ROTS Kenobi vs. Zone Anakin

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The film lacks narrative, and for that the novel is accounted for. The duel in the novel ends the exact same way, the difference is that we get a personal account from Obi-Wan's perspective. The novels allow us insight in to what the characters feel at the very moment, something we can't see in films. For obvious reasons, Vader, Obi-Wan, Luke etc. aren't going to be narrating to the camera, but the book is able to. It's through this narration that we know who the better duelist really is. In the case of Phantom Menace, we know it's Maul. For RotS, we know about "Zonakin", we know how he felt, we can know Dooku's thoughts. And it's through the novel, that, no matter who won the fight, we learn that Obi-Wan is an inferior duelist and Force-user compared to Darth Vader.

This is not my opinion, nor is it yours. This is canonical fact. You don't get to cherry pick what fits just because you have a preconceived notion.

Originally posted by mnat801
What is canonical fact, is that it was vader whose limbs were chopped off, not kenobis. if vader was the superior duelist, he would not let this happen to him. and THAT is not MY opinion, it is fact.

Seems you've already forgotten what PIS is. Kay, I'm done, you're never going to get it. If you refuse to read the novel, it's your own foolishness.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
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Seems you've already forgotten what PIS is. Kay, I'm done, you're never going to get it. If you refuse to read the novel, it's your own foolishness.

Considering that no response will ever convince you, I'll take that as a compliment.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Considering that no response will ever convince you, I'll take that as a compliment.

Originally posted by mnat801
All you have told me is that a novel teaches us to realise that anakin is a better duelist, and that this PIS nonsense means i cant use clear facts from the film, which i believe is unfair.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Unfortunately then, this is exactly the case. You seem to understand everything else, but you're refusing to acknowledge PIS and accept canon. You have no place here if that's the case.

So... if I were to state that 2+2=4, you'd feel the need to argue it? But if I opined that 2+2=5, you'd feel no need to argue it? You feel the need to argue against fact, but utterly accept subjective opinion?

The f*ck?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So... if I were to state that 2+2=4, you'd feel the need to argue it? But if I opined that 2+2=5, you'd feel no need to argue it? You feel the need to argue against fact, but utterly accept subjective opinion?

The f*ck?

Originally posted by mnat801
NO. I meant that your are stating something that is a fact, when it actually isn't.

Originally posted by mnat801
i agree with the fact that novels provide more narrative, but anakin never got the better of obi wan, and if he WAS the better duelist, he would have broken obi wans defence and striked him down. but he didnt, therefore he is not superior to obi wan as a duelist. The film is enough proof for this! only until vader can break kenobis defence like dooku did in AOTC can you prove to me that kenobi is the inferior duelist.

And im pretty sure im being rational here.

Jesus Christ man, in Star Wars a Jedi's power is determined by their focus. Obi-Wan was focused and determined to defeat Anakin, Anakin was conflicted, shown crying right before and just force choked his wife.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Jesus Christ man, in Star Wars a Jedi's power is determined by their focus. Obi-Wan was focused and determined to defeat Anakin, Anakin was conflicted, shown crying right before and just force choked his wife.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Question: do you understand Star Wars canon, or have you just been (figuratively) nodding along whenever I bring it up?

The novel. Go read it.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The novel. Go read it.

I guess a Vader vs. Palpatine thread would be a spite thread. All Vader has to do is pick Palpatine up and throw him down a reactor shaft, because that's what happened in the film.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I guess a Vader vs. Palpatine thread would be a spite thread. All Vader has to do is pick Palpatine up and throw him down a reactor shaft, because that's what happened in the film.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Jesus Christ man, in Star Wars a Jedi's power is determined by their focus. Obi-Wan was focused and determined to defeat Anakin, Anakin was conflicted, shown crying right before and just force choked his wife.

Originally posted by mnat801
Yes, I know this, so whats your point? Im not arguing that obi wan was a better duelist than anakin, rather the fact that anakin is not a better duelist than obi wan! This is clearly shown in the ROTS film!

I assume, he means, that Anakin wasn't able to give 100% from himself when he confronted Obi-Wan.
When Anakin was giving 100% from himself, he was able to defeat people from Dooku's league, which was far above Obi-wan's.

If my interpretation of his post is correct, then I agree with that.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Anakin is the better duelist no matter who wins or loses. That's the point of this, who is the better duelist, not who won. Don't you get that yet? The novelization of RotS puts clear as day that Anakin is a superior duelist, and a more powerful Force-user.

What matters [b]in this forum, is feats. PIS isn't a feat; I can't seem to get that through to you. It's a very specific variable that is placed in on behalf of the plot, and that is something that we do not, and can not use in these threads. Plot variables and character motivations are prone to opinion and subjectivity, and thus, a useless thread. I think that's what you're not understanding. We literally can not use that stuff here. Do you get it yet? [/B]

Post the narration that says Anakin is the clear superior duelist please. I recall no such narration. Furthermore, Anakin DIDN"T prove to be the better duelist and I don't you keep spouting this rhetoric. Kenobi in fact, proved to be superior. You can scream PIS till you can't breath anymore but there was no such thing. They fight IN CHARACTER ON THIS FORUM. It was IN CHARACTER FOR ANAKIN to try such an arrogant move. Period. That isn't PIS, that is Anakin fighting in character.

Originally posted by mnat801
We could say thats due to sids being so suprised, eg how maul was suprised when kenobi cut him in half.

That's PIS dude... that's what LL is referring to. The same philosophy holds true for the Vader/Kenobi duel in RotS.