Superboy Prime vs The Avengers

Magneto was presumed dead at the time.

Don't know who Danger is.

Legion, Xavier's son, is and has been dead for awhile now.

Rachel had not yet been re-introduced.

Iceman almost lost to Gray Hulk despite then having the help of Cyclops and Jean Grey. I understand he's been upgraded; doubt the upgrades are enough to give him an edge on World War Hulk.

No idea who Pixie is.

Colossus had his fingers bent back in a test of grip strength.

Emma is diamond hard and has telepathic prowess and was treated as a relatively minor annoyance.

Again, Magneto, at the time, was presumed dead; had not been re-introduced.

Don't know who Magik is, or, again, Danger.

(These are some pretty obscure X-members you're coming up with, by the way
To be fair, Hulk himself commented that he didn't know half the people he was fighting of the X-Teams he DID face.)

Had Hope even been created as a character back then?

When, before the current Phoenix 5 storyline, was Namor considered an X-Man?

I believe his point was that WWH beating pretty much the entire X-Men roster that was present at the time isn't uber impressive. The fact that several of the more powerful ones were not there gives reason to believe that Hulk wouldn't have found the team so easy to overcome had they all been present

Don't know what they did to Kuurth, so I can't give you a real reply here.

And you should really read Fear Itself where the X-Men are trying to stop Kuurth. This team is much more powerful that the one that fought WWH and much more organized. WWH would not have survived everything they threw at Kuurth imho

Ares -- I know nothing about this guy, save that he is hyper-aggressive and wields an axe. Can't excape the conclusion of Voidtry treatment for him in this fight. His survival depends on whether or not his teammates are looking out for him and fighting as a unit.

War Machine -- Not normally part of the Avengers roster nowadays, James Rhodes DOES have the advantage of having served them before.
Don't know if the "hasn't drilled" argument works here, either.
In point of fact, it was Rhodey who was the Iron Man featured in Marvel's famous Secret Wars series, and the Avengers were a reasonably close-knit team then. The armor Rhodey used for that adventure was able to blast away the side of a mountain when Torch and Captain (Monica) Marvel energy was channeled through it.
I don't imagine it has that kind of power on its own today, but any 21st century Iron Man OR War Machine armor should pack enough punch to give valuable moments of distraction against Prime.

Ironman -- Seen him with armor with reflective coating that actually deflect lasers back to the person who fired it. Even pre-Crisis Kryptonians can be hurt by their OWN reflected heat vision, I can see this happening to Prime once or twice.
Tony Stark is a tactician. If he has general knowledge of Prime, let alone if he has general knowledge AND Ares unwittingly takes the sacrificial lamb role to start things off, he's going to know he can't bank on the direct approach working.
Stark is GOING to try for Battlefield Removal of this guy, ASAP; you're not talking about Tony Stark in character if he's fool enough not to.
Red Sun or nanotech along with the other 3 team members can keep Prime busy long enough to teleport him out of there or trap him the way Doomsday was trapped in a teleportation loop years ago.

Red Hulk -- Rulk as he originally was would make this an enormously intriguing match-up. Still waiting for actual proof he can no longer absorb various energies, by the way.

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Thor

World War Hulk

It's fairly obvious the bulk of any serious conventional fighting has to be borne by these guys. Thor possesses control of weather and lightning.
Given that electricity has proven able to affect Prime, this all by itself could prove the life-saver of a teammate or two. I see suited SBP, that is SBP fighting without direct sun assist, being affected much the way any other high-level Thor opponent is by actual physical blows.
I don't really see sunlit SBP being immune to the same, but Mjolnir's other abilities, chief among them the ability to open a dimensional warp to remove Prime from the battlefield, that will be the deciding factor.

World War Hulk -- Mainstay of the team. TRUE WorldBreaker form, the one causing Earthquakes at a single step, beats SBP in a punchout, sunlight or no. No argument dependent on explosions, no matter how big or small, can deny the effect strikes from Superboy Conner Kent, Legionairres in the relatively lowly class of the Colossal Boys, Sodam Yat, though fighting off lead poisoning, or the Teen Titans when they got serious, had on SBP. He takes a haymaker from TRUE WorldBreaker, he gets knocked out.
The "Vegas" form of World Breaker, the one that took on the King Kong wishing-well-enhanced forms of Wendigo and Bi-Beast, also a Hulk win.
Been told me that the "Vegas" form is just a higher range sample of World War Hulk. Based on Pak's history, sounds right.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Re-read what I actually wrote.

No idea who Pixie is.

Don't know who Magik is, or, again, Danger.

(These are some pretty obscure X-members you're coming up with, by the way 😕

When, before the current Phoenix 5 storyline, was Namor considered an X-Man?
Since the Dark Avengers storyline in.....2009. Granted, after WWH, but it was shown he and Emma were always in cahoots with each other.

Skrulls actually outrank a lot of the original characters in terms of power.
The SuperSkrull, for instance, was several times STRONGER than the Fantastic Four member Thing, whose power he copied.

Not always. Deadpool was able to kill a huge amount of them

When your power is based on rage, on being NON-calm and as angry as possible, it's not some small thing being zapped with energy that calms and soothes you. Several times in history that has been enough to not simply weaken Hulk but to revert him completely back to Bruce Banner.

The Illuminati, or whatever name the heroes came up with for that group, decided not to teleport Hulk away for the storyline; he just came back every time, madder than ever, according to them.
(I imagine someone could make the case of that being an interesting parallel with Prime himself.) So no Negative Zone portals.

As for the Galactus Gun, if you're talking about the Ultimate Nullifier, as I suspect you are, that is not normally in Reed Richards possession. It's actually something Galactus himself possesses. Actually, if I remember right, they had to find a way to steal it from Galactus during that first encounter and it was later returned to him. Don't quote me on that, though.

As for Thor ... well, Thor is on Hulk's side for this fight.
Any power HE brings to the table is a plus for World War Hulk here.

Don't know what they did to Kuurth, so I can't give you a real reply here.

And last, but CERTAINLY not least:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Red Sun or nanotech along with the other 3 team members can keep Prime busy long enough to teleport him out of there or trap him the way Doomsday was trapped in a teleportation loop years ago.

Scans, please, of Tony using teleport tech?

Red Hulk -- Rulk as he originally was would make this an enormously intriguing match-up. Still waiting for actual proof he can no longer absorb various energies, by the way.

Please look back a couple of pages - I posted it for you, from Hulk 41.

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I don't really see sunlit SBP being immune to the same, but Mjolnir's other abilities, chief among them the ability to open a dimensional warp to remove Prime from the battlefield, that will be the deciding factor.[/quote]

Of course, you ignored the scans showing Prime punching his way out during battle, right?

World War Hulk -- Mainstay of the team. TRUE WorldBreaker form, the one causing Earthquakes at a single step, beats SBP in a punchout, sunlight or no. No argument dependent on explosions, no matter how big or small, can deny the effect strikes from Superboy Conner Kent, Legionairres in the relatively lowly class of the Colossal Boys, Sodam Yat, though fighting off lead poisoning, or the Teen Titans when they got serious, had on SBP. He takes a haymaker from TRUE WorldBreaker, he gets knocked out.
The "Vegas" form of World Breaker, the one that took on the King Kong wishing-well-enhanced forms of Wendigo and Bi-Beast, also a Hulk win.
Been told me that the "Vegas" form is just a higher range sample of World War Hulk. Based on Pak's history, sounds right.

Of course, mod ruling has stated only WWH's feats can be used. SO if this is what is neccesary...Prime wins.

From Page 13:

Note the second panel. From Hulk 41, September 2011. So for about a year now, he has been unable to absorb non-gamma energies. Please don't try to argue sunlight has gamma radiation etc etc...
Plus, I showed Thor commenting that he can't absorb his energies. So....that's TWO sources I've shown, and one of them was in a battle situation. Much like this one, in fact.

LOL this blue dude still asking for [roof of Rulk not being able to absorb energy anymore. 😆. Go read a comic hes not absorbing shit get over it

Originally posted by iceman24567
this blue dude still asking for proof of Rulk not being able to absorb energy anymore?

Yeah.

Because someone promised they would provide it.

Also because the instance of Thor saying as much was revealed later to be a ruse by Banner, an important consideration in this particular matchup, given Banner IS World War Hulk and all ...

Page 13. I provided it, but I guessed you skipped over it. Don't worry, I posted it again on this page.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, current versions unless otherwise stated.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Yeah.

Because someone promised they would provide it.

Also because the instance of Thor saying as much was revealed later to be a ruse by Banner, an important consideration in this particular matchup, given Banner IS World War Hulk and all ...

Got proof that it was a ruse?

Lulz blue is just trolling the proof that Rulk can't absorb anything but gamma is right there. Maybe in the future this will change or be retconned ect but for this thread his absorbing power isn't working on Prime 👆

Originally posted by iceman24567
Mod ruling so blue can shut up or i will report her/him/it

Member bashing is also not allowed so I'd watch the insults if I were you.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Member bashing is also not allowed so I'd watch the insults if I were you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Of course, you ignored the scans showing Prime punching his way out during battle, right?

I presume you are talking about the Phantom Zone being punched out of?

That's not bad, but that's ignoring the times Prime has gotten removed to other places and been trapped there.

The Sun Eater station at the end of Infinite Crisis #7 and the Speed Force dimension are 2 places immediately coming to mind.

In the case of the latter, that was apparently a period lasting several years. Unless I am very much mistaken, the Flashes actually stopped Prime than any other group of heroes.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I presume you are talking about the Phantom Zone being punched out of?

That's not bad, but that's ignoring the times Prime has gotten removed to other places and been trapped there.

The Sun Eater station at the end of Infinite Crisis #7 and the Speed Force dimension are 2 places immediately coming to mind.

In the case of the latter, that was apparently a period lasting several years. Unless I am very much mistaken, the Flashes actually stopped Prime than any other group of heroes.

He was being sapped of energy constantly by a being capable of eating stars 😬. Prime had 3 speedsters actively keeping him in the speedforce 😬. In the latter he finally broke free because he was "too fast" so whatever point you were trying to make 👇

Originally posted by Diesldude
I think that was weakness exploitation and BFR. Big big difference.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He was being sapped of energy constantly by a being capable of eating stars 😬

Prime only has powers in yellow sunlight. It wasn't "constantly sapping" energy as you claim; there was no superenergy TO sap.
Prime's power was more or less exhausted on Mogo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Prime had 3 speedsters actively keeping him in the speedforce 😬. In the latter he finally broke free because he was "too fast" so whatever point you were trying to make 👇

What you're telling me here doesn't make sense either.

Bart says he spent several YEARS there.

What, they were chasing him around for months at a time there?

Have you read the scans I posted.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I think that was weakness exploitation and BFR. Big big difference.

In the sense that either method translates into a win for the Marvel team, there's not much of a difference at all.

If you want another dimensional place that had Prime stopped for a very long time, look no further than the dimension he and Alex and Superman of Earth-2 and Lois were trapped in at the start of the series.

You can argue he broke out eventually, but examine how many YEARS it took him before he finally did so.

The time either place had Prime removed from the battlefied translates into a BFR forum win pretty much any place I know of.