Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Edit: BTW I don't think you are a troll, I think your theory is just fine. Comics gives us enough room for different interpretations, yours is rather exotic but still ok, it just doesn't hold more turth in it then other theories imho. Nevermind^^.
Thank you.
Youre very reasonable.
Posters like CortSether believe that anyone who refuses to accept their view on things is a troll and expresses that by being a troll himself lol. I can live with that 😄
^You know, the writers contradict each other, there can't be a final truth to concepts, they might change over time. I find your theory interesting.
As for the PF.
Have to disagree as seemingly "lesser" beings within creation are more or did greater things then the PF, like HOM Wanda, the IG or the Beyonder and MM imo. Anyway, I think we won't agree on this one 🙂.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
And you said it, before the big bang, means that there was a time before the big bang, maybe even before the PF itself.
It can be manipulated by a time manipulator, time exists and it was manipulated and defeated by less. Its enegry and energy can always be manipulated. Actually it was always manipulated to give birth to a new Universe, wasn't it?
With the exception of Oblivion, in Marvel the Abstracts and the Concepts they embody do not exist before the Big Bang.
Eternity himself states that the Phoenix Force ensures his creation through its control of the creation cycle.
If the Phoenix was to deviate from its role none of the Abstracts would exist. The Phoenix Force however is not dependent on the Abstracts.
A host of the PF or the firebird avatar acting within the timestream can be manipulated by time, however the full Phoenix Force encompasses all of creation and it also exists beyond so if we're talking the full entity here time manipulation isnt going to cut it. Jean Grey casually amputates and disposes of timelines with a thought. So how is a being whose power is dependent on timelines going to be a bother?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^You know, the writers contradict each other, there can't be a final truth to concepts, they might change over time. I find your theory interesting.As for the PF.
Have to disagree as seemingly "lesser" beings within creation are more or did greater things then the PF, like HOM Wanda, the IG or the Beyonder and MM imo. Anyway, I think we won't agree on this one 🙂.
But what youre not taking into account is said characters were the villains in their storylines and acting recklessly, whereas characters like the PF act within their creator given roles. Comparing the big destructive displays of a role driven cosmic entity to a villain with no cosmic responsibilities lashing out with their power makes no sense.
However Jean Grey containing the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal, given its proven power (its canon it destroyed the previous multiverse and created the present one) is a greater power feat than HOM Wanda, or Thanos' universal feats with the IG or anything any cube being has done.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The latter is more likely .
And your actions would mark you as the former 🙂
Nothing ive said is illogical. Nothing ive said is not explicitly stated on panel, it is just an unpopular opinion because people just cant seem to make a division between hosts and the PF or even the firebird avatar and the full PF, then use low showings to ignore its stated role and feats in official sources. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And your actions would mark you as the former 🙂Nothing ive said is illogical. Nothing ive said is not explicitly stated on panel, it is just an unpopular opinion because people just cant seem to make a division between hosts and the PF or even the firebird avatar and the full PF, then use low showings to ignore its stated role and feats in official sources. 🙂
Originally posted by TheGodKillerThe latter is more likely . [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=13992055]Originally posted by CortSether
[B]Not sure if GS is a really successful troll or just deluded.
The funny thing is that GS has been repeatedly owned in numerous threads where he has sprouted unfounded Phoenix hype - like the hilarious "Phoenix Force is the Big Bang" claim. Of course, if he continues to repeat the same lies he'll eventually convince people who are ignorant of the character, so he continues to do so.
Originally posted by CortSether
The funny thing is that GS has been repeatedly owned in numerous threads where he has sprouted unfounded Phoenix hype - like the hilarious "Phoenix Force is the Big Bang" claim. Of course, if he continues to repeat the same lies he'll eventually convince people who are ignorant of the character, so he continues to do so.
This describes him perfectly :
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm curious. Is there a reason that you believe that GS is incorrect in his appraisal concerning this subject?
Originally posted by CortSether
The funny thing is that GS has been repeatedly owned in numerous threads where he has sprouted unfounded Phoenix hype - like the hilarious "Phoenix Force is the Big Bang" claim. Of course, if he continues to repeat the same lies he'll eventually convince people who are ignorant of the character, so he continues to do so.
Originally posted by CortSether
The funny thing is that GS has been repeatedly owned in numerous threads where he has sprouted unfounded Phoenix hype - like the hilarious "Phoenix Force is the Big Bang" claim. Of course, if he continues to repeat the same lies he'll eventually convince people who are ignorant of the character, so he continues to do so.
Ive never been owned regarding the Phoenix Force. The lies! 😱
Are you seriously going to ignore explicit comments from reputable characters stating its the Big Bang just because you believe its showings don't reflect that in your opinion?
Thats your problem 😬
Reed Richards, what is the Phoenix?
The Big Bang
Tony Stark what is the Phoenix Force?
The Big Bang
Watcher! Death! what would happen if the Phoenix Force left reality?
There'd be a void
Stars are the biggest concentration of Big Bang matter and energy in reality. Kubik! Where do stars derive from?
The Phoenix Force
Phoenix Force! What are you?
The Big Bang
You have Abstracts, high tiered cosmic beings, the Phoenix itself and Earths top scientific minds all explicitly confirming the Force as the Big Bang. The point is not debatable. You will deal.
I think it is fine and makes sense that the PF is what starts the big bang or that it can be considered to be the Big Bang. Like Imperiex from DC who holds also the energies of the Big Bang inside of him and restarts the Universe.
Whats not ok imho is to insult other posters just because they disagree. I could understand a frustration if an opinion would be far off the truth (Like Batman being Multiversal, he is Omniversal after all) but GS theory sounds plausible enough to make it one possibility among others. To insult someone is like admitting to be wrong, I did or do it too sometimes, but its still no excuse.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Trapper wins. Statements are just that, statements. What are the actual feats of phoenix?
If you read the multiple posts ive made ive stated them multiple times as well as given reasons why TT wouldnt.
TT just doesnt sound like a top tier cosmic. Hes a time manipulating cosmic. Cool. Not on the PFs level.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you read the multiple posts ive made ive stated them multiple times as well as given reasons why TT wouldnt.TT just doesnt sound like a top tier cosmic. Hes a time manipulating cosmic. Cool. Not on the PFs level.
