ROTS Kenobi vs. Zone Anakin

Well when you use the term more powerful.. and then just use specific variables that support your case.. while forgetting about others... forgive me for pointing out the pigeon hole you were attempting.

HUH? Why would the main factors be speed or the power of his strikes.. When the main factor is actually that Kenobi's style by nature gives ground... Sure, those other factors you point out.. were also relevant.. but not the main factor. Further, Anakin's striking power and the concussive power that goes along with that are existent in striking his opponent. This wouldn't be the case when there sabers are directly locked against one another. THEN it becomes about who is stronger. Yet, Anakin wasn't able to gain ANY advanage for all his supposed strength over Kenobi.. Odd wouldn't you say? Or could it be that Kenobi's not as weak as you believe in comparison to Anakin or Anakin isn't as strong as you believe. However, one is certainly the case because as strong as you make Anakin out to be.. he would've overpowered Kenobi in such a position EASILY. yet n stark contrast to easily, he didn't even move him.

You don't care enough is concession enough for me... There is no logical theory that would support.. I'm there to kill you.. i've been trying to kill you.. yet I don't want you to make a move that willl be advantageous to me killing you.

Ethically bad choice you say... Well aren't those usually dumb moves? If you're a genius and decide to hack into a B of A to steal money.. get caught.. What just cause you're a genius that wasn't a stupid move? NO it's exactly that a dumb move. Just like Anakin turning to the DS was THE dumbest move he could make. This was beat over our heads.. yet to hold up your argument you go.. nah that wasn't a dumb move just a life choice... LULZ

You crack me up.. Kicks are a part of SABER COMBAT... yet you're whole reason for saying Kenobi didn't beat Anakin in sabers is... wait for it.. wait for it... he jumped!!! Oooo I see now.. So a jump.. and ACTUAL SABER STRIKE.. an ACTUAL blocking of the strike with your saber.. an ACTUAL counter strike with your SABER.. isn't sword play.. but a kick is... Come on Darth.. you're better than this. Kenobi beating Anakin was more sword play than Maul using the force or kicking kenobi to gain an advantage. BTW.. there is also no getting around the fact that Kenobi out sworded Maul in direct saber on saber combat... He partially disarmed him WITH his SABER. Maul.. never gained any advantage over kenobi using his saber. Guess we'll go.. If Lucas wanted to show Maul was superior in sabers he would've.. instead he showed Kenobi was superior.

Actually he wasn't totally useless.. He was quite useful in fact. The novel makes clear that Dooku is struggling with them both and keeping them both off of him. They even threw him off with making him think they were using one style when in fact they were using another. Further, he was quite useful because he is part of the reason dooku got tired.. ya know... a factor on why Anakin won in the end.. something he's never been able to do with a fresh dooku.

So you do agree that The General has been portrayed more beastly previous to the series.. which was my point. He used to be somebody the jedi feared.. as he killed many jedi.. then the CW series comes out and he's watered down. That IS my point and one I'm glad to see you agree on.

Of course Kenobi beating Anakin would take awhile.. Anakin is powerful.. strong.. and has great stamina as well as being very good with his saber. Couple that with it being Kenobi's style to defend defend defend until he creates an opening or his opponent gives him one... Guess what... the fight went EXACTLY as Kenobi style dictates and according to plan. Just like it would most times they fight.. Kenobi would bait.. dare.. lure.. Anakin right where he wants him wth actions.. words.. or whatever he chooses. That is why Kenobi would usually win... not because of Terrain.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You crack me up.. Kicks are a part of SABER COMBAT... yet you're whole reason for saying Kenobi didn't beat Anakin in sabers is... wait for it.. wait for it... he jumped!!! Oooo I see now.. So a jump.. and ACTUAL SABER STRIKE.. an ACTUAL blocking of the strike with your saber.. an ACTUAL counter strike with your SABER.. isn't sword play.. but a kick is... Come on Darth.. you're better than this. Kenobi beating Anakin was more sword play than Maul using the force or kicking kenobi to gain an advantage. BTW.. there is also no getting around the fact that Kenobi out sworded Maul in direct saber on saber combat... He partially disarmed him WITH his SABER. Maul.. never gained any advantage over kenobi using his saber. Guess we'll go.. If Lucas wanted to show Maul was superior in sabers he would've.. instead he showed Kenobi was superior.

Come on. Anakin's jump was totally disconnected from the swordplay proceeding it in which Anakin was forcing Kenobi back. And the quick exchange of blows when Anakin jumped can't be considered conventional swordplay.

Also, there were two stages in Darth Maul's duel against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan where Maul kicked Obi Wan, and Qui-Gon was forced to fight Maul by himself. If it were just Kenobi vs Maul, Kenobi could easily have been disposed of in those instances.

Originally posted by KylarWhite
Come on. Anakin's jump was totally disconnected from the swordplay proceeding it in which Anakin was forcing Kenobi back. And the quick exchange of blows when Anakin jumped can't be considered conventional swordplay.

Also, there were two stages in Darth Maul's duel against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan where Maul kicked Obi Wan, and Qui-Gon was forced to fight Maul by himself. If it were just Kenobi vs Maul, Kenobi could easily have been disposed of in those instances.

Thank you for seeing the obvious.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thank you for seeing the obvious.

Had to say something; its so frustrating watching them concede nothing at all. I posted on the thread a while back, and I can't believe it's still going.

Originally posted by KylarWhite
Come on. Anakin's jump was totally disconnected from the swordplay proceeding it in which Anakin was forcing Kenobi back. And the quick exchange of blows when Anakin jumped can't be considered conventional swordplay.

Also, there were two stages in Darth Maul's duel against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan where Maul kicked Obi Wan, and Qui-Gon was forced to fight Maul by himself. If it were just Kenobi vs Maul, Kenobi could easily have been disposed of in those instances.

Define conventional then as it certainly fits how I would define conventional swordplay... People jump around all the time in saber fights while jumping, block and striking... So yes, it's very conventional. If you want to use a narrower version of swrodplay.. then I would choose another word besides conventional.

Errrrr... I could say that if it was just Kenobi vs. Maul for a longer period of time.. Kenobi would've disarmed maul totally.. since he partially disarmed him during their one v one saber duel. See how easy it's to assume your own conclusion?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thank you for seeing the obvious.

Thanks for conceding points as well, just like I did 👆

Originally posted by KylarWhite
Had to say something; its so frustrating watching them concede nothing at all. I posted on the thread a while back, and I can't believe it's still going.

And its sorta unfair how people say Anakin's downfall was not part of swordplay, because then how else was Obi Wan supposed to beat him? Although I do agree Anakin's state of mind may have affected him, Soresu's natural way of succeeding is to pretty much defend until the oppenent slips. So I'm pretty sure it was to do with swordplay.

Originally posted by mnat801
Well that's from your perspective. For me and KT, or me at least, it's suprising how people can be confident in the conclusion that Anakin is better than Kenobi. After watching Revenge of the Sith, I intitially thought it was clear that Obi Wan was the superior combatant.

And its sorta unfair how people say Anakin's downfall was not part of swordplay, because then how else was Obi Wan supposed to beat him? Although I do agree Anakin's state of mind may have affected him, Soresu's natural way of succeeding is to pretty much defend until the oppenent slips. So I'm pretty sure it was to do with swordplay.

Fair enough, each to their own.

I just perceive Obi-Wan's victory over Anakin to be the result of poor decision making by Anakin, brought on by his huge distress regarding the actions and choices he'd made, rather than the lightsaber skills of Obi-Wan. Sure, Obi-Wan had held on to that point, but I thought Anakin was all over him for most of the duel. And its not even Pre-Suit Vader we're saying would win, but the Anakin that stomped Dooku. The novel describes that Anakin as possessing "pristine clarity", which is just about the opposite to what Pre-Suit Vader was feeling during that fight. The argument you're making about Obi-wan using Soresu to wait for the right time to strike when Anakin slips up may hold some merit against Pre-Suit Vader, but I really don't see ZonAnakin giving Obi-Wan any such chance.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanks for conceding points as well, just like I did 👆

I just think both sides of the argument have been told. I don't see myself writing a response to your argument now that's not already been said.

Well when Anakin holds back, he holds back on his rage. What does Obi-Wan hold back on?

I personally only see Obi-Wan holding back out of the goodness of his heart. So I can definitely see him holding back somewhat on say Ventress. But not on Dooku.

Also, Kenobi, when with Anakin, might have false sense of advantage and over-relies on Anakin.

Kenobi simply might have conflicting emotions and fear, when fighting Dooku. After all Dooku handled Kenobi before. We've seen how Kenobi was tooling Maul in first fight and how he got tooled after a few taunts from Maul. It's very hard for a Jedi to maintain right state of mind to perform at his best, unlike Sith.

In short there are plenty of reasons why a Jedi could hold back.

Urmmm Maybe. Anakin uses Shien which is very similar to Djem So, but just applied to blaster bolts instead. So that's pretty speculative.

The facts are that Anakin and Kenobi were fighting for the same length of time against the same opponents and yet Kenobi got tired first.

But your actually persuading me a bit. The whole purpose of Soresu is too tire out the opponent. But Anakin has the Force Reserves. So that may be a toss up who gets tired first. But I personally still think it will be Kenobi 😛

Our entire discussion is pretty speculative. 🙂

You speculated on how hardly Kenobi breathes at the end. I speculated on how they both fought much slower towards the end. Subjects to interpretation and believe.

Originally posted by Arhael

In short there are plenty of reasons why a Jedi could hold back.

True but it's all very speculative about how much and when Obi-Wan may or may not hold back.

The point about Anakin's rage is that we know as a fact from the novel and script that it directly increases his power, and according to Dooku he actually has a natural gift for using it.

We also knows he always at least starts a fight holding back on his rage. But tends to get use it more and more as the fight goes on.

Originally posted by mnat801

And its sorta unfair how people say Anakin's downfall was not part of swordplay, because then how else was Obi Wan supposed to beat him? Although I do agree Anakin's state of mind may have affected him, Soresu's natural way of succeeding is to pretty much defend until the oppenent slips. So I'm pretty sure it was to do with swordplay.

If he can't beat him in direct sword combat without having to jump around different level terrains and wait for Anakin to make a dumb jump, then doesn't that say something?

I can understand people seeing Anakin and Obi-Wan as Equal's from the fight (although I personally think Anakin is the more powerful of the 2 hence why he can take Dooku).

But I can't understand anyone thinking Obi-Wan is superior just because of that dumb jump Anakin made which was Very Context Specific.

No one can guarantee Anakin would have made the same jump as a Jedi, and if the fight happened where Sidious fought Mace, or where Anakin fought Dooku or in a million other places it just wouldn't have been an issue anyway.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If he can't beat him in direct sword combat without having to jump around different level terrains and wait for Anakin to make a dumb jump, then doesn't that say something?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can understand people seeing Anakin and Obi-Wan as Equal's from the fight (although I personally think Anakin is the more powerful of the 2 hence why he can take Dooku).

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But I can't understand anyone thinking Obi-Wan is superior just because of that dumb jump Anakin made which was Very Context Specific.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No one can guarantee Anakin would have made the same jump as a Jedi, and if the fight happened where Sidious fought Mace, or where Anakin fought Dooku or in a million other places it just wouldn't have been an issue anyway.

Originally posted by KylarWhite
Fair enough, each to their own.

I just perceive Obi-Wan's victory over Anakin to be the result of poor decision making by Anakin, brought on by his huge distress regarding the actions and choices he'd made, rather than the lightsaber skills of Obi-Wan. Sure, Obi-Wan had held on to that point, but I thought Anakin was all over him for most of the duel. And its not even Pre-Suit Vader we're saying would win, but the Anakin that stomped Dooku. The novel describes that Anakin as possessing "pristine clarity", which is just about the opposite to what Pre-Suit Vader was feeling during that fight. The argument you're making about Obi-wan using Soresu to wait for the right time to strike when Anakin slips up may hold some merit against Pre-Suit Vader, but I really don't see ZonAnakin giving Obi-Wan any such chance.

Originally posted by mnat801

It wasn't just that though. There are 2 clear facts that make it reasonable for someone to believe that Obi Wan is superior.
1. The fact that he was able to last that long against an enraged Anakin and actually defeat him;

Which again is coming back to that jump.

Originally posted by mnat801
2. The fact that Anakin was not able to defeat Obi Wan even though he was able to dispatch Dooku in a matter of seconds.

You do realize that Obi-Wan wasn't able to penetrate Anakin's defenses either right?

So this whole thing about Kenobi apparently being superior and apparently outfighting Anakin really does come down to that 1 jump which was very context specific.
The context being the unique environment and Anakin's new twisted mentality that all lead to the suicide move.

Originally posted by mnat801
Fair enough reason, but from my perspective, if Sith Anakin can't defeat Obi Wan, I don't see normal Anakin doing a whole lot different.

And without a suicide jump Kenobi can't defeat Sith Anakin either.

Anyway this is where we differ. And we've both given our reasons.

Imo Even if I were to agree that Sith Anakin and Jedi Anakin think the same way(which I don't believe), it's still very clear that Anakin's mind was confused when he fought Obi-Wan. And having a clear focus make a big difference to a Jedi's power. And just makes a big difference in combat in general.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Which again is coming back to that jump.

And even if Anakin's jump wasn't due to Obi Wan's skill, it WAS due to Anakin's lack of skill.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You do realize that Obi-Wan wasn't able to penetrate Anakin's defenses either right?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So this whole thing about Kenobi apparently being superior and apparently outfighting Anakin really does come down to that 1 jump which was very context specific.
The context being the unique environment and Anakin's new twisted mentality that all lead to the suicide move.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And without a suicide jump Kenobi can't defeat Sith Anakin either.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Anyway this is where we differ. And we've both given our reasons.

Imo Even if I were to agree that Sith Anakin and Jedi Anakin think the same way(which I don't believe), it's still very clear that Anakin's mind was confused when he fought Obi-Wan. And having a clear focus make a big difference to a Jedi's power. And just makes a big difference in combat in general.

Originally posted by mnat801
Thing is, Anakin didn't make any stupid moves prior to the jump, yet Obi Wan was still able to hold his own for that long.

And yet Obi-Wan also wasn't able to defeat Anakin before that jump.

Originally posted by mnat801
And even if Anakin's jump wasn't due to Obi Wan's skill, it WAS due to Anakin's lack of skill..

So it's again all coming down to that jump.

Obi-Wan is shown to be a better tactician there with Anakin in that mental state. Nothing to do with sword fighting skills though.

Originally posted by mnat801
What are you talking about!? He did, at the end of the duel, that's why Anakin was was missing a few limbs.

So it's again all coming down to that jump before which Obi-Wan was unable to penetrate Anakin's defenses.

Originally posted by mnat801
We'll you don't know that. It could be something else, another flaw that Obi Wan finds.

Speculation. And if we look at the Clone War episodes it's very clear that it's not normal for Anakin to be tactically dumb.

But we've been over this. No point in going around in circles.

But in terms of you not believing Anakin's mental state was an issue, I'll just leave you with this thought since it's a point I've not brought up yet:

How did Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?

Do you really think Buster Douglas was a better boxer than Mike Tyson just because he won that one time they fought? Which happened to coincide with Mike Tyson's personal life being in complete disarray, much like Anakin's was when he fought Kenobi.

Yet we know Mike Tyson was the better boxer due to his other wins against more formidable opponents. Which is similar to why most people here believe Anakin is the superior/more powerful combatant to Kenobi based on his win over Count Dooku.

More assuming your conclusion from the other side. Show me ANY NARRATION in the novel or script that states the only way Kenbi could beat Anakin is by Anakin making a dumb jump. Show me ANY narration stating this. Guess what.. it doesn't exist. Therefore, this nonsense about the only way for Kenobi to win is by Anakin being dumb, is well, not a sound argument at all. In fact, we would use the word conjecture.

Nobody can get around the fact that Kenobi has a HUGE mental edge against Anakin. ANY version of Anakin. I'm not just talking a lack of emotions that concerned the jedi council when he was a little boy. Ya know, the emotion that concerned them even then because they knew he might MAKE DUMB MOVES. A theme that existed throughout his jedi career. Yet people act like he only made dumb bold moves as a newly turned sith.. which couldn't be furhter from the truth. Point is, not just those emtions does Kenobi have the advantage.. but in knowning how to get those emotions out of Anakin by words or actions. He would know very easily how to bait.. goad Anakin into dumb moves using his arrogance.. anger.. brashness against me. This would be the case EACH and EVERY time they fight NO MATTER the version of Anakin. This is something the other side just can't get around.. and the biggest advantage of all the variables between them.

It's certainly not strength as I've proven Anakin doesn't have a significnant strength advantage over Kenobi. It's not force reserves, while a factor an advantage, it's not near the advantage mentality is between these two. Point is, it's Kenobi's fight to lose the majority of time when these two fight. That is just the way the cookie crumbles and I'm sorry some have a hard time accepting this.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
More assuming your conclusion from the other side. Show me ANY NARRATION in the novel or script that states the only way Kenbi could beat Anakin is by Anakin making a dumb jump. Show me ANY narration stating this. Guess what.. it doesn't exist. Therefore, this nonsense about the only way for Kenobi to win is by Anakin being dumb, is well, not a sound argument at all. In fact, we would use the word conjecture.

Because that's how it happened KT. If Obi-Wan has a million different ways to win, why did the fight go on for so long and why did Obi-Wan wait until he was all tired out.

Clearly he couldn't find a way to win earlier and it's unlikely Obi-Wan had much fight left in him.

So it's beyond me how anyone can think Obi-Wan would win each and every time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody can get around the fact that Kenobi has a HUGE mental edge against Anakin. ANY version of Anakin.

Like I said when Anakin was in probably one of the most reckless mentality's in his entire career, still Kenobi fought his longest fight in the PT era to the point where he clearly didn't have much fight left in him, before he found a way to defeat Anakin in a very situational win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not just talking a lack of emotions that concerned the jedi council when he was a little boy. Ya know, the emotion that concerned them even then because they knew he might MAKE DUMB MOVES.

Still sticking to this "Turning to the Dark Side equals dumb" thing. Because that's all the council were concerned with.

That's all ethics and perspectives. I could say staying a Jedi is dumb because you'll never get laid then. See how that works.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
A theme that existed throughout his jedi career. Yet people act like he only made dumb bold moves as a newly turned sith.. which couldn't be furhter from the truth. Point is, not just those emtions does Kenobi have the advantage.. but in knowning how to get those emotions out of Anakin by words or actions. He would know very easily how to bait.. goad Anakin into dumb moves using his arrogance.. anger.. brashness against me. This would be the case EACH and EVERY time they fight NO MATTER the version of Anakin. This is something the other side just can't get around.. and the biggest advantage of all the variables between them.

So he can do that each and every time, and yet he he couldn't do it in the longest duel of his career until he was probably at the point of exhaustion??

Seriously KT the best you can argue is that it's a split if Obi-Wan can take advantage of Anakin's emotions or not. To say he will do it every time means he can do it anytime. Which he clearly can not, otherwise the duel wouldn't have been that long.

Also he's not made a career of making dumb moves. That's BS.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's certainly not strength as I've proven Anakin doesn't have a significnant strength advantage over Kenobi. .

Then you will have to explain why Kenobi was being Forced backwards so much. (And he was FORCED as confirmed by the script.)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because that's how it happened KT. If Obi-Wan has a million different ways to win, why did the fight go on for so long and why did Obi-Wan wait until he was all tired out.

Clearly he couldn't find a way to win earlier and it's unlikely Obi-Wan had much fight left in him.

So it's beyond me how anyone can think Obi-Wan would win each and every time.

Like I said when Anakin was in probably one of the most reckless mentality's in his entire career, still Kenobi fought his longest fight in the PT era to the point where he clearly didn't have much fight left in him, before he found a way to defeat Anakin in a very situational win.

Still sticking to this "Turning to the Dark Side equals dumb" thing. Because that's all the council were concerned with.

That's all ethics and perspectives. I could say staying a Jedi is dumb because you'll never get laid then. See how that works.

So he can do that each and every time, and yet he he couldn't do it in the longest duel of his career until he was probably at the point of exhaustion??

Seriously KT the best you can argue is that it's a split if Obi-Wan can take advantage of Anakin's emotions or not. To say he will do it every time means he can do it anytime. Which he clearly can not, otherwise the duel wouldn't have been that long.

Also he's not made a career of making dumb moves. That's BS.

Then you will have to explain why Kenobi was being Forced backwards so much. (And he was FORCED as confirmed by the script.)

Darth why do you continue to assume your own conclusion over and over again even when I point out that you continue to do it? Jesus H. Christ... SHOW ME ANY NARRATION that says the only way Kenobi was winning the fight was by Anakin making a dumb move. I mean really... your argument is.. Well if Obi couldn't won another way why didn't he.. REALLY.. are you serious??? LULZ. Is this your first Rodeo into movies? Just because Frodo made it to Mordor the way he was lead.. doesn't mean that was the only way he could've made it there. Your line of thinking is.. well if there was another way.. why didn't they go that way.. LOL.. That is so illogical it's not even funny... not only in real life but to make such conclusion about movies is, well, kinda dumb.

You keep talking about how Kenobi was near exhaustion and couldn't hold out much logner. Please post the narration that states this or concede you were making this up.

NO.. they weren't JUST concerned with him turning to the DS.. in fact NO NARRATION exist with them even stating this concern or even thinking it. There concern was that he wasn't of the proper jedi mind. He had attributes that didn't mesh with being a jedi.. anger.. fear.. arrogance.. etc etc. So no, they weren't just concerned with him turning to a sith.. they were concerned with him not having what it takes to be a jedi with thse mental issues. Turning to a sith is always a possibility iwth any Jedi.

I don't think he would win each and every time.. I believe and stated.. I believe it would be his fight to win each and every time. Of course Anakin would take some wins.. he's that good and would win some. If I had to do a out of 10 thing.. it would be Kenobi 6-/10. What would yours be?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Darth why do you continue to assume your own conclusion over and over again even when I point out that you continue to do it? Jesus H. Christ... SHOW ME ANY NARRATION that says the only way Kenobi was winning the fight was by Anakin making a dumb move. I mean really... your argument is.. Well if Obi couldn't won another way why didn't he.. REALLY.. are you serious??? LULZ. Is this your first Rodeo into movies? Just because Frodo made it to Mordor the way he was lead.. doesn't mean that was the only way he could've made it there. Your line of thinking is.. well if there was another way.. why didn't they go that way.. LOL.. That is so illogical it's not even funny... not only in real life but to make such conclusion about movies is, well, kinda dumb.

KT I've made a reasonable assumption based on the facts.

Fact no1. Obi-Wan's win was Very Situational.
Fact no2. It was very late into the fight. Heck it was the longest Saber duel in the Mythos.
Fact no.3 Obi-Wan's win was due to a "messed up in the head" Anakin making a very dumb tactical move. Something that was unusual for a Jedi of his Reputation and Caliber.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You keep talking about how Kenobi was near exhaustion and couldn't hold out much logner. Please post the narration that states this or concede you were making this up.

I was just discussing this with Arhael a couple of pages back. He noted how both of them were fighting a lot slower towards the end of the fight. I noted Obi-Wan's panting at the end.

I'm not saying that Anakin wasn't tiring. They possibly both were. But to think Obi-Wan could have continued for a lot longer is pushing it due to:

Fact no1. It being the longest duel of the Saga already.
Fact no2. The script notes Kenobi getting tired in a much much shorter fight. The one against Count Dooku. You can argue he was in a battle before that fight. But the fact then so was Anakin.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
NO.. they weren't JUST concerned with him turning to the DS.. in fact NO NARRATION exist with them even stating this concern or even thinking it.

Really KT?? Really??

Fear is the path to the DARK SIDE. Fear leads to ANGER, anger leads to HATE, hate leads to SUFFFEEERING. I sense MUCH FEAR in you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't think he would win each and every time.. I believe and stated.. I believe it would be his fight to win each and every time. Of course Anakin would take some wins.. he's that good and would win some. If I had to do a out of 10 thing.. it would be Kenobi 6-/10. What would yours be?

Ah well that's Ok. At least you agree it's a split and they're about even. I thought you were saying Kenobi would win each and every time.

I'd give Anakin the majority. I'd give Sith Anakin 6/10. Jedi Anakin 7/10.

And I believe Anakin is the one better suited to deal with Powerhouses like Count Dooku any day of the week.

But I can understand anyone who thinks the odds between Anakin and Obi-Wan are pretty equal given their ROTS fight.