COUNT DOOKU & GENERAL KENOBI vs DARTH SIDEOUS

Originally posted by ares834
Filioni claims he was focused

And was still being driven back, unable to beat Maul alone. And after Adi's death and Savage entered the fray, he continued to be driven back and fled into the caverns with the rest of Hondo's men.

Originally posted by ares834
and when Adi died he became "more focused". I'm still waiting for evidence that being focused is some unique state for Kenobi.

Filoni's explicit words were that "Obi-Wan wasn't going to lose that fight, in that situation" and that Maul and Savage were the ones (in contrast to the duel in "Revenge"😉 who "overextended." When Witwer argues that it was a tie, Filoni says no, "you lost your legs again, bro" (which was the result of the pirates, not Obi-Wan).

I'm looking forward for this duel and Mother Talzin sending Darth Maul to avenge the Night Sisters by either dueling Count Dooku or General Grievous
what do you guys think?? 😑

I doubt it will happen. From the rumors and lack of footage, I doubt Mother Talzin will be making an appearance this season.

I deftly did not say Obi-Wan won the duel. Rather I claimed that he "more than held his own".

Originally posted by ares834
I deftly did not say Obi-Wan won the duel. Rather I claimed that he "more than held his own".

I know you didn't.
What I'm telling you is that while Obi-Wan unquestionably held his own against the Zabraks, he's never beaten either one of them due to superior skill or power and has always, with the exception of the single instance in the cavern, been on the losing end.

What you're asking me to do is take an exception and make it the rule and I won't.

You don't attribute his victory over Savage to skill?

Originally posted by ares834
You don't attribute his victory over Savage to skill?

He's almost certainly more skilled than Savage, benefiting from decades of formal instruction and training.

But I'm not yet convinced he could replicate that victory under most circumstances, given the disparity in raw power.

Are you claiming your not convinced that Kenobi could replicate defeating Savage while simultaneously dueling Maul or that he would be unable to defeat Savage in a one-on-one duel? If the former I somewhat agree, if the latter I strongly disagree.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, basically.

Obi Wan is no match for Sidious's sheer speed (which comes from Sidious's power and command of the force). Three of the orders best were non-factors, why wouldn't Obi Wan be?

Two Saber (Jar'Kai) was a Factor in that duel
if you understood the Strengths as the waekness you see that Obi Wan Kenobi understood just that.
Sure it's a tactic,a tactic that worked I concur with Darth Power and the other shall I say Masters.

I concur with what you are saying,some of it ,his speed can be dropped to anything but full when he was dueling Mace.

Command of the Force?They all got it but Yoda was all over the place now picture that with Mace dueling beside Yoda and Mentally confused Anakin walking in and all of a sudden Sidious feigning
weakness.

A Tactic that is a part of Ataru's advanced techniques.
It's not hype but a factor that if truly understand your tools
you will never be defeated

if it works use it
if not discard it .

That specific reason that Filoni attributed Kenobi's success to was him being properly focused and being a "very skilled swordsman." I don't see how that's fluke or a one-off. Being "vey skilled" is nothing to do with environmental circumstances.

He didn't say it was to do with the specific environment they were in (which is actually a similar type environment to where Sidious fights the duo).

Whilst when Kenobi lost to the duo in the episode "Revenge" that's where Filoni specifically noted it's to do with Opress surprising him, and Kenobi not being ready. So that loss had a lot less to do with combat prowess.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
facepalm

@ people still making this argument.

facepalm @ you, period.

Don't think I did not notice how you were going out of your way to be somewhat civil with me, in hopes that I wouldn't join in when Tempest was going in on you. Now you go back to criticizing my argument, despite the FACT that you have no room to talk, considering how the majority of your arguments all fail. Why do you try to be so insulting and then turn around and play the victim when someone verbally attacks you? You go from being a smartass to a crybaby: 'You're a fanboy. facepalm at your argument' to 'I did nothing wrong, he is being a jerk to me, stop following in his footsteps..poor me'

Before you try to criticize anyone's arguments, at least make sure you can do better (you can't, which is why I haven't been wasting time with you)

Originally posted by ares834
Really looking forward to Sidious dueling the brothers. Once we see him fail to blitz them, the idea that Fisto is Kenobi level should die. Although, truthfully watching Kenobi more than hold his own against the brothers should have killed it as well.

Well we'll see. But as you should know, not doing something doesn't mean you can't. (see: Palpatine's torture of Luke)

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
facepalm @ you, period.

Someone's butt hurt at their Fisto = Kenobi argument completely failing after the last CW episode.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Don't think I did not notice how you were going out of your way to be somewhat civil with me, in hopes that I wouldn't join in when Tempest was going in on you.

No, I actually usually do try to be civil to people. Ask Ares, Arhael, JT or Nephyths when was the last time I was "Uncivil" to them even when they were arguing against me? And then ask yourself why yours and my conversations go so differently.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Now you go back to criticizing my argument, despite the FACT that you have no room to talk, considering how the majority of your arguments all fail.

And yet I've broken down all your and Tempest's Kenobi = Fisto arguments multiple times in this thread, whilst you just desperately cling to "But Fisto was beating Grievous!!!"

LOL

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Why do you try to be so insulting and then turn around and play the victim when someone verbally attacks you? You go from being a smartass to a crybaby: 'You're a fanboy. facepalm at your argument' to 'I did nothing wrong, he is being a jerk to me, stop following in his footsteps..poor me'

What?? So a Facepalm is a big insult now??

Yeah more like I just think your completely butt hurt at how utterly embarrassing your whole Fisto vs Kenobi argument looks now.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Before you try to criticize anyone's arguments, at least make sure you can do better (you can't, which is why I haven't been wasting time with you)

Oh but I have done better. Much better than you anyway.

I've not asked you to waste time with me. I just gave a facepalm to the fact that your still after the Episode "Revival" carrying on this Kenobi = Fisto bull crap.

I think everyone know whose butt hurt and clinging to straws now.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
facepalm @ you, period.

Don't think I did not notice how you were going out of your way to be somewhat civil with me, in hopes that I wouldn't join in when Tempest was going in on you. Now you go back to criticizing my argument, despite the FACT that you have no room to talk, considering how the majority of your arguments all fail. Why do you try to be so insulting and then turn around and play the victim when someone verbally attacks you? You go from being a smartass to a crybaby: 'You're a fanboy. facepalm at your argument' to 'I did nothing wrong, he is being a jerk to me, stop following in his footsteps..poor me'

Before you try to criticize anyone's arguments, at least make sure you can do better (you can't, which is why I haven't been wasting time with you)

Hold up bub what are you talking about? Who's be ing a smart ass ?I just replied my opinion.
I wasn't tring to insult anyone I never PLAY victim to anything don't Know the meaning
I listen before I talk if you read fanboy what I said you wouldn't have taken it the wrong way.
Crybaby?the only one who is being a crybababy is you BC I disagreed with part of your comment

As for room to talk I find this forum very entertaining.

I can do better I got you attention.
you could have gotten in the post again I was just posting my opinion.Tempest going in me about
what? I didn't see any conflict?

who's criticising ?I'm here to post and reply to anything that fits my interests
You're wasting my time having a temper tantrum like a spoiled out of controlled kid
BC I disagreed with READ THIS PART OF YOU REPLY.
verbally that wasn't an attack

Well we'll see. But as you should know, not doing something doesn't mean you can't. (see: Palpatine's torture of Luke)

Everyone please read my first post to Sidious 66 did I disrespected him in anyway?

Who was he talking to? It came back to my email that he was talking to me, IF he wasn't talking about me then I appologize Sidious 66

But if he was then I would like to know where in my post did I offend Sidious 66 ?

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Who was he talking to? It came back to my email that he was talking to me, IF he wasn't talking about me then I appologize Sidious 66

But if he was then I would like to know where in my post did I offend Sidious 66 ?

Chill out. He was talking to me. The guy went all nuts over a facepalm.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Everyone please read my first post to Sidious 66 did I disrespected him in anyway?

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Who was he talking to? It came back to my email that he was talking to me, IF he wasn't talking about me then I appologize Sidious 66

But if he was then I would like to know where in my post did I offend Sidious 66 ?

Not you.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No, I actually usually do try to be civil to people. Ask Ares, Arhael, JT or Nephyths when was the last time I was "Uncivil" to them even when they were arguing against me? And then ask yourself why yours and my conversations go so differently.

Wrong. You accused everyone who was arguing for Sidious in the Ventress @ Opress vs. Kit @ Kenobi thread of being fanboys. Hell, you even admitted that your remark wasn't directed solely at me. Also, in that very same thread, you made a remark about a poster who wasn't even taking part in the thread (the time you were going out of your way to get on Nai's good side, trying to impress him). Just because you later kiss ass, in hopes that everyone won't gang up on you, doesn't mean that you were always civil with them. Just like you tried being civil with me, kissing my ass, when Tempest was going in on you.

Like I said, you're an insulting person when your arguments are being butchered, but then you change to being a crying kiss ass, pretending to be a victim, when you're being attacked. If you're going to be a cocky smartass, then by all means, be that way. But don't pretend to be a victim when you're being attacked. Don't be a hypocrite and call someone out for "being a jerk" to you or accuse others of being childish. That's what's annoying to me.

You know, I don't even have to know you personally to tell that you are a hypocritical person, a poser, and an insecure crybaby.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And yet I've broken down all your and Tempest's Kenobi = Fisto arguments multiple times in this thread

No, you didn't. All you did was keep repeating things like "Fisto is no match for Maul, Savage, or Ventress!! Kenobi held his own against them, Fisto can't!!" I guess we are suppose to forget how badly Kenobi has had his ass kicked by those same opponents, or how he consistently struggles against Grievous.

Originally posted by ares834
Are you claiming your not convinced that Kenobi could replicate defeating Savage while simultaneously dueling Maul or that he would be unable to defeat Savage in a one-on-one duel? If the former I somewhat agree, if the latter I strongly disagree.

I'm undecided as to whether or not he could take Savage one-on-one. There's no reason at all to think he could take Maul and Savage on simultaneously in most situations.

Originally posted by ares834
Really looking forward to Sidious dueling the brothers. Once we see him fail to blitz them, the idea that Fisto is Kenobi level should die. Although, truthfully watching Kenobi more than hold his own against the brothers should have killed it as well.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm undecided as to whether or not he could take Savage one-on-one. There's no reason at all to think he could take Maul and Savage on simultaneously in most situations.