You know very well (because you've argued it before) that Dooku's Force TK really couldn't do squat to Anakin in "Crisis on Naboo.."The only possible explanation is Anakin's Force Reserves allow him to tank TK hits far better than Obi-Wan can.
Anakin gets more powerful season by season and he holds back with Kenobi there, so I wouldn't count too much on what an enraged Ventress did to them both with Force TK when they could have easily killed or stabbed her but gave her a chance to surrender.
Heck she was disarmed in the first place because Obi-Wan force pushed her.
See above. They were fighting before they met Dooku. Plus Kenobi probably could have still revitalized himself a few times. But point is he got tired before Anakin did.There's no contradiction with the film. That scene from the script is exactly the same as what happens in the film. And the prolonged fight between them is also in the script.
So you consider that Kenobi got tired fighting droids, right? This actually can't be used as evidence that Kenobi would get tired first fighting Anakin. Deflecting blaster bolts Anakin doesn't use rage and doesn't need to use excessive strength, so he conserves energy in this case just like Kenobi. In other words it is normal that Kenobi gets tired first, when they fight droids.
It was the same the other way around. Kenobi couldn't get past Anakin's defenses either in a straight up sword fight.
Kenobi is much less likely to outskill Anakin because his style lacks offensive power.
Originally posted by Arhael
You acknowledge that Anakin holds back, yet, you don't even assume that Kenobi could hold back as well.
Well when Anakin holds back, he holds back on his rage. What does Obi-Wan hold back on?
I personally only see Obi-Wan holding back out of the goodness of his heart. So I can definitely see him holding back somewhat on say Ventress. But not on Dooku.
Originally posted by Arhael
There was no opportunity for Kenobi to get tired during combat.
Well that's what the script says. Written by Lucas the man himself.
Originally posted by Arhael
So you consider that Kenobi got tired fighting droids, right? This actually can't be used as evidence that Kenobi would get tired first fighting Anakin. Deflecting blaster bolts Anakin doesn't use rage and doesn't need to use excessive strength, so he conserves energy in this case just like Kenobi. In other words it is normal that Kenobi gets tired first, when they fight droids.
Urmmm Maybe. Anakin uses Shien which is very similar to Djem So, but just applied to blaster bolts instead. So that's pretty speculative.
The facts are that Anakin and Kenobi were fighting for the same length of time against the same opponents and yet Kenobi got tired first.
But your actually persuading me a bit. The whole purpose of Soresu is too tire out the opponent. But Anakin has the Force Reserves. So that may be a toss up who gets tired first. But I personally still think it will be Kenobi 😛
Originally posted by Arhael
I think you completely missed this in my quote:
Wasn't arguing. Was just pointing out that Anakin also has good defenses which are hard to get through.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is the problem though... WHEN in the highest form of canon did Dooku TRY any offensive force powers on Anakin? It didn't exist.. he ONLY tried them on Kenobi. So.. that isi what I mean by conjecture that he could handle them better as in the highest form of canon he doesn't even try any force powers on Anakin.
What's all this "Highest form of canon" nonesense?? If you want to ignore other forms of canon (in this case the next highest form) then don't argue here and go to the "movie versus" forum instead. And btw technically the CW Movie would also be included in "movies only."
Theres no speculation here. Anakin has tanked all of Dooku's force attacks in the Clone Wars. Either concede the point or go to a "ROTS Only" forum.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now in the CW series... which scenes are you referring to which Anakin deal with Dooku's force powers and has no trouble dealing with them?
I didn't say he has "no trouble" dealing with them. But Dooku can not stop him with the aid of his Force TK as proven in "Crisis on Naboo."
Anakin tanks all the attacks and continues his attacks on Dooku (most probably getting stronger as he gets madder like in the ROTS Script).
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Here we go again.. The jump doesn't matter.. He could've closed the distance on foot before strking. Yet, we don't go.. well he ran to Kenobi to strike him.. thus that wasn't swordplay... NO... It's still swordplay. The jump doesn't matter. He JUMPED TO CLOSE THE DISTANCE TO STRIKE KENOBI DOWN WITH HIS SWORD. You might have a point.. and even then it would be on shaky ground... IF Anakin didn't even swing his saber and just got cut in half jumping. Yet, that isn't the case. He tried to strike kenobi down.. swung his saber.. WAS BLOCKED and COUNTERED. That is the definition of swordplay. Still waiting for a concession that Aankin lost in swordplay....
Shwo me a sword fight where one person jumps at the other, and then you'll have a point.
The loss had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH Sword fighting skills.
Obi-Wan tactically outsmarted him. 9/10 times this would not happen considering what a tactical genius Skywalker normally is.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You just documented how it's possible to be a style vs. style thing...If Kenobi is in fact inferior to Anakin in defense against force powers.. Than Dooku would have a much easier time all out against Kenobi than Anakin. On the contrary... Anakin's force powers aren't as good as dooku's and are about on par with Kenobi's at that point in their careers. So Anakin can't gain the same advantage on Kenobi that Dooku could.. he instead must cut him down with his saber.. Yet, being that kenobi is so adept at swordplay.. this is no easy task and why style's and abilities makes fights. Okay that one was answered... next
So you agree the clash of styles is that Anakin can tank Count Dooku's force attacks and yet Obi-Wan can not. Also Anakin has the strength to surpass Dooku's defenses whilst Obi-Wan may not have that kind of offensive power. But that isn't applicable when Obi-Wan fights Anakin..
This I can begin to agree with. But then the clash of styles is between Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan's defensive style somewhat negates Anakin's superior strength and force reserves.
And still best case scenario for Obi-Wan is that him and Sith Anakin were equals when fighting each other.
But still one of those "equals" has the power to defeat Count Dooku. The other does not. So whose really the more powerful and dangerous opponent of the 2??
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You keep acting like Anakin beat Dooku in the CW series.. HE DIDN'T. At NO point did he beat Dooku in the CW series.. So... I have no clue what your point is here.
You know exactly what the point is. Dooku has also failed to defeat Anakin apart from when he had several magnaguards aiding him.
Whilst he never fails to defeat Kenobi. And does so with ease. So the point should be quite clear.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What's all this "Highest form of canon" nonesense?? If you want to ignore other forms of canon (in this case the next highest form) then don't argue here and go to the "movie versus" forum instead. And btw technically the CW Movie would also be included in "movies only."Theres no speculation here. Anakin has tanked all of Dooku's force attacks in the Clone Wars. Either concede the point or go to a "ROTS Only" forum.
I didn't say he has "no trouble" dealing with them. But Dooku can not stop him with the aid of his Force TK as proven in "Crisis on Naboo."
Anakin tanks all the attacks and continues his attacks on Dooku (most probably getting stronger as he gets madder like in the ROTS Script).
Shwo me a sword fight where one person jumps at the other, and then you'll have a point.
The loss had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH Sword fighting skills.
Obi-Wan tactically outsmarted him. 9/10 times this would not happen considering what a tactical genius Skywalker normally is.
So you agree the clash of styles is that Anakin can tank Count Dooku's force attacks and yet Obi-Wan can not. Also Anakin has the strength to surpass Dooku's defenses whilst Obi-Wan may not have that kind of offensive power. But that isn't applicable when Obi-Wan fights Anakin..
This I can begin to agree with. But then the clash of styles is between Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan's defensive style somewhat negates Anakin's superior strength and force reserves.
And still best case scenario for Obi-Wan is that him and Sith Anakin were equals when fighting each other.
But still one of those "equals" has the power to defeat Count Dooku. The other does not. So whose really the more powerful and dangerous opponent of the 2??
You know exactly what the point is. Dooku has also failed to defeat Anakin apart from when he had several magnaguards aiding him.
Whilst he never fails to defeat Kenobi. And does so with ease. So the point should be quite clear.
Define what you mean by "tanked" ALL his force attacks. Do you mean was totally uneffected by them and proceeded as if they didn't exist.. OR do you mean.. he was moved or thrown back by them.. but wasn't eliminated from the fight like Kenobi was? BTW... you know what highest form of canon means.. That means it trumps all other forums of media... Books... Tv Series.. etc etc.. You know its significance and meaning buddy.
Did you really say show me a sword fight where one person jumps at another? Really? Jumping in duels between Jedi's and Sith is quite a common occurance. You of all people should know this. For God's sake Ataru utilizes a lot of jumping and striking at the same time. Yoda has done this on many occasions... but while do so.. we don't go.. he jumped.. that isn't sword fighting. NO he's jumping and strking and jumping and dodging sword strikes. Just because there is jumps during a saber fight DOESN'T not make it sword play... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. Shit even Kenobi killed Maul practically doing that VERY SAME THING. Jumping over maul as Anakin tried while striking him down. Only thing is... Kenobi was a padawan and in a much worse position. Yet he stilll got the job done. Next thing you're going to tell me was that isn't sword play either since it was a jump amirite??? I'll still wait for your concession on this point.
He has ONLY proven to be able to beat a dooku who wasn't tyring to kill him when he was fresh... and got tired fighting Kenobi and an Anakin at the same time. That was the only dooku he was able to beat. That said, yes Anakin has more of a chance to beat Dooku in an all out fight than Kenobi does.. In swords.. I believe they both have the ability to defeat Dooku.
I think this will be pretty even until the end. My reasoning is that as Vader Anakins offensive abilities all spiked (and he still couldnt break Kenobis defense), but at the expense of his defense and tactics. At his best Anakin isnt the most clear headed and tactical fighter so he will still suffer these weaknesses, though to a lesser degree, but he wont have the offensive bump.
I would break it down like this:
Saber skills: even, Anakin with an offensive edge, Obi Wan with a defensive advantage
Force Ability: equal output though Anakin has greater reserves (even with his anger in ROTS he couldnt push Kenobi down in a direct contest)
Strength: Anakin, hes bigger and has a more aggressive style
Stamina: Anakin, but Obi Wans simplistic style will negate much of this
Tactics: Obi Wan
Anakin will still have an advantage and still be able to drive Obi Wan back, but not as effectively. He wont exhaust Kenobi, but he wont make the stupid mistakes either.
The argument that Dooku beat Obi Wan quickly but lost to Anakin doesnt work for me. Dooku broke both of their defenses but he wanted Anakin conscious so he got a boot to the face while Kenobi took the force attack. I believe it could have happened the other way around just as easily.
The longer this goes the more annoyed Anakin is going to get. Obi wan specializes in drawn out fights where he lets his opponent do most of the attacking and this is going to get on Anakins nerves after a while and its in Anakins nature to make stupid decisions when hes angry. I might not be as stupid as the one in ROTS, but eventually he will make it and Obi Wan will capitalize.
Obviously this wont happen every single time given how even they are, but more often than not I can see temprament being the deciding factor. Had they progressed a few more years Anakins natural ability would have started to push him beyond Obi Wan, but at this stage they were mostly equals.
Originally posted by DARTH POWEROh so its "CLEARLY OUT OF CHARACTER" for Anakin to go kill a camp of tusken raiders to avenge his mother's death.
Yes because it was so in character for Anakin to force choke his wife and talk about overthrowing the Emporer 👆HE WAS CLEARLY BEHAVING OUT OF CHARACTER.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYou obviously don't think outside the box. Kenobi was against Skywalker's plan because it risked many lives. Plus its not like Kenobi just sits there having a cup of tea, he's in charge of a whole fleet, and probably has plans for his mission on Christophsis. There's a reason why he's a high jedi general.
Your right there is no contest. Aankin is much smarter than Obi-Wan.There's proof ALL OVER THE CLONE WARS, which I'm getting completely fed up of repeating to you.
[QUOTE=14138705]Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]Skywalker outsmarted Admiral Trench NOT KENOBI! Kenobi was a douche just sitting there saying don't do anything!
Originally posted by DARTH POWERJust because he knew about carbonite freezing doesn't make him smarter. If Yoda was in Kenobi's position and didn't know about carbonite freezing, would that automatically make Anakin smarter than Yoda?
It was Skywalker's idea to use carbonite freezing to sneak past the enemy's sensors. Obi-Wan was on the mission and had no clue how to do that!
Originally posted by DARTH POWEROk..
Anakin's the one who figured how to stop the Zillo Beast.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERDid you not hear what Obi Wan was saying?! He was trying to say that Anakin's idea risked the purpose of the jedi culture. In other words thinking about the bigger picture. And that's something that Anakin as a jedi knight failed to comprehend.
Anakin's idea to help Onderon by aiding them in starting a rebellion. What was Kenobi's idea to help them? Oh that's right he didn't have one. It was also Anakin's idea to use Hondo (although that might have been both of them brainstorming).
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI don't know why I need to prove this to you.
Point is The CW is FULL OF EXAMPLES of what a genius Skywalker is. Definitely more so than Kenobi.So stop being ignorant. and open your eyes and deal with the truth.
Obi-Wan is very smart but Skywalker is a genius beyond Kenobi's caliber.
Obi Wan is known to negotiate his way out of things which saved countless lives, rather than going headfirst into battle like Anakin would do - eg CW movie on Christophsis. Hence the dubbed alias "The Negotiator".
AOTC battle between Dooku and Obi Wan and Anakin - Obi Wan is patient unlike Anakin who goes to attack Dooku immediately which results in him being fried.
I could go on but I don't have all the time in the world.
And what makes you think your right? You need to open YOUR eyes.
To say Skywalker is a genius beyond Kenobi's caliber is just nonsense.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERSo..
Hey? When did I concede that? Kenobi is not superior in swordplay. They're dead even in Saber "Skills" as the novel makes clear.
If they're dead even in saber skills..
And they stalemated with the force on Mustafar...
And Kenobi won in combat...
How do you come to the conclusion that Anakin is superior!?
You just helped prove that Obi Wan is the Victor. #thread
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThat makes him stronger not superior.
Anakin's cyborg arm and enormous force reserves however make him stronger and give him a better stamina. However Obi-Wan's defensive style does help in negating those advantages of Skywalker's.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERVentress and Dooku don't know how dangerous Anakin is for Obi Wan, only for themselves.
But all those advantages do make Skywalker the more powerful Jedi than Kenobi and the and more dangerous foe for other opponents. Just ask Asajj Ventress or Count Dooku.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Define what you mean by "tanked" ALL his force attacks. Do you mean was totally uneffected by them and proceeded as if they didn't exist.. OR do you mean.. he was moved or thrown back by them.. but wasn't eliminated from the fight like Kenobi was?
Yep. The second one.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
BTW... you know what highest form of canon means.. That means it trumps all other forums of media... Books... Tv Series.. etc etc.. You know its significance and meaning buddy.
The "highest form of canon" doesn't show what would happen if Count Dooku hit Anakin with the Force. So we refer to the Second highest level of Canon" for that. I don't see the issue.
The "highest level of canon" just shows Anakin is superior to Dooku in an all out.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you really say show me a sword fight where one person jumps at another? Really? Jumping in duels between Jedi's and Sith is quite a common occurance. You of all people should know this. For God's sake Ataru utilizes a lot of jumping and striking at the same time. Yoda has done this on many occasions... but while do so.. we don't go.. he jumped.. that isn't sword fighting. NO he's jumping and strking and jumping and dodging sword strikes.
True. But that's how he choses to fight in a straight up saber duel. And the funny thing is, the ONE TIME he had to make an exceptionally huge leap to reach his opponent due to the environment and due to a circumstance specific desperation to kill his opponent, he was easily disarmed by that opponent (Palpatine zapped his Saber out of his hand).
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just because there is jumps during a saber fight DOESN'T not make it sword play... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. Shit even Kenobi killed Maul practically doing that VERY SAME THING.
Please don't tell me you think TPM Obi-Wan was superior to Maul in a lightsaber fight. He wasn't even Qui-Gon's equal at the time.
Which just proves my point. Making a one off stupid tactical decision (in this case Maul) does not equate being inferior under more normal/usual circumstances.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Jumping over maul as Anakin tried while striking him down. Only thing is... Kenobi was a padawan and in a much worse position. Yet he stilll got the job done. Next thing you're going to tell me was that isn't sword play either since it was a jump amirite??? I'll still wait for your concession on this point.
Your kidding right?? Obi-Wan beating Maul was absolutely nothing to do with sowrd play. If he was superior in sword play he would have beat Maul in the straight up fight the way Maul beat Qui-Gon.
And your right he was in a much worse position than Anakin. Which means there's absolutely NO WAY he could have made that jump had Maul been ready. The only reason he won that was because Maul wasn't ready, because he disarmed Obi-Wan assuming he's no longer a threat and was taken by surprise not realizing Obi-Wan still had a weapon.
The Obi-Wan/Maul reference really isn't helping your argument.
Look end of the day, when they want to show one combatant being superior to another in a straight up sword fight, then they have them beating him in a straight up sword fight. It's happened multiple times in the prequels:
Maul beating Qui-Gon.
Dooku beating Obi-Wan and Anakin (AOTC)
Anakin beating Dooku (ROTS)
Sidious beating Kolar, Tiin and Fisto.
Mace beating Sidious.
We only get a win due to some crazy ass jump when Lucas is basically saying "There's no other way the hero is going to win here, but the plot demands he does."
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He has ONLY proven to be able to beat a dooku who wasn't tyring to kill him when he was fresh... and got tired fighting Kenobi and an Anakin at the same time. That was the only dooku he was able to beat. That said, yes Anakin has more of a chance to beat Dooku in an all out fight than Kenobi does.. In swords.. I believe they both have the ability to defeat Dooku.
Obi-Wan was hardly in that fight. If Dooku was really that tired it was due to Anakin's strength. It was Obi-Wan and Anakin who had fought a whole load of droids before that fight. Dooku came to that fight fresh and Obi-Wan was hardly attacking him for a few seconds.
Oh and btw Anakin wasn't trying to kill Dooku either. He only went for the "kill" right at the end when Sidious enticed him to do so.
Originally posted by mnat801
Oh so its "CLEARLY OUT OF CHARACTER" for Anakin to go kill a camp of tusken raiders to avenge his mother's death.
Well yeah. Someone's mother being murdered tends to put a man in a state they wouldn't normally be in.
Originally posted by mnat801
You obviously don't think outside the box. Kenobi was against Skywalker's plan because it risked many lives. Plus its not like Kenobi just sits there having a cup of tea, he's in charge of a whole fleet, and probably has plans for his mission on Christophsis. There's a reason why he's a high jedi general.
Actually it's you who can't think out of the box. Kenobi's plan would have helped the survivors for another day. By not taking advantage of such an opportunity in hand (cloaked ship in the hands of the Order's best pilot) it was really Kenobi who was putting all those lives at risk.
Originally posted by mnat801
Just because he knew about carbonite freezing doesn't make him smarter. If Yoda was in Kenobi's position and didn't know about carbonite freezing, would that automatically make Anakin smarter than Yoda?
Yoda's the wisest Jedi. There's no reason to believe he got a higher IQ than Skywalker or Kenobi for that matter.
In fact in the ROTS Novel Kenobi is considered the Council's most cunning master. That means smarter than Mace or Yoda.
Skywalker's just a genius on a different level. I doubt any one on the council were making protocal dorids and pod racers at the age of 9.
Originally posted by mnat801
AOTC battle between Dooku and Obi Wan and Anakin - Obi Wan is patient unlike Anakin who goes to attack Dooku immediately which results in him being fried.
Skywalker was a frustrated Padawan at the time. And there was the possibility that Padme had just been killed by Dooku's forces.
But as a Knight under more normal circumstances what does Anakin respond to Obi-Wan's remark in ROTS: "Together this time.."
Oh that's right.. He very calmy says "I was just about to say so.."
Originally posted by mnat801
I could go on but I don't have all the time in the world.
No you can't give me even one example of Kenobi clearly being smarter than JEDI KNIGHT Anakin. Because there are none.
Note I said JEDI KNIGHT Anakin. Not Padawan Anakin or Sith Anakin, but Jedi Knight Anakin!
Originally posted by mnat801
To say Skywalker is a genius beyond Kenobi's caliber is just nonsense.
You clearly don't know much about Skywalker then.
I'm not even denying Obi-Wan's smart. He is supposedly the smartest Master on the Council. But if you weren't so biased and knew more about Anakin you would know he even smarter than Kenobi.
Originally posted by mnat801
So..If they're dead even in saber skills..
And they stalemated with the force on Mustafar...
And Kenobi won in combat...
How do you come to the conclusion that Anakin is superior!?
You just helped prove that Obi Wan is the Victor. #thread
How did you get Obi-Wan is superior from what I said 😕
Originally posted by mnat801
That makes him stronger not superior.
Does being stronger make someone Inferior?? It can only be an advantage.
Originally posted by mnat801
Ventress and Dooku don't know how dangerous Anakin is for Obi Wan, only for themselves.
Who can Obi-Wan beat that Anakin can't??
There's 2 opponents right there that Anakin consistently performs better against than Obi-Wan. When does it happen the other way around.
If Obi-Wan's a bigger threat to Anakin than Ventress or Dooku then that proves the clash of styles is between Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Even if I agree that Anakin and Obi-Wan are equals when fighting each other, the fact is one of those equals can beat powerhouses like Count Dooku. The other one can't. So which of the 2 is superior??
It's the guy who consistently beats everyone who is superior. Just like in sports. Just because Bangladesh has been known to beat Pakistan and England has been known to beat Australia (cricket) does not make Bangladesh and England better than Pakistan and Australia.
It's the teams who consistently match or defeat the most number of teams who are the superior teams.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yep. The second one.The "highest form of canon" doesn't show what would happen if Count Dooku hit Anakin with the Force. So we refer to the Second highest level of Canon" for that. I don't see the issue.
The "highest level of canon" just shows Anakin is superior to Dooku in an all out.
True. But that's how he choses to fight in a straight up saber duel. And the funny thing is, the ONE TIME he had to make an exceptionally huge leap to reach his opponent due to the environment and due to a circumstance specific desperation to kill his opponent, he was easily disarmed by that opponent (Palpatine zapped his Saber out of his hand).
Please don't tell me you think TPM Obi-Wan was superior to Maul in a lightsaber fight. He wasn't even Qui-Gon's equal at the time.
Which just proves my point. Making a one off stupid tactical decision (in this case Maul) does not equate being inferior under more normal/usual circumstances.
Your kidding right?? Obi-Wan beating Maul was absolutely nothing to do with sowrd play. If he was superior in sword play he would have beat Maul in the straight up fight the way Maul beat Qui-Gon.
And your right he was in a much worse position than Anakin. Which means there's absolutely NO WAY he could have made that jump had Maul been ready. The only reason he won that was because Maul wasn't ready, because he disarmed Obi-Wan assuming he's no longer a threat and was taken by surprise not realizing Obi-Wan still had a weapon.
The Obi-Wan/Maul reference really isn't helping your argument.
Look end of the day, when they want to show one combatant being superior to another in a straight up sword fight, then they have them beating him in a straight up sword fight. It's happened multiple times in the prequels:
Maul beating Qui-Gon.
Dooku beating Obi-Wan and Anakin (AOTC)
Anakin beating Dooku (ROTS)
Sidious beating Kolar, Tiin and Fisto.
Mace beating Sidious.We only get a win due to some crazy ass jump when Lucas is basically saying "There's no other way the hero is going to win here, but the plot demands he does."
Obi-Wan was hardly in that fight. If Dooku was really that tired it was due to Anakin's strength. It was Obi-Wan and Anakin who had fought a whole load of droids before that fight. Dooku came to that fight fresh and Obi-Wan was hardly attacking him for a few seconds.
Oh and btw Anakin wasn't trying to kill Dooku either. He only went for the "kill" right at the end when Sidious enticed him to do so.
Why am I suppose to be overly impressed by Anakin not getting KO'd but managing to fight on against dooku yet STILL NOT WIN? Why... just becaues he wasn't KO'd like the one time Kenobi was? I'm sorry I'm just not as impressed by this as you. Kenobi has also shown not to be taken out by the force in the CW series as well... how does that factor in?
It wasn't just Yoda fighting that way.. it's a common theme throughout Jedi fights.... Maul was shown jumping around in his fights with Obi and Qui-Gon.. Shit Qui-Gon is even shown doing to jumping in his first meeting with maul... Shit the first move the Emperor makes to slay the 3 masters WAS A JUMP!! This is a common occurance in many jedi fights throughout the mythos.. let's not pretend that a jump means it's not swordplay. Jumping and striking is a common occurance and IS SWORDPLAY. Anakin jumped.. closed the distance... struck Kenobi... Kenobi blocked the strike and countered with his own. PERIOD. I'm still waiting for a concession on this point. You act like a jump during a sword fight means it negates it being a sword fight... That is some desperate reaching on your part. Still waiting on that....
Err you forgot to mention that Kenobi was doing JUST FINE against Maul in swordplay... He actually partially DISARMED maul in swordplay. Maul wasn't getting the better of Kenobi in swords and only got the advantage he did VIA THE FORCE. Seems like a common theme eh? So where are you getting this notion that Maul was so superior to kenobi in swordplay? It wasn't shown at all in fact. He was superior in the force.. that is all that was shown.
Again... because Kenobi keeps his cool and is level headed throughout fights you act like this isn't an advantage that could get his victories.. that is EXACTLY what it was shown to do in the highest form of canon. He keep his cool head against Maul and Anakin and both times he overcame them.. Yet that is a big advantage... I would say even bigger then I'm better at tanking force attacks (anakin) that you keep going on and on about.
Again... Kenobi has been shown to be ventress superior in the CW series as well. Why do you keep forgetting this point? You act like Anakin is the only one who does good against Ventress and that just isn't true. The fact remains that Kenobi has MORE IMPRESSIVE victories than Anakin has. Kenobi has been Maul, The General, Anakin, Ventress, Savage/Opress etc... This is more than Anakin record reflects.