Baleman vs Black Widow.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Hawkeye, who'd part of an organisation designed to fight superhuman threats and likely has extensive martial arts training.

And stop bashing her for her appearance. It's chauvinistic and incredibly petty.

He was also mind-controlled. Convenient that you forgot about that.

No. It's unacceptable for a supposed sex-symbol in her twenties to be as out of shape as her. She should get in shape or stop taking hot chick roles.

Originally posted by Robtard

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Her pot belly is bigger than her ****. That's not hot, man. Unless you're into that sort of thing...

Originally posted by Psychotron
He was also mind-controlled. Convenient that you forgot about that.

No. It's unacceptable for a supposed sex-symbol in her twenties to be as out of shape as her. She should get in shape or stop taking hot chick roles.

The mind-control doesn't affect abilities in any way from what I remember. Its not an issue.

Unacceptable? Since when do you have any say in whats acceptable for a woman to look like? How about you stfu on completely unrelated matters and get back to the thread before you put your foot in your mouth even more.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Let's be real. The Baleman supporters are only butthurt about the fact that a woman is beating the shit out of their dark brooding hero.

Not at all. I simply see no reason to put her on Batman's level when it come purely to H2H. She has only beat security guards, Hawkeye, and some Russian mobsters in strictly H2H. Nothing to scoff at mind you, but its simply doesn't compare to what Batman has fought.

Truthfully, she probably is beyond Batman, but she has yet to display it IMO.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because Batman has definitely shown the onscreen agility to replicate BW's pod-hijacking feat. 😂 Sure........

Strawman.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And stop bashing her for her appearance. It's chauvinistic and incredibly petty.

Agreed.

Originally posted by ares834
Not at all. I simply see no reason to put her on Batman's level when it come purely to H2H. She has only beat security guards, Hawkeye, and some Russian mobsters in strictly H2H. Nothing to scoff at mind you, but its simply doesn't compare to what Batman has fought.

LoS ninjas, who themselves have absolutely zero feats and have only implied ability?

Bane? Bane destroyed Bruce in a contest of pure H2H, and in the second fight Batman won by capitalizing on Bane's mask weakness, not outperforming him in hand-to-hand.

So if the crux of your argument is that the caliber of opponents is superior to the opponents Natasha fought, and Natasha herself, than please by all means provide the on-screen feats to prove it. No one cares about the implied ability that is "they're ninjas! So they have to be amazing fighters!"

Originally posted by ares834
Strawman.

I'm making the point that Bats does not have the reflexes or agility to compete with Natasha

Originally posted by Nephthys
The mind-control doesn't affect abilities in any way from what I remember. Its not an issue.

Unacceptable? Since when do you have any say in whats acceptable for a woman to look like? How about you stfu on completely unrelated matters and get back to the thread before you put your foot in your mouth even more.

Yes it does. He wasn't fighting with a clear head. Aside from that, Hawkeye doesn't have any relevant H2H feats either.

Since I pay for movies and she's there ruining them with her mediocre acting and average appearance. I mean, I wouldn't mind if she could act, but she can't. Look at Tom Hardy, his body is pretty mediocre in DKR, but he can act so it's not a problem.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm making the point that Bats does not have the reflexes or agility to compete with Natasha

And she doesn't have the strength to compete with him. Strength >>> agility.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes it does. He wasn't fighting with a clear head. Aside from that, Hawkeye doesn't have any relevant H2H feats either.

Since I pay for movies and she's there ruining them with her mediocre acting and average appearance. I mean, I wouldn't mind if she could act, but she can't. Look at Tom Hardy, his body is pretty mediocre in DKR, but he can act so it's not a problem.

Those affected by the Staff's mind-control still exhibit perfectly clear heads. Barton was still able to plan and lead the assualt on the Helicarrier as well as the theft at the beginning. Show me something that says that he would be diminished because of the Staff.

And yet you've only posted pictures of her outside the movie. She looks great in the actual movie. Once again: Shut the **** up you chauvinist *******.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Who has Batman fought and beat through H2H?

LoS ninjas, who themselves have absolutely zero feats and have only implied ability?

Yes. However a fighter with implied H2H ability would reasonably be greater than one who does not. Ergo defeating the ninjas would be more impressive than defeating the mobsters.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._ Bane? Bane destroyed Bruce in a contest of pure H2H, and in the second fight Batman won by capitalizing on Bane's mask weakness, not outperforming him in hand-to-hand.

He wasn't merely capitalizing on Bane's weakness though. At times he would physically overpower Bane as seen when Bane grabbed Batman's fist and Bats wrenched Bane's arm downward and then hit Bane in the face. Furthermore, to get to Bane's mask he still had to get past Bane's defenses.

Originally posted by ares834
[B]Yes. However a fighter with implied H2H ability would reasonably be greater than one who does not. Ergo defeating the ninjas would be more impressive than defeating the mobsters.

]He wasn't merely capitalizing on Bane's weakness though. At times he would physically overpower Bane as seen when Bane grabbed Batman's fist and Bats wrenched Bane's arm downward and then hit Bane in the face. Furthermore, to get to Bane's mask he still had to get past Bane's defenses.

Can't help but notice you didn't actually do what I asked of you, btw. Nothing has been put fourth by you to make anyone think that anyone in the Baleman-verse is on Natasha's level or the level of the people she fought.

Originally posted by ares834
Yes. However a fighter with implied H2H ability would reasonably be greater than one who does not. Ergo defeating the ninjas would be more impressive than defeating the mobsters.

If she wasn't tied to a chair while doing it, sure.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those affected by the Staff's mind-control still exhibit perfectly clear heads. Barton was still able to plan and lead the assualt on the Helicarrier as well as the theft at the beginning. Show me something that says that he would be diminished because of the Staff.

And yet you've only posted pictures of her outside the movie. She looks great in the actual movie. Once again: Shut the **** up you chauvinist *******.

How about the doctor that made the plot device button? That proves they resist the staff's influence to at least some degree. So, Hawkeye wasn't a 100% in the fight.

Real life's hard to ignore. Besides, you could tell she had gained weight since IM2. She looked a lot better. Her ass was a bit flabby in the avengers. Don't get so butthurt, it's not my fault she's too lazy.

Shhh, Neph. They lowballed that away already!

She didn't actually defeat them while tied to a chair. They... they let her beat them up!

Also I'm pretty sure the three Russian mobsters were military. One was wearing a military suit.

Originally posted by Psychotron
How about the doctor that made the plot device button? That proves they resist the staff's influence to at least some degree. So, Hawkeye wasn't a 100% in the fight.

Real life's hard to ignore. Besides, you could tell she had gained weight since IM2. She looked a lot better. Her ass was a bit flabby in the avengers. Don't get so butthurt, it's not my fault she's too lazy.

It proves the doctor had enough willpower to resist it, not Hawkeye. Last I checked he was full-on trying to kill her with a dagger and his bow.

I'm not even dignifying you with responses about that anymore. Just get back on topic.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Not really, as we have no idea who those mobsters were. They could have been Ex-Spetznas or some other special forces, for all we know.

They could have been doesn't cut it. There is no reasonable reason to believe that those mobsters were some monsters in H2H.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
He "got to Bane's mask" by literally throwing haymakers over and over again. lol

Just goes to show you how bad ass Bats is. 😄

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Can't help but notice you didn't actually do what I asked of you, btw.

Bane. Even if it was through ripping apart his mask, Batman beat Bane in H2H.

Furthermore, Batman has the better strength feats.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Her pot belly is bigger than her ****. That's not hot, man. Unless you're into that sort of thing...

That's not a pot belly;this is.

So she's gained a few pounds off camera. Seems like you're going WAY out of your way to make an attractive girl seem unattractive. Which is straight-up a gay maneuver.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's not a pot belly;this is.

So she's gained a few pounds off camera. Seems like you're going WAY out of your way to make an attractive girl seem unattractive. Which is straight-up a gay maneuver.

She was kind of out of shape in the Avengers as well. Especially compared to some of her older movies. I already said she's a 6.5/10, that's attractive, just not as attractive some people like to believe. She used to be an 8/10 or maybe even a 9 in some of her older movies, but not anymore. I'd certainly plow her, but there are plenty of hotter girls out on the streets.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It proves the doctor had enough willpower to resist it, not Hawkeye. Last I checked he was full-on trying to kill her with a dagger and his bow.

I'm not even dignifying you with responses about that anymore. Just get back on topic.

I can't believe we're even discussing this. People don't fight as well when they're not in their right mind. You think some random professor was resisting the mind control, but mister super-spy couldn't? Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She was kind of out of shape in the Avengers as well. Especially compared to some of her older movies. I already said she's a 6.5/10, that's attractive, just not as attractive some people like to believe. She used to be an 8/10 or maybe even a 9 in some of her older movies, but not anymore. I'd certainly plow her, but there are plenty of hotter girls out on the streets.

How was she out of shape in The Avengers? Seems like more reaching.

What, when she was 14?

PEDOALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!11!!!

Originally posted by Robtard
How was she out of shape in The Avengers? Seems like more reaching.

What, when she was 14?

PEDOALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!11!!!

Meh, just seemed softer somehow compared to IM2. Her ass was bigger for sure.

I was thinking 19, in the Island. But 14 is legal over here so if there's grass on the field...

14 is legal? Where do you live, Japan?

Originally posted by Psychotron
I can't believe we're even discussing this. People don't fight as well when they're not in their right mind. You think some random professor was resisting the mind control, but mister super-spy couldn't? Ridiculous.

As I recall random professor guy completely shook it off at the end whereas Barton needed an introduction to a railing. Either way, theres no indication that he was impaired, plus he had advantages in that fight anyway. IIRC he used his bow and a knife to try and kill her while she was strictly H2H while only trying to incapacitate him.