illusions, where he's more specialized. Different high-level sith lords are strong in different areas.
Lesse, more stuff. Wyyrlok's lightning destroyed Krayt's armor (which, being Vong armor, is lightsaber and blaster resistant), and Krayt was able to casually deflect it with his hands.
I might be inclined to put Krayt on Dooku's level meaning he is still a very powerful Sith Lord...
I'd argue Wyyrlok's probably around Dooku's level.
