COUNT DOOKU & GENERAL KENOBI vs DARTH SIDEOUS

Started by DARTH POWER21 pages

Oh jeez your whole post deserves a big facepalm

Originally posted by The_Tempest

😂

Now that the episode has aired and its outcome differed radically from the one you proposed, it's time for some my much-deserved gloating and condescension.

HaHahaha!

I'm the one who should be gloating! Really! Obi-Wan did show Maul up in Sabers. I was doing you guys a favor by being quiet. But if you really want to make a fool out of yourself then Ok, it's your suicide mission.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
This turn of events, no doubt, is in part why you demanded that discussion of the Zabraks' duel against Sidious be tabled until the event in question airs on TV.

I never "Demanded" this. Go back and read. What I was "demanding" or "complaining" about was S66 making things up that were not in the novel.

As for the argument of waiting until the episode, all I said the on screen version is usually different, although the result will be the same. I even gave the example of the ROTS Dooku vs Obi-Wan/Anakin fight, how in the novel and movie the result is the same, however the novel makes no mention of Count almost owning both of them for example.

But S66 said until the episode is aired the novel, and I said fair enough. I really don't see what your issue is here, except that your over-sensitive over any argument involving Palpatine.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Setting aside the fact that SIDIOUS66 at least had access to a canon source that directly portrayed the fight (an advantage you didn't share with respect to this fight until yesterday),

Another
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No I just access to an interview with the Supervising Director discussing the final episode after it was screened. Where he specifically discussed how Obi-Wan was able to defeat the duo. I already posted it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
your conduct here was completely hypocritical and utterly premature. Desperate as you were to seize a victory here that continues to elude you even now, you refused to apply yourself to the same standard you demanded SIDIOUS66 adhered to when it suited your argument.

Again no it wasn't. I had access to the discussion of the fight in question in an interview with Dave Filoni.

And again I never demanded S66 ignore the novel version of events.

The only one whose being desperate here is you Tempest. Your so desperate to Gloat and win this Point, that you actually have no idea what your even arguing.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Your conduct against SIDIOUS66 notwithstanding, worse was your conduct with respect to me.

Oh really? This should be good.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
A cursory examination of the earlier discussion between you and SIDIOUS66 reveals that you pulled a similar stunt with him (for which he called you out): when things didn't go your way, you started lobbing limp-wristed insults like "fanboy, fanboy!" in his direction. What makes it worse here is that the only "Sidious" I was remotely defending was the poster, not the character.

Oh GOD not the oversensitive fanboy s*** again. I spent pages trying to get through to S66 that I wasn't insulting him. My actual comment in that thread wasn't directed solely at S66. It was the general stance the pro-Sidious argument was taking which had nothing to do with what was represented in the novel.

But the luscious cherry on top of the sundae that is your abject failure is no doubt your response when called out again by SIDIOUS66:

Because apparently a very recent history of using double standards and hurling insults unprovoked does not qualify as childish behavior? 😂

Originally posted by The_Tempest
In summary, your blatant and persistent use of double standards when it came to relying on information not publicly aired came tumbling around your ears; your attempt to save face by hurling insults when called out on your ridiculous behavior led you to again use double standards (it's okay for you to call SIDIOUS66 and myself fanboys, but it's not okay for me to tell you you lose? 😂 ); and your glaring use of a strawman fallacy to further derail the discussion met with similar success (which is to say none). So when the smoke from the carnage caused by your wild, chaotic, desperation-fueled flailing, you are in fact no closer to winning this argument and have only succeeded in reducing your already paltry credibility with the noble men and women of this fine message board.

Hahaha... Are you really this dense? I never called you a fanboy! I said I know your a bigger Sidious fan than him, and act all over sensitive over any Sidious issues. Do I have to spell out for you WHY I SAID THIS!

Perhaps because I know who your a SOCK OF! Jeez! I was trying to be discreet in calling you out as a Sock, but your just askiing for it arn't you!

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Your grandiose failure is now complete and I urge you to retire from the internet community altogether in order to recede into the depths of your mediocrity in private.

Spoiler:
If moderators are lurking, I'm just kidding.*

*I'm really not. teehehehe

Yeah nice talk from THE SOCK! This very suggestion coming from a Sock is just out right laughable!

Now as for the Maul/Opress and Obi-Wan fight.

I know it escaped your eyes, as all you wanted to do was gloat to me later, but Kenobi clearly outclassed them both in Sabers. And he did match them both in the Saber fight! You just can't get around that.

The whole idea of Fisto being in Kenobi's league as a Swordsman now is completely laughable and an embarrassing stance to take. I was simply trying to prevent you and the Fisto supporters from falling into this embarrassment by warning you of what's coming in the next episode.

The fact that Maul is more powerful in the Force is completely irrelevant to any of the points I was making in this thread. And I've actually always known the fight ends with a Force Push from Maul.

Double post error.

This thread man.....

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh GOD not the oversensitive fanboy s*** again.

Your personal opinion about us is not important enough to be sensitive over. Pay attention to what he is trying to get through to you: he is calling you out on your hypocritical behavior.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I spent pages trying to get through to S66 that I wasn't insulting him. My actual comment in that thread wasn't directed solely at S66. It was the general stance the pro-Sidious argument was taking which had nothing to do with what was represented in the novel.

An insult is an insult whether it's directed at one person or a group of people. Either way, you certainly had no room to talk.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The whole idea of Fisto being in Kenobi's league as a Swordsman now is completely laughable and an embarrassing stance to take.

No, the whole idea that Kenobi is a challenge to Sidious in sabers and that he and Dooku could possibly take the all-out, is a laughable stance to take.

Anywhoo, back to the topic:

The Obi Wan vs. Maul and Savage was very entertaining. But my opinion on this thread is still the same. Obi Wan may be a harder opponent to take out than Fisto due to his clever and defensive style of fighting, but this does not make him a threat to Sidious in sabers. The speed difference between the two is too great. As I said, at best Obi Wan might can manage to avoid being blitz as quickly as Kit was, but that is a big might, considering that Sidious has attacked faster than Tiin and Kolar could REACT, then Fisto seconds later. But to actually be a threat to Sidious in sabers, it would require that his opponent has a chance of landing a blow on him, which Obi Wan does not, as he lacks the speed to do so. If anything, Kit would actually have more of a chance of landing a strike on Sidious (which wasn't a chance at all), considering that his fighting style is more aggressive and can possibly attack faster than Obi Wan, seeing how he was forcing Grievous back, who in turn was faster than Obi Wan (overloading Obi Wan's defenses in ROTS). So my question is: how is Obi Wan going to be any help to Dooku if the best he can do to is to keep himself from getting blitzed?

As for the force and all out, Sidious dominates those as well. Sidious can take Obi Wan out with the force when ever he wants. If Sidious can ragdoll Maul (who can move ships) with the force, then Obi Wan would not be a problem, and Dooku is not fast enough to stop Sidious, nor is he powerful enough to even it out.

S66 don't you start as well. I've done nothing wrong on this thread at all. It's Tempest who began with the accusations towards me, simply because he read Mine and Your debate from weeks/months ago and didn't like my responses there.

So not being around at the time he was just itching to take a dig at me, but has not properly thought out what he's actually having a go at me about.

He's not actually got a point. He's just being a jerk. So I urge you not to follow in his footsteps S66. I actually think your alright. Don't make the mistake of backing him up just because he's claiming to back you up. He's actually not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This thread man.....

I agree I'm done with Tempest.

I'm sure anything he says now I've already responded to anyway.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Don't forget my contributions. While few in number (you know... having a FT job and being a FT college student takes up a good portion of my time), they were weighty in... weight.

When the time comes that the final tabulations are to be made, your contributions shan't be forgotten, my loyal servant.

DARTH POWER
I never "Demanded" this.

One should not lie when proof of one's deceit is so readily available. 😬

The_Tempest, pg 12
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You lose:

[quote]DARTH POWER
Anyway I agree with Borbarad. There's no point in discussing this until we see how the fight plays out on Tv. I find it unlikely that Sidious will waste both of them together that badly.

But it's okay to keep bringing up Obi-Wan's performance against Savage and Maul in an episode that hasn't publicly aired. 😂 [/quote]

^ Incontrovertible proof of your hypocritical demands has been posted once before and now again for your erudition.

DARTH POWER
Now as for the Maul/Opress and Obi-Wan fight.

I know it escaped your eyes, as all you wanted to do was gloat to me later, but Kenobi clearly outclassed them both in Sabers. And he did match them both in the Saber fight! You just can't get around that.

The whole idea of Fisto being in Kenobi's league as a Swordsman now is completely laughable and an embarrassing stance to take. I was simply trying to prevent you and the Fisto supporters from falling into this embarrassment by warning you of what's coming in the next episode.

The fact that Maul is more powerful in the Force is completely irrelevant to any of the points I was making in this thread. And I've actually always known the fight ends with a Force Push from Maul.

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DARTH POWER, pg 11
Ooohh I'd be careful of using the word "inevitable" especially when we're gna see Kenobi defeat Maul and Opress in a couple of days.

This debate will be finished then.

[quote]DARTH POWER, pg 14
Yeah Maul's definitely more powerful with the Force
DARTH POWER, pg 14
I know Maul overpowered him with the Force,

DARTH POWER, pg 14
But yeah Maul clearly overpowered Obi-Wan with the force. Maul has become powerful.
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What you initially claimed (Obi-Wan would defeat Maul & Savage) would happen is not what actually happened by your own admission. You jumped the gun and, consequently, your shot went way wide.

By all means, continue to lead the tour of the vast expanse that is your stupidity and deceitful nature, for it is a vivid and breathtaking monument to the abyssal depths of human error.

😂

Kenobi>>>Fisto

All that needs to be said. 😎

no

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

no

....

Well, damn.

What you just did is tantamount to attempted rape of my soul. I will not have it.

Tzeentch._
Obi-Wan has also been a badass fighter. He's the Wolverine of Star Wars.

The_Tempest
In summary, your blatant and persistent use of double standards when it came to relying on information not publicly aired came tumbling around your ears; your attempt to save face by hurling insults when called out on your ridiculous behavior led you to again use double standards (it's okay for you to call SIDIOUS66 and myself fanboys, but it's not okay for me to tell you you lose? 😂 ); and your glaring use of a strawman fallacy to further derail the discussion met with similar success (which is to say none). So when the smoke from the carnage caused by your wild, chaotic, desperation-fueled flailing, you are in fact no closer to winning this argument and have only succeeded in reducing your already paltry credibility with the noble men and women of this fine message board.

Your grandiose failure is now complete and I urge you to retire from the internet community altogether in order to recede into the depths of your mediocrity in private.

Spoiler:
If moderators are lurking, I'm just kidding.*

*I'm really not. teehehehe


these guys. make sure you have babies.

mine, if there are no other takers.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
One should not lie when proof of one's deceit is so readily available. 😬

^ Incontrovertible proof of your hypocritical demands has been posted once before and now again for your erudition.

No where have I made a demand there. My opinion on it being pointless discussing it at that point is not a definition of a demand in the English language.

Funny thing is we carried on discussing the novel's versions of events after that for like 10 pages, and I had later agreed with S66 that the novel version is canon until we see otherwise.

Your just being a complete ass Tempest and you have no point at all.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
What you initially claimed (Obi-Wan would defeat Maul & Savage) would happen is not what actually happened by your own admission. You jumped the gun and, consequently, your shot went way wide.

By all means, continue to lead the tour of the vast expanse that is your stupidity and deceitful nature, for it is a vivid and breathtaking monument to the abyssal depths of human error.

😂

Oh and guess who else claimed Obi-Wan was to defeat Maul and Savage:

Originally posted by The_Tempest
From the spoilers I've read courtesy of those who have seen the season 5 premiere, Obi-Wan's defeat of Maul and Savage is extremely hard fought and context specific.

Although you claimed it was a "context specific" defeat. If by "context specific" you meant Obi-Wan just outclassed them both in combat then yeah there's your context for you.

And guess who I first heard it from? Oh yeah that's right the supervising director of the show himself:

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

And your comparing 2 completely different things. With the Obi-Wan fight I'm not going by what's written in the novel (I've not seen that part of the novel). I'm going by what the supervising director of the show said himself about why it is Obi-Wan is defeating these 2 now, when he didn't in the last episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8PEGa3Wq50&list=FLrKGT8JBJiLzK74wuMOt5sw&index=1&feature=plpp_video

It's at around 13:30.

So stop pretending him and Kenobi are in the same league then. I've posted the link above where Dave Filoni himself is saying Obi-Wan beats Maul and Opress fair and square.

Ohhh but then Kit did beat Grievous!

Your just making a complete ass out of yourself Tempest, so I'm urging you to stop this s***.

Maul being more powerful in the force does nothing to change my original point, as I never claimed Obi-Wan was more powerful or even as powerful as Maul or Savage.

And despite Maul & Opress's advantages of superior force usage and greater numbers, fact is they still utterly failed to kill or even chop anything off Obi-Wan. The reverse isn't true despite Obi-Wan's clear disadvantage of being ALONE and clearly NOT being as powerful in the Force as Maul was.

So my original point about comparing Fisto to Kenobi being absolute stupidity due to this upcoming fight was and still is a completely valid one.

Everyone but you can see that after watching the episode. So stop making an ass out of yourself. And stop with this pointless attempt to "win" here.

I'm done with you anyway. You carry on this pointless crap and I'm just putting you on ignore.

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Damn son!

Did POWER shag your 8oyfriend or something Tempest? 8ecause I think I'd remem8er something like that. 😬

Edit: You can't hide it man, I saw what you wrote. You aught to 8e ashamed.

DARTH POWER
No where have I made a demand there. My opinion on it being pointless discussing it at that point is not a definition of a demand in the English language.

Funny thing is we carried on discussing the novel's versions of events after that for like 10 pages, and I had later agreed with S66 that the novel version is canon until we see otherwise.

Your just being a complete ass Tempest and you have no point at all.

My point, which is that you adhere to different sets of standards when it suits your argument, stands as tall and erect as Tzeentch.'s sable meat pole.

[quote]DARTH POWER
Oh and guess who else claimed Obi-Wan was to defeat Maul and Savage:

DARTH POWER
Although you claimed it was a "context specific" defeat. If by "context specific" you meant Obi-Wan just outclassed them both in combat then yeah there's your context for you.

And guess who I first heard it from? Oh yeah that's right the supervising director of the show himself:

[/quote]

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You are perhaps the greatest embarrassment to the human race on record. They should put you on tour, parading you in front of special ed. classes across the nation, as a way of reassuring the handicapped hordes that, hey, it could always be worse: you could always be DARTH POWER.

Expecting you to read something with the goal of comprehending it may be too much, but perhaps you could summon what little mental capacity you have to spark some neurons into action through the cobwebbed, echoing cavern between your ears. Nevertheless, I'll try:

The_Tempest
From the spoilers I've read courtesy of those who have seen the season 5 premiere, Obi-Wan's defeat of Maul and Savage is extremely hard fought and context specific.

I qualified my statement very specifically for just that reason.

DARTH POWER
Although you claimed it was a "context specific" defeat. If by "context specific" you meant Obi-Wan just outclassed them both in combat then yeah there's your context for you.

And guess who I first heard it from? Oh yeah that's right the supervising director of the show himself:

Maul's lack of injuries, possession of his weapon, and Obi-Wan's status at the end of the fight (buried beneath a mountain of rubble, ragdolled by Maul via the Force) dictates that Obi-Wan did not defeat them, let alone "outclassed" them.

DARTH POWER
Your just making a complete ass out of yourself Tempest, so I'm urging you to stop this s***.

Maul being more powerful in the force does nothing to change my original point, as I never claimed Obi-Wan was more powerful or even as powerful as Maul or Savage.

And despite Maul & Opress's advantages of superior force usage and greater numbers, fact is they still utterly failed to kill or even chop anything off Obi-Wan. The reverse isn't true despite Obi-Wan's clear disadvantage of being ALONE and clearly NOT being as powerful in the Force as Maul was.

So my original point about comparing Fisto to Kenobi being absolute stupidity due to this upcoming fight was and still is a completely valid one.

Everyone but you can see that after watching the episode. So stop making an ass out of yourself. And stop with this pointless attempt to "win" here.

I'm done with you anyway. You carry on this pointless crap and I'm just putting you on ignore.

Your threats to put me on ignore are inconsequential. I value our interaction only for the amusement it provides in revealing you to be little more than the cesspool of insecurities and insignificance that you are.

Obi-Wan "keeping [the Zabraks] at bay" (the official website's words) does not constitute a victory. He injured Savage, which was never in question or denied. But the fight ended with Maul armed and uninjured and Obi-Wan on the receiving end of a Herculean Force pimpsmack.

"Hyuck, I outclassed my enemy by going ass first down a corridor, falling unconscious, and being buried alive!"

👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Damn son!

Did POWER shag your 8oyfriend or something Tempest? 8ecause I think I'd remem8er something like that. 😬

Edit: You can't hide it man, I saw what you wrote. You aught to 8e ashamed.

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This is my inspiration for every post. My initial one was premature, I needed to be crueler. I must slake my thirst on the tears of my fallen adversary.

Dude Kenobi is such a beast now.