Dooku vs Maul

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Probabl;y as in your opinion bro.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Prove it if Maul was close to killing him naturally idious woul fight back.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
This was a fluke and an enraged Obi-Wan caught Maul off guard.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Prove it. Qui-Gon was on par weith the best swordsmen in the order,

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
when did Dooku ever get such claims?

"Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground...''

- Dooku was the tempels lightsaber instructor.
- Mastering the ''ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat'' style to its highest degree.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Same Grievous who kit Fisto tools with ease>

With ease?
The same Grievous that put 5 jedi on their ass..

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
With the Force?

Originally posted by Jedi Mom

A superior version (AotC Kenobi) got pwned much worse than TPM Kenobi did - Dooku was toying with him, did you see his grin and hear his taunts? Maul, on the other hand, got put on his ass and lost half of his lightsaber.

There's nothing to suggest that AOTC Kenobi was as powerful as a Rage Enahanced TPM Kenobi.

Also Maul had been fighting for quite a while when he faced the completely revitalized and rage enhanced Obi-Wan. Whilst Dooku was completely fresh when he tooled AOTC Kenobi.

"He is a fencer. Leverage, position, advantage—they are as natural to him as breathing." - Qui-Gon Jinn.

"Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground...''

- Dooku was the tempels lightsaber instructor.
- Mastering the ''ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat'' style to its highest degree.

Ok so maybe you can make a case that Dooku is also among the best swordsmen as well, but you certainly cannot proved that he would eb able to handle Qui-Gon or Anoon Bondara with the ease that Maul did.

Face it, none of the feats you listed comes close to Maul trouncing some of the best Jedi swordsmens in the order with ease. Dooku's best feats were done with the Force, with just a saber Maul comes out on top.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis

Face it, none of the feats you listed comes close to Maul trouncing some of the best Jedi swordsmens in the order with ease. Dooku's best feats were done with the Force, with just a saber Maul comes out on top.

Dooku fought off Yoda Twice with just a Saber.

Where are people getting that not being killed by Yoda in seconds is somehow a feat? So he survived for 30 seconds so what? Especially when everybody is syaing that Yoda was probably holding back or Dooku was in a darkside nexus the second time. All Dooku did was survive and end the fight by dropping something on the duo and forcing Yoda to save them.

And I personally think Maul might have a veyr good chance of defeating Yoda, given both his athleticism and his skill, both of which is vast.

Face it, wrecking Anoon Bondara and Qui-Gon Jinn beats the pure saber feats of anybody else in the movies. Maul has the best saber resume of any Jedis or Siths from the movies, easily.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Where are people getting that not being killed by Yoda in seconds is somehow a feat? So he survived for 30 seconds so what? Especially when everybody is syaing that Yoda was probably holding back or Dooku was in a darkside nexus the second time. All Dooku did was survive and end the fight by dropping something on the duo and forcing Yoda to save them.

He fought him off pretty evenly for that 30 seconds. He presumably fought him off for a lot longer on Vjun. Again quite evenly.

And I don't buy the idea that Yoda was holding back on Genosia. It's completely unfounded and would make Yoda a retard who should have retired straight away his position as Grand Master of the Jedi Order.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
And I personally think Maul might have a veyr good chance of defeating Yoda, given both his athleticism and his skill, both of which is vast.

LOL You think Maul is more athletic and more skilled than Yoda??

If you really think that then you need to get your head examined son.

Vjun was apparently dark nexus.

How exactly was it even? What is even if not neither opponent being killed? It's hard for a lot to take place in 30 seconds, that Dooku didn;t get killed or steamrolled in that short amoutn of time is no feat, and I have no issue with thinking Maul would replicate it, easily.

Not as athletic, but more skilled. Overall, greater combination of th tow, imo.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis

How exactly was it even? What is even if not neither opponent being killed?

No one getting killed, disarmed, put on their rear e.t.c. There was no advantage given on either side. The only clue we had that Dooku would eventually lose were Yoda's words "Fought well you have my former padawan," and Dooku fleeing.

But even him fleeing isn't really that bad considering there were troops on the way.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
It's hard for a lot to take place in 30 seconds, that Dooku didn;t get killed or steamrolled in that short amoutn of time is no feat,

Tell that to Ventress who couldn't last a second against Yoda. Or tell it to Fisto, Tiin or Kolar who couldn't last a few seconds against Sidious.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
and I have no issue with thinking Maul would replicate it, easily.

Yeah but it's just your thinking with no proof.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Not as athletic, but more skilled. Overall, greater combination of th tow, imo.

Yoda's obviously much more athletic (and you were implying Maul was more athletic), and I don't know how you can think Maul is more skilled when Yoda has completely mastered every single form.

Tell that to Ventress who couldn't last a second against Yoda. Or tell it to Fisto, Tiin or Kolar who couldn't last a few seconds against Sidious.

And? I never argued that Yoda was SO far beyond Dooku that you could only expect quick finish on his part. What I mean is, for two top tier guys, 30 seconds is not a lot of time. The poeple you mention are clearly not top tier and outclassed by those that are.

Yeah but it's just your thinking with no proof.

He has better resume with just sabers AND by visual evidence he is the mroe skilled swordsman while also being plenty athletic in his own right.

Likeiwse you have no proog that yoda would destroy Maul in 30 seconds if that is what you are syauing.

Yoda may have once mastered every form but he opnly uses one and he is possibly rusty with old age as he does not display the same skoll that Maul does in the movies.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
And? I never argued that Yoda was SO far beyond Dooku that you could only expect quick finish on his part. What I mean is, for two top tier guys, 30 seconds is not a lot of time. The poeple you mention are clearly not top tier and outclassed by those that are.

30 seconds is a lot of time to be fighting so evenly. It's not like Yoda was kicking ass and Dooku was barley surviving. He fought him off evenly for that long. Oh and that was after the whole Force fight.

So yeah very impressive for Dooku.

Btw the whole Mace vs Sidious fight is about 45 seconds on screen and they were supposed to be dead even.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
as he does not display the same skoll that Maul does in the movies.

so we're talking movies only? The best Maul was killing Qui-Gon. Not saying Qui-Gon is bad, but he's not top tier.

Qui-Gon was both one of the best swordsmen in the order, and so powerful that he learnt how to become a Force Ghost on his own and later became one of the family of the Ones on Mortis, who were the most powerful Force Users in history, joining the likes of Darth Bane and Revan. He is absolutely top tier.

In fact he has a far better resume than Dooku does, and was much bigger, more important character.

Darth Power: as long as there is no victor every lightsaber fight will look kinda even. As the only blows that land will usually be killing blows, when a fight is taking place no blows usually land. This means that essentially every attack is also met with a defence. So you can say it was even but all that basically means is that the fight continued and Dooku was not dead. And for only again, a mere 30 seconds.

Like I said before, this is not a feat. Try again bro.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis

Darth Power: as long as there is no victor every lightsaber fight will look kinda even. As the only blows that land will usually be killing blows, when a fight is taking place no blows usually land. This means that essentially every attack is also met with a defence. So you can say it was even but all that basically means is that the fight continued and Dooku was not dead. And for only again, a mere 30 seconds.

Like I said before, this is not a feat. Try again bro.

No, the superior fighter will usually land kicks, punches, force their opponent backwards (although some people like Kenobi will voluntarily give ground).

Even if Yoda won in the next 10 seconds I would still hold that Dooku put up a damn good fight. After all Mace vs Sidious was well under a minute and even though Mace won, you'd be mad to say it wasn't a good fight.

This is stupid. How is Maul vs Sidious more of a feat than Dooku vs Yoda? Makes no sense.

and prove that Qui-Gon was one of the best swordsmen in the order. Does he even have any feats.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No, the superior fighter will usually land kicks, punches, force their opponent backwards (although some people like Kenobi will voluntarily give ground).

Even if Yoda won in the next 10 seconds I would still hold that Dooku put up a damn good fight. After all Mace vs Sidious was well under a minute and even though Mace won, you'd be mad to say it wasn't a good fight.

Yoda's style (not to mention his frame) isn't built for melee attacks, not to mention his style is about frenetic, backwards, forwards and lateral movement to disorient his opponent, so it would be against his style to continuously push his opponent back. So everything that you mentioned goes compeltely against Yoda's style as a fighter.

You don;t seem to be veyr well informed on the art of fighting or duelling. 30 seconds, among top tier guys, is no time at all, usually high level fighters that are even sldightly within the same realm f prowess take at least a minute for a feeling out process, to get used to the timing and general feel of the opponent, which is something that is unique among all fighters.

Youre argument has no egg to stand on buddy. Dooku surviving against Yoda for 30 seconds is not a feat and proves nothing except... that Dooku sn't a complete noob next to somebody like Yoda.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
This is stupid. How is Maul vs Sidious more of a feat than Dooku vs Yoda? Makes no sense.

Maul actually came close to killing his opoonent and as Power said he had been starved and fatigued for a week beforehand. Not to mention, what his best feats are are his fights against Qui-Gon and Bondara.

and prove that Qui-Gon was one of the best swordsmen in the order. Does he even have any feats.

It is stated in canon, and he gave Bondara and Mace Windu tough battles in their sparring contests. And he was probably most powereful with the Force of the entire order.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Maul actually came close to killing his opoonent and as Power said he had been starved and fatigued for a week beforehand.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
It is stated in canon, and he gave Bondara and Mace Windu tough battles in their sparring contests.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
And he was probably most powereful with the Force of the entire order.

No. He doesn't have any feats whatsoever so this is wrong.

Your attemopts to delay my responses are trsnaprent and petty/devious. I do not have time to search fro the source, it exists, it happened, it is in canoin.

Qui-Gon both learnt how to become a Force Ghost without any training and took on Yoda as his padawan, and was later invited to join the family of the Ones on Mortis, which was only offered to the most poweerful of Force Users,

But you still have to back your statements with proof, otherwise its just considered as your opinion.