I'd like to see this vaunted quote from the Cestus Deception stating that Obi-Wan thinks Kit Fisto is a superior duelist to him.
As I see it, there are only two factors being brought up here in defense of Kit Fisto's prowess: 1. His easy handling of Grievous, and 2. This quote from Cestus Deception.
I get the feeling that both are being blown out of proportion.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Also, Kenobi himself describes Fisto as the better swordsman here in another section from The Cestus Deception (apologies for the shitty formatting in my previous post):"For two hours Obi-Wan Kenobi and Kit Fisto had practiced with
their lightsabers, increasing their pace slowly and steadily as the
minutes passed. The cargo bay sizzled with an energized metallic tang as
their sabers singed moisture from the air.A Jedi's life was his or her lightsaber. Some criticized the
weapon, saying that a blaster or bomb was more efficient, making it easier for
a soldier to kill from a distance. To those who reckoned such
things statistically, this was an important advantage. But a Jedi was not a soldier, not an assassin, not a killer,
although upon occasion they had been forced into such roles. For Jedi Knights,
the interaction between Jedi and the life-form in question was a vital aspect
of the energy field from which they drew their powers. Ship-to-ship
combat, sentient versus nonsentient, warrior against warrior: it mattered not.
The interaction itself created a web of energy. A Jedi climbed it, surfed
it, drew power from it. In standing within arm's reach of an opponent, a
Jedi walked the edge between life and death.Obi-Wan and Kit had been engaged for an hour now, each seeking
holes in the other's defense. Obi-Wan swiftly discovered that Kit was the
better swordfighter, astonishingly aggressive and intuitive in comparison with Obi-Wan's more measured style.
But the Nautolan gave himself deliberate disadvantages, hampered himself in terms
of balance, limited his speed, emphasized his nondominant side to
force himself to full attention, the kind of full attention that can be
best accessed only when life itself is at risk. To relax and feel the flow
of the Force under such stress was the true road to mastery.A Master from the Sabilon region of Glee Anselm, Kit was
a practitioner of Form I lightsaber combat: it was the most ancient style
of fighting, based on ancient sword techniques. Obi-Wan's own Padawan
learner, Anakin, used Form V, which concentrated on strength. The lethal Count
Dooku had used Form II, an elegant, precise style that stressed
advanced precision in blade manipulation. Obi-Wan himself specialized in Form III. This form grew out
of laser-blast deflection training, and maximized defensive protection.For hours the two danced without music, at first falling into
apreplanned series of moves and countermoves learned in the Temple
under Master Yoda's tutelage. As they grew more accustomed to each
other's rhythms, they progressed into a flowing web of spontaneous
engagement. Slowly, minute by minute, they increased pace, stuttered the
rhythm, increasing the acuteness of attack angles and beginning to utilize
feints and distractions, binds, rapid changes in level, and to introduce
random environmental elements into the interaction: furniture, walls,
slippery floors. To an observer it would have seemed that the two were trying
to slaughter each other, but the two knew that they were engaged in the
most profound and enjoyable aspect of Jedi play, lightsaber flow."Hell, it even mentions the fact that Fisto had to handicap himself in order to allow Kenobi a fair playing field. With that being said, it's extremely hard to argue for Kenobi being the better warrior, let alone in a another league as compared to Fisto. Kit is every bit as good as Kenobi, if not better.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not including Cestus Deception? All of their duels in TCW (or any canon source as far as I remember) were either very close fights, or with Ventress fighting off both Obi Wan and Anakin at the same time. I don't remember Obi Wan ever tooling her as easily as he did Grievous.
Have I ever said he tooled her as easily as he did Grievous? No. And while their fights may be close, Ventress has never actually bested Kenobi (except arguably in CD). By contrast, Kenobi has bested her at least twice.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Unless we are to assume that him being able to last against Vader > him tooling Grievous, I don't see how having that as an extra feat puts him above Fisto. And I don't assume that, seeing how there are a number of circumstantial factors to be consider in his duel with Vader, and seeing how he could not have done any better than he did against Grievous.
Considering that Anakin is a good match for Dooku (even when not in teh z0ne), holding your own for as long as Kenobi did is a far more impressive feat. Were the certain circumstances? Sure, but most of these play both ways. And truthfully, they don't really lower how impressive it is.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The point I'm trying to make is that if Kenobi is so far ahead of Fisto, then it seems like he would have done significantly better than Fisto did against Grievous, considering his advantage of more experience with Grievous. In fact, I'd still argue that Fisto actually did a little better than Kenobi did.
Once again, looking solely at how they fared against Grievous is flawed. After all, as I've already mentioned, even Mace Windu does not do any better than Fisto. And solely based on that, we certainly aren't going to assume Fisto is Windu's equal. So why are we doing this with Kenobi when he, like Windu, has better feats?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Correct, it's actually more like 9.Fight starts @ 0.16 and ends for him @ 0.25.
Good old Glass-Jaw Kenobi.
Originally posted by ares834
Have a link?Edit: Saw it. Considering he engages her a little bit later I'm not inclined to say she knocked him out. Knocked him over and got his saber away sure, but knocked out... I'm not sure.
You can see him in the background as she fights Anakin. He's still unconscious on the floor.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Have I mentioned how much I hate TCW?How do you tank a *****-slap from super-human cyborg Grievous in RotS and get KO'd by a single kick from Ventress?
Yeah, CW has some wonky power levels. I mean Savage goes from knocking around Dooku to getting stomped by Maul and Savage.