Dooku vs Maul

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Maybe it is time to agree and disagree Power/Mom.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Maybe it is time to agree and disagree Power/Mom. I clearly wont be able to convince you that destroying a top tier Jedi is a better feat than surviving against maybe a better jedi for 30 seconds, but then clearly you either heavily ovrestimate the difference between Yoda and Jinn, or heavily underestimate the difference between surviving against someone, and wrecking them with ease.

You keep saying Dooku was just surviving against Yoda and not actually putting up a decent fight. Based on what? I could turn that around and say Yoda was just surviving against Dooku.

And For GOD's sake! If Jinn was on Yoda's level when Maul stomped him, then Maul would have been Sidious's Master not vice versa. And Padawan Obi-Wan wouldn't have lasted a second against him.

If you can't see how ridiculous that is then your beyond help.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You keep saying Dooku was just surviving against Yoda and not actually putting up a decent fight. Based on what? I could turn that around and say Yoda was just surviving against Dooku.

And For GOD's sake! If Jinn was on Yoda's level when Maul stomped him, then Maul would have been Sidious's Master not vice versa. And Padawan Obi-Wan wouldn't have lasted a second against him.

If you can't see how ridiculous that is then your beyond help.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You keep saying Dooku was just surviving against Yoda and not actually putting up a decent fight. Based on what? I could turn that around and say Yoda was just surviving against Dooku.

You would be right to do that. In which case it proves nothing for either of them.

And For GOD's sake! If Jinn was on Yoda's level when Maul stomped him, then Maul would have been Sidious's Master not vice versa.

I acknowledged that possibly only Yoda out of the Jedi could be considered a notch about Jinn. But anyways Maul was almost undoubvtably better sabe rpractitioner thn sidious anyway so im not sure what your point is, sidious holds the advantage in the force however whic is how he would controls him.

And Padawan Obi-Wan wouldn't have lasted a second against him.

Only time Padaan Obi fought without help he was enraged and fighting well beyind his bailitys.

If you can't see how ridiculous that is then your beyond help.

And if you can't see how ridiculous what you is saying is, then you have nothing left to give me... except your death. See you in hell pal after I kill you.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
But anyways Maul was almost undoubvtably better sabe rpractitioner thn sidious anyway

Maul got his ass whooped by Sidious in sabers bro, even with Savage as backup.

Hell he got beat by Obi-Wan, again with his bro. You're crazy.

I havent been watching CW cartoons but according to ultimateanomaly Maul spent all that time trapped in a cave or something not doing anything and going crazy, so wouldnt he probably be a lot worse by the CW?

Who knows. He doesn't appear to be worse and nothing points to him being worse. It doesn't matter, Sidious is still far above him in all incarnations.

In just sabers? Doubt it. As said Maull when starved and having not slept for over a week, almost defeated Sidious in a lightsaber battle, and this was early in his apprenticeship.

He has the better saber efats, he performs better on camera, and is a saber specialist who mastered the double bladed lightsaber, the most demanidng form of all.

But he didn't defeat him. Sidious was merely training him. It was not an actual fight, because if it was Sidious would have killed him. It was simply an extreme boost from extreme rage. This is a well documented thing, see: Luke vs Vader.

Sidious would have slaughtered Qui-Gon and Kenobi, much faster than it took for Maul to fail to do so.

Sidious is his clear superior, with Mace Windu requiring to boost himself to merely draw with him and needing Shatterpoint to win, and fighting equally with Yoda. He also massacred 3 Jedi Masters (stated to be 3v of the best bladesbeasts in the Order) in mere seconds. Sidious is far faster than Maul and he will dominate him in a saber battle.

Sidious has also defeated Maul in sabers, casually. When Maul had backup.

Personally? I wouldn't even put Maul on Dooku's level. Before or after TPM.

You overestmiate Sidious' skills and underestmiate Qui-Gon's. Qui-Gon was on par with Mace Windu and anoon bondara, he was not like those noob Jedi Masters that Sidious killed easily.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
You overestmiate Sidious' skills and underestmiate Qui-Gon's. Qui-Gon was on par with Mace Windu and anoon bondara, he was not like those noob Jedi Masters that Sidious killed easily.

You've yet to prove that Qui-Gon is on par with Mace.

Who cares about Anoon Bondara. It was revealed that the only quote alluding to his greatness was bunk.

And We have no idea how good Windu was at that point.

And lol @ noob Jedi Masters. I'd give Fisto a win over Jinn any day of the week.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who cares about Anoon Bondara. It was revealed that the only quote alluding to his greatness was bunk.

And We have no idea how good Windu was at that point.

And lol @ noob Jedi Masters. I'd give Fisto a win over Jinn any day of the week.

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lol people seem to actually really rate Kit Fistos skills here.

You don't need to be rated particularly highly to be considered superior to Qui-Gon.

I'd give Ventress a win over him too.

Well technically Maul defeated Kenobi with the Force Push. And that was without help from Savage.

So it is that Qui-Gon is extremely underrated then...

Originally posted by Arhael
Technically Maul defeated Kenobi with help of Savage. With Savage being hurt Maul wouldn't be able to get enraged to muster that Force push, attachments give a lot if power. 😄

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
So it is that Qui-Gon is extremely underrated then...

Give me a reason not to underrate him and I might not do so.

Until then he is only as impressive as you can prove him to be.

Making Anoon Bondara, the best swordsmen in the order, feeling humbled when sparring with him? Being on par with Mace Windu as a swordsman? All this, btw, while not even a saber specialist but a consular.

Leanring to become a force ghost unaided and making prime Yoda his padawan?

Joining the family of the One son Mortis, home to the most powerful force users in history, among the likes of Revan and Bane?