Kit Fisto on level with Kenobi? What are you smoking, Tempest?
While Anakin couldn't defeat Kenobi, he playfully handled Cin Dralig and his apprentices with one hand behind. Considering Fisto's performance against Sidious I would put him on level with Dralig but no way with Kenobi.
You are perhaps the greatest embarrassment to the human race on record. They should put you on tour, parading you in front of special ed. classes across the nation, as a way of reassuring the handicapped hordes that, hey, it could always be worse: you could always be DARTH POWER.Expecting you to read something with the goal of comprehending it may be too much, but perhaps you could summon what little mental capacity you have to spark some neurons into action through the cobwebbed, echoing cavern between your ears.
Originally posted by Arhael
Kit Fisto on level with Kenobi? What are you smoking, Tempest?While Anakin couldn't defeat Kenobi, he playfully handled Cin Dralig and his apprentices with one hand behind. Considering Fisto's performance against Sidious I would put him on level with Dralig but no way with Kenobi.
I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense now. Thanks for sharing.
Originally posted by Arhael
That shit must be strong. Such a strong imagination you've got. Such an embarrassing example of someone attempting to embarrass someone.
+1 for sarcasm. 👆
Are you talking about your post or mine? 😂
Originally posted by Arhael
Kit Fisto on level with Kenobi? What are you smoking, Tempest?While Anakin couldn't defeat Kenobi, he playfully handled Cin Dralig and his apprentices with one hand behind. Considering Fisto's performance against Sidious I would put him on level with Dralig but no way with Kenobi.
Oh damn lol
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I have it on good authority that multiple sourcebooks say he is.
Nope, Kit Fisto practically admits inferiority to Kenobi in the ROTS novel.
"Boy I wish Yoda or Kenobi were here."
Does not imply equality at all, and given how Ventress demolishes him in Cetus Deception. He is certainly not superior to CW or ROTS Kenobi.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nope, Kit Fisto practically admits inferiority to Kenobi in the ROTS novel."Boy I wish Yoda or Kenobi were here."
That's not admitting inferiority, that's just admitting that he would feel better if he had him there to fight alongside with. Kit had no idea what they were going up against. JT actually provided a passage in Cestus Deception where Kenobi outright admits that that Fisto was a better swordsman, and that Fisto had to hold back in their sparring match just so Kenobi could keep up.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Does not imply equality at all, and given how Ventress demolishes him in Cetus Deception. He is certainly not superior to CW or ROTS Kenobi.
She demolishes Kenobi just as easy in that book, and then went on to demolish him even easier in TCW. Yeah, Kenobi has at times barely bested Ventress, whereas Fisto didn't, but he has also fared far worse against her than Fisto did. So I wouldn't try to use that as proof that Kenobi is Fisto's superior if I were you. I mean I can always use their performance's against General Grievous as a better pro-Fisto argument. Kenobi has struggled against Grievous at least 3 times in TCW, which is too consistent to be ignored or dismissed as a low showing for him. Fisto was comfortably tooling Grievous in their very first 1-on-1 fight.
There is just nothing to suggest that Kenobi is way out of Fisto's league. And there is just absolutely nothing to suggest that Kenobi can provide a challenge against Sidious in sabers (which is how this debate originally started). The speed difference is just too great. Tiin and Kolar can each block blasters with their saber, which would require less than a second to react to, whereas they couldn't even react to Sidious's saber attack. Kenobi would quickly get slaughtered the moment he is in lightsaber range.
Kenobi's style of fighting is a better style than Fisto's when going up against an overwhelming opponent (Anakin). That does not mean Kenobi is far superior to Fisto and can walk all over him if they were to ever fight. A Fisto vs. Obi Wan would be a very good match, with Kenobi probably coming out on top by drawing the fight out.
Nah, Fisto manhandled Grievous... unlike Obi-Wan, who struggles with him each and every single time they fight bar ROTS, which suggests parity. Filoni made it pretty clear that Obi-Wan's high performance against the Zabraks owed to specific circumstance, which is why he's unable to trounce either of them in single combat elsewhere.
Using that as proof that Obi-Wan is out of Kit's league is simply lazy thinking.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nope, Kit Fisto practically admits inferiority to Kenobi in the ROTS novel."Boy I wish Yoda or Kenobi were here."
Does not imply equality at all, and given how Ventress demolishes him in Cetus Deception. He is certainly not superior to CW or ROTS Kenobi.
yup
And Mace practically admits inferiority to Obi-Wan in that same novel when they discuss Grievous.
If you're ready to set aside lazy thinking ("multiple sourcebooks are rumored to say 'X'" and "Y is implied in this book!"😉, there's one or two other, more rational explanations here.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
yupAnd Mace practically admits inferiority to Obi-Wan in that same novel when they discuss Grievous.
If you're ready to set aside lazy thinking ("multiple sourcebooks are rumored to say 'X'" and "Y is implied in this book!"😉, there's one or two other, more rational explanations here.
Where? If it does say this then probably Mace meant he humbles himself to Obi Wan Kenobi just like he says the same about Yoda . Kenobi doesn't have an inner darkness to constantly keep in check.
but if it ever gets personal between Mace and Obi Wan then all bets are off!!!
just saying no disrespect it's only my opinion.
Originally posted by ares834
Really looking forward to Sidious dueling the brothers. Once we see him fail to blitz them, the Fisto is Kenobi level should die.
Only if you're willing to contort all reason to arrive at your desired conclusion. Filoni explicitly credits Obi-Wan's high performance to circumstance, which is why even earlier in the episode, he was unable to defeat Maul alone.
Originally posted by juyomaster34
Where? If it does say this then probably Mace meant he humbles himself to Obi Wan Kenobi just like he says the same about Yoda . Kenobi doesn't have an inner darkness to constantly keep in check.
but if it ever gets personal between Mace and Obi Wan then all bets are off!!!just saying no disrespect it's only my opinion.
Yeah, that's kind of my point: an obvious pep-talk is obvious.
Given what we know now of their parity in TCW, Kit's comment more likely refers to Yoda's mastery and Obi-Wan's relative expertise in all matters Sith. Prior to his confrontation with the Chancellor, Kit is not known to have crossed blades with a true Sith.