Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol posting the range of force that affects Prime?The range of force that affects WWH:
I'm actually presenting the range of force that usefully affects WWHulk and illustrating what he actually does in fights. The simple fact is, Hulk does not fight all that well in most of his comics.
As for the scan, I was going to get it and then post it - but I see you already know that its current, in your own words, 'jobber' Rulk.
You might think you're mocking, or keeping in character with your "Laughing Magician" moniker, or perhaps you simply like to use the letters "LOL" a lot, but it's a perfectly valid point, no matter who is making it.
I'm not one to deny ANY character that can be hurt or knocked out, can, in fact, be hurt or knocked out. If it's in the realm of possibility, it's in the realm of possibility. Second question, though, then becomes, "Is it in the realm of PLAUSIBILITY?" Right after that, the question is "What is the PROBABILITY of "x" happening?
Superboy Prime does indeed have the power to hurt World War Hulk with hard enough punches.
It's important to establish that the reverse is true as well, however, a fact a lot of people, based on "He 'tanked' explosion 259 and 256!" try to wrongly deny for SBP.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85[Superboy Prime's weakness] is.....Kryptonite (which as a mod ruling has said would not work, as I am SURE you are no doubt aware of, a fine knowledgeable poster such as yourself) and red sun radiation. And we have already shown in battle, when exiled to the Phantom Zone, he can still punch his way out with sheer physical strength. Also, that a mere kiss of sunlight powers him right back up. Energy drainers and radiation masters have tried hitting him with red sun before whilst he's battling - I direct you to your own posts (which I'm sure you're au fait with already, right?)
You'll have to help me out here. Superboy Prime originally was not affected negatively by red sunlight, way back in his debut in the 1980s.
Post 2004, Prime HAS proven vulnerable to red sunlight, most notably when he and the other 2 Supermen took the plunge through part of Rao in Infinite Crisis 7. At what point, post-2004, have energy drainers and radiation masters tried hitting him with something similar?
I would genuinely appreciate you showing me this.
Also, as I mentioned earlier, I figured the Original Poster's premise, given that he's being confronted by the Avengers, was that this was taking place in the Marvel Universe, or at least some weird Amalgam one, not DCU proper. Kryptonite was never part of my equation.
Short on time for right now.
Think it would be a good idea, till I return, for some of you to look through the following thread to see what Greg Pak has actually been having World War Hulk/World Breaker Hulk doing throughout his run.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=563690&pagenumber=1
Originally posted by bluewaterriderA bunch of times. Red Star did it twice. Sun Boy did it with red flames. Some Legionnaires drained sunlight with shadow powers.
At what point, post-2004, have energy drainers and radiation masters tried hitting him with something similar?I would genuinely appreciate you showing me this.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You'll have to help me out here. Superboy Prime originally was not affected negatively by red sunlight, way back in his debut in the 1980s.Post 2004, Prime HAS proven vulnerable to red sunlight, most notably when he and the other 2 Supermen took the plunge through part of Rao in Infinite Crisis 7. At what point, post-2004, have energy drainers and radiation masters tried hitting him with something similar?
I would genuinely appreciate you showing me this.
And you're right, he WAS depowered when he went through Rao - but you forgot to mention he still had enough juice to pretty much beat KC Superman to death.
And yes, I laugh a lot. Sometimes its at posters, sometimes at me, most of the time though I like to think its with posters.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85ODG beat me to it. And whilst we are all quite familiar with WWH, you don't seem that au fait with SBP - perhaps you need to get a more current viewpoint on him? Especially if your knowledge of him stops at 2004...
And you're right, he WAS depowered when he went through Rao - but you forgot to mention he still had enough juice to pretty much beat KC Superman to death.
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Couple things:
1) Earth 2 Superman, the "original" Superman, was not Kingdom Come (KC) Superman.
2) You read the entirety of my post wrong. My knowledge of Superboy Prime actually starts more or less around 2004, doesn't finish there.
3) Doesn't seem people are all that familiar with World War Hulk given that they're impressed with SBP shrugging off a combination of high level heroes. What exactly did they read World War Hulk doing in the bulk of all his series?
Did they miss him taking on pretty much the entire X-men roster past and present AND Juggernaut, for instance? Black Bolt? Dr. Strange? The Fantastic Four? Sentry?
What exactly did they read?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Couple things:1) Earth 2 Superman, the "original" Superman, was not Kingdom Come (KC) Superman.
2) You read the entirety of my post wrong. My knowledge of Superboy Prime actually starts more or less around 2004, doesn't finish there.
3) Doesn't seem people are all that familiar with World War Hulk given that they're impressed with SBP shrugging off a combination of high level heroes. What exactly did they read World War Hulk doing in the bulk of all his series?
Did they miss him taking on pretty much the entire X-men roster past and present AND Juggernaut, for instance? Black Bolt? Dr. Strange? The Fantastic Four? Sentry?
What exactly did they read?
Entire? Who was the most powerful X-man he went up against? Was Magneto there, Danger, Legion, Rachel, Iceman? Pixie was there, did she do anything? Of the Extinction team (commonly regarded as a pretty powerful collection of X-men), you have a depowered Colossus, Cyclops, Emma...and that's it. No Magneto, no Magik, no DAnger, no Hope, no Namor....he beat a pretty weak X-team.
High-level heroes? Iron Man nearly beat him, except PIS saved him (sabotage). Zom Strange was beating him until Zom lost control, thanks to those civilians. Black Bolt was a Skrull. F4 - did Mr FAntastic bust any weaponry out, or did he spend his time building a calming ray? Where was his Galactus gun, Negative Zone portals etc? He was lucky Thor wasn't there, and Hercules allowed him to get beaten!
Had the X-men treated WWH the same way they treated Kuurth, it would have been over in one panel.
I'll give you Sentry, though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Entire?
Re-read what I actually wrote.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who was the most powerful X-man he went up against?
Juggernaut.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was Magneto there, Danger, Legion, Rachel, Iceman?
Magneto was presumed dead at the time.
Don't know who Danger is.
Legion, Xavier's son, is and has been dead for awhile now.
Rachel had not yet been re-introduced.
Iceman almost lost to Gray Hulk despite then having the help of Cyclops and Jean Grey. I understand he's been upgraded; doubt the upgrades are enough to give him an edge on World War Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pixie was there, did she do anything? Of the Extinction team (commonly regarded as a pretty powerful collection of X-men), you have a depowered Colossus, Cyclops, Emma...and that's it. No Magneto, no Magik, no DAnger, no Hope, no Namor....he beat a pretty weak X-team.
No idea who Pixie is.
Colossus had his fingers bent back in a test of grip strength.
Emma is diamond hard and has telepathic prowess and was treated as a relatively minor annoyance.
Again, Magneto, at the time, was presumed dead; had not been re-introduced.
Don't know who Magik is, or, again, Danger.
(These are some pretty obscure X-members you're coming up with, by the way 😕
To be fair, Hulk himself commented that he didn't know half the people he was fighting of the X-Teams he DID face.)
Had Hope even been created as a character back then?
When, before the current Phoenix 5 storyline, was Namor considered an X-Man?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Iron Man nearly beat him, except PIS saved him (sabotage).
???
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Black Bolt was a Skrull.
Skrulls actually outrank a lot of the original characters in terms of power.
The SuperSkrull, for instance, was several times STRONGER than the Fantastic Four member Thing, whose power he copied.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85F4 - did Mr FAntastic bust any weaponry out, or did he spend his time building a calming ray? Where was his Galactus gun, Negative Zone portals etc?
When your power is based on rage, on being NON-calm and as angry as possible, it's not some small thing being zapped with energy that calms and soothes you. Several times in history that has been enough to not simply weaken Hulk but to revert him completely back to Bruce Banner.
The Illuminati, or whatever name the heroes came up with for that group, decided not to teleport Hulk away for the storyline; he just came back every time, madder than ever, according to them.
(I imagine someone could make the case of that being an interesting parallel with Prime himself.) So no Negative Zone portals.
As for the Galactus Gun, if you're talking about the Ultimate Nullifier, as I suspect you are, that is not normally in Reed Richards possession. It's actually something Galactus himself possesses. Actually, if I remember right, they had to find a way to steal it from Galactus during that first encounter and it was later returned to him. Don't quote me on that, though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was lucky Thor wasn't there, and Hercules allowed him to get beaten!
Hercules would have been trashed regardless of what he did.
Hulk has beaten Hercules even when Herc had the aid of people like Namor, and Wonder Man, and nearly all the rest of the Avengers.
Really, although he may indeed have one, I've yet to see a Hercules victory over the Hulk.
As for Thor ... well, Thor is on Hulk's side for this fight.
Any power HE brings to the table is a plus for World War Hulk here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Had the X-men treated WWH the same way they treated Kuurth, it would have been over in one panel.
Don't know what they did to Kuurth, so I can't give you a real reply here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I'll give you Sentry, though.
I suppose that's not too bad, given he was reckoned to be the most powerful of all Marvel Comics heroes at the time.
More interesting to me to note that Sentry and Prime are both psychologically limited from expressing their full potential in standard battle.
Of course, both are thoroughly insane in general.