Originally posted by Nephthys
He manged to pull the Jedi's shuttle off a cliff to 8lock pursuit in the new episode.
Yeah I heard. I still don't see him coming out on top, especially considering that was an extremely desperate maul. Also he outright lost to a Kenobi that would be weaker than his ROTS incarnation.
Actually rewatching the fight Maul's got some TK chops now. He ragdolled Kenobi, twice.
However Dooku should be physically Maul's superior considering he was able to block both Kenobi and Skywalker's blade in a one handed saber lock, and Savage and Maul combined had difficulty pushing Kenobi back.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
However Dooku should be physically Maul's superior
I doubt that. Maul's upper body strength was enough to easily twist Opress's arm. And his mechanical feet were strong enough to keep Opress pinned down.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
and Savage and Maul combined had difficulty pushing Kenobi back.
I remember them having trouble defeating him because he just outclassed them in combat skill.
I don't remember them having difficulty in just pushing him back though.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I doubt that. Maul's upper body strength was enough to easily twist Opress's arm. And his mechanical feet were strong enough to keep Opress pinned down.
The same Maul that couldn't overpower Obi-Wan in a saber lock when he had Savage supporting him.
I remember them having trouble defeating him because he just outclassed them in combat skill.I don't remember them having difficulty in just pushing him back though.
They had a lot of difficulty. The only time Maul and Savage had the edge it was because of Mauls TK. Kenobi outright stomped them in raw sabers.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Either we didn't watch the same episode or your definition of "stomp" differs wildly from mine.
Kenobi was evading and blocking both of their attacks with barely any stress, and was simultaneously landing blows on Savage. He won in seconds dude. That fight barely lasted a minute. That's why Maul resorted to TK.
Originally posted by Nephthys
O8i-Wan 'won' 8y 8eing tactical and repeatedly focusing on Savage's knee. That doesn't show that he's 8etter than them in 'raw sa8ers'. 8efore that they had him dead to rights, pressed up to a wall. He couldn't 8eat them str8 up, end of story imo.
How is that not show he is better. He broke Savage's knee...that wasn't his weak spot or anything.
Mizukage_Yoda
Kenobi was evading and blocking both of their attacks with barely any stress,
Obi-Wan tried more than once to isolate them through kicks rather than take them both on. We also saw that more than once did each brother fall back to allow the other the opportunity to take Obi-Wan on alone. The confined quarters would clearly hamper the Zabraks as much as aid them; coordination was a priority lest a brother accidentally lose a limb at the hands of his brother. When Obi-Wan clashed with both of them at once, he had his back against the wall and only broke the lock by buckling Savage's knee, which he had been working on the entire fight.
It's telling why Obi-Wan retreated when taking the brothers on in open quarters after Adi Gallia was killed.
Mizukage_Yoda
and was simultaneously landing blows on Savage.
Until the last one, those blows were overwhelmingly underwhelming.
Mizukage_Yoda
He won in seconds dude.
"Won"?
Maul still had his weapons and both arms. How exactly did Obi-Wan win by being thrown down the corridor and buried alive?
Mizukage_Yoda
That fight barely lasted a minute.
And?
Mizukage_Yoda
That's why Maul resorted to TK.
Pretty weak, man. One could use the same logic to say that Obi-Wan was fvcked, ergo he resorted to kicks to win the day.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Obi-Wan tried more than once to isolate them through kicks rather than take them both on. We also saw that more than once did each brother fall back to allow the other the opportunity to take Obi-Wan on alone. The confined quarters would clearly hamper the Zabraks as much as aid them; coordination was a priority lest a brother accidentally lose a limb at the hands of his brother. When Obi-Wan clashed with both of them at once, he had his back against the wall and only broke the lock by buckling Savage's knee, which he had been working on the entire fight.
Your point is mute because the only reason Kenobi had his back against the wall was because Maul TK'ed him. Until then he was doing fine. Meaning in raw swordsmanship Kenobi is vastly superior to both of them.
It's telling why Obi-Wan retreated when taking the brothers on in open quarters after Adi Gallia was killed.
Until the last one, those blows were overwhelmingly underwhelming.
"Won"?
Maul still had his weapons and both arms. How exactly did Obi-Wan win by being thrown down the corridor and buried alive?
And?
"Look at them, how powerful can they be they are running away from Kenobi." It is clear they were making a withdrawal, and clear Kenobi bested them. It is stated by the staff that Kenobi defeated them.
Pretty weak, man. One could use the same logic to say that Obi-Wan was fvcked, ergo he resorted to kicks to win the day.
Mizukage_Yoda
Your point is mute because the only reason Kenobi had his back against the wall was because Maul TK'ed him. Until then he was doing fine. Meaning in raw swordsmanship Kenobi is vastly superior to both of them.
Well that does explain why Obi-Wan killed Maul pretty quickly when Adi was fighting Savage.
Mizukage_Yoda
Wut, both brothers are physical juggernaughts, in an enclosed space they should have the advantage.
Sure, if they're willing to maim or potentially kill the other.
Mizukage_Yoda
Because Kenobi was way faster than both of them and was able to not get into saber locks.
I'm talking about the kicks, are you talking about the swords?
Mizukage_Yoda
And?
"Look at them, how powerful can they be they are running away from Kenobi." It is clear they were making a withdrawal, and clear Kenobi bested them. It is stated by the staff that Kenobi defeated them.
Again, what part of Obi-Wan being ragdolled and buried alive constitutes a victory on his part?
Mizukage_Yoda
How is that weak at all?
Kenobi was landing blows in on Savage and Maul while dodging all of their attacks. The only time the Maul brothers had anything close to of advantage was when Maul TKed him. That shows me that in raw sabers and physical ability Kenobi is their superior.
If that were so, Obi-Wan would have trashed Maul the other two times in the show he fought him one-on-one. Not buying it.