ROTS Kenobi vs. Zone Anakin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Post the narration that says Anakin is the clear superior duelist please. I recall no such narration. Furthermore, Anakin DIDN"T prove to be the better duelist and I don't you keep spouting this rhetoric. Kenobi in fact, proved to be superior. You can scream PIS till you can't breath anymore but there was no such thing. They fight IN CHARACTER ON THIS FORUM. It was IN CHARACTER FOR ANAKIN to try such an arrogant move. Period. That isn't PIS, that is Anakin fighting in character.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Post the narration that says Anakin is the clear superior duelist please. I recall no such narration. Furthermore, Anakin DIDN"T prove to be the better duelist and I don't you keep spouting this rhetoric. Kenobi in fact, proved to be superior. You can scream PIS till you can't breath anymore but there was no such thing. They fight IN CHARACTER ON THIS FORUM. It was IN CHARACTER FOR ANAKIN to try such an arrogant move. Period. That isn't PIS, that is Anakin fighting in character.

Originally posted by Zett
I assume, he means, that Anakin wasn't able to give 100% from himself when he confronted Obi-Wan.
When Anakin was giving 100% from himself, he was able to defeat people from Dooku's league, which was far above Obi-wan's.

If my interpretation of his post is correct, then I agree with that.

Originally posted by mnat801
That's probably why he was always on the defensive.

True we all know Obi-Wan is usually a very aggressive and offensive combatant 😕

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It was IN CHARACTER FOR ANAKIN to try such an arrogant move. Period. That isn't PIS, that is Anakin fighting in character.

I'm still not buying it was in his character to do that. When else does he do such stupidly arrogant moves like that? Maybe that was in character for the newly twisted to the dark side Sith Anakin. But there's no way I see Jedi Knight Anakin making that move.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
True we all know Obi-Wan is usually a very aggressive and offensive combatant 😕

I'm still not buying it was in his character to do that. When else does he do such stupidly arrogant moves like that? Maybe that was in character for the newly twisted to the dark side Sith Anakin. But there's no way I see Jedi Knight Anakin making that move.

Throughout Anakin's ENTIRE history he made such moves. This was WELL DOCUMENTED THROUGH EACH MOVIE. Shit, Anakin even says so himself.. Obi is going to be pissed at me again for making this stupid move or that stupid move. I've lost my lighsaber again.. Obi will be really pissed. Going with the princess to try and help out Obi against dooku and millions of his army.. and getting captured.. bad move. OVER and OVER again he's made such moves and you go.. nuh uh.. I don't think he does such things.. WTF.. Did you even see the movie and the clear presentation of them and this being the case?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Throughout Anakin's ENTIRE history he made such moves. This was WELL DOCUMENTED THROUGH EACH MOVIE. Shit, Anakin even says so himself.. Obi is going to be pissed at me again for making this stupid move or that stupid move. I've lost my lighsaber again.. Obi will be really pissed. Going with the princess to try and help out Obi against dooku and millions of his army.. and getting captured.. bad move. OVER and OVER again he's made such moves and you go.. nuh uh.. I don't think he does such things.. WTF.. Did you even see the movie and the clear presentation of them and this being the case?

What?? So a Padawan occasionally losing his Lightsaber = An obvious future dumbass Jedi Knight who will clearly make a dumb and needless suicide jump??

Ashoka lost her Lightsaber in the episode "Lightsaber Lost" so I guess she's also obviously a dumbass who would make the same move??

And FYI it was Padme's decision to go try and save Obi-Wan in AOTC. So I guess Padme's also a clear dumb ass who would also make a needless suicide jump?!

The Clone Wars is the only series that properly shows Anakin as a Jedi Knight. And it's shown Skywalker fighting alongside Obi-Wan and other Masters like Mace Windu. And you know what? Skywalker's been shown to be smarter than any of them almost every time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Post the narration that says Anakin is the clear superior duelist please. I recall no such narration.

I believe he was referring to this:

Dead hands spasmed on triggers and blaster bolts sizzled through impossibly intricate lattices of ricochet.
Obi-Wan barely caught some and flipped them at Anakin: a desperation move. Anything to distract him; anything to slow him down. Easily, contemptuously, Anakin sent them back, and the bolts flared between their blades until their galvening faded and the particles of the packeted beams dispersed into radioactive fog.....

A roar of the Force blasted Obi-Wan back into the wall, smashing breath from his lungs, leaving him swaying, half stunned.

If that doesn't show Anakin was clearly the superior combatant then I really don't know what does!!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Throughout Anakin's ENTIRE history he made such moves. This was WELL DOCUMENTED THROUGH EACH MOVIE. Shit, Anakin even says so himself.. Obi is going to be pissed at me again for making this stupid move or that stupid move. I've lost my lighsaber again.. Obi will be really pissed. Going with the princess to try and help out Obi against dooku and millions of his army.. and getting captured.. bad move. OVER and OVER again he's made such moves and you go.. nuh uh.. I don't think he does such things.. WTF.. Did you even see the movie and the clear presentation of them and this being the case?

If Anakin is so full of "stupid moves" in which Obi Wan can take advantage of each and every time, I wonder why their fight lasted so long. I wonder why Obi Wan took advantage of Anakin's stupid moves only after gaining the high ground. Why would Obi Wan want to purposely tire himself out like that?

Anakin has been noted to be extremely reckless many times, and has backed it up in all medias. I don't see how thats in question.

What's in question is Obi Wan's ability to take advantage of this and win each and every time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin has been noted to be extremely reckless many times, and has backed it up in all medias. I don't see how thats in question.

Without that "recklessness" he never would have defeated Admiral Trench.

There's a difference between what the Jedi consider reckless and what's clearly a dumb move. It's definitely not normal for him to make such a dumb move. In fact he's actually probably smarter than Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Without that "recklessness" he never would have defeated Admiral Trench.

There's a difference between what the Jedi consider reckless and what's clearly a dumb move. It's definitely not normal for him to make such a dumb move. In fact he's actually probably smarter than Obi-Wan.

Without that recklessness he'd probably still have all his limbs by the age of 25.

But he's much less wise.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What?? So a Padawan occasionally losing his Lightsaber = An obvious future dumbass Jedi Knight who will clearly make a dumb and needless suicide jump??

Ashoka lost her Lightsaber in the episode "Lightsaber Lost" so I guess she's also obviously a dumbass who would make the same move??

And FYI it was Padme's decision to go try and save Obi-Wan in AOTC. So I guess Padme's also a clear dumb ass who would also make a needless suicide jump?!

The Clone Wars is the only series that properly shows Anakin as a Jedi Knight. And it's shown Skywalker fighting alongside Obi-Wan and other Masters like Mace Windu. And you know what? Skywalker's been shown to be smarter than any of them almost every time.

I believe he was referring to this:

Dead hands spasmed on triggers and blaster bolts sizzled through impossibly intricate lattices of ricochet.
Obi-Wan barely caught some and flipped them at Anakin: a desperation move. Anything to distract him; anything to slow him down. Easily, contemptuously, Anakin sent them back, and the bolts flared between their blades until their galvening faded and the particles of the packeted beams dispersed into radioactive fog.....

A roar of the Force blasted Obi-Wan back into the wall, smashing breath from his lungs, leaving him swaying, half stunned.

If that doesn't show Anakin was clearly the superior combatant then I really don't know what does!!

In the Clone Wars which you keep referencing that shows Anakin is so tactical and smart.. is the very movie he makes another stupid move in the highest form of canon. Very much like the one he made agaisnt dooku.. He tried to attack Dooku by himsefl when Kenobi already told him not to and they must do it together... The very time period you reference has he making another stupid bold move. As Neph says... this is a CONSTANT theme throughout ALL the movies and even books. How some of you can argue that it's not in character for him to make bold.. rash.. arrogant moves is beyond me.

As far as your quote goes.. I pray you're using good sarcasm.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If Anakin is so full of "stupid moves" in which Obi Wan can take advantage of each and every time, I wonder why their fight lasted so long. I wonder why Obi Wan took advantage of Anakin's stupid moves only after gaining the high ground. Why would Obi Wan want to purposely tire himself out like that?

Question.. Is it well documented that Anakin makes bold.. rash.. arrogant.. stupid moves? Simple. It's TOTALLY wiithin character for him to do so and that is exactly what he did. That isn't PIS.. that is anakin fighting in character. Smart at first.. but eventually he gets reckless.

Obi Wan is definitely a clever fighter, but without those same exact circumstances I don't see Obi Wan pulling off a victory. Most likely Anakin will eventually overpower Obi Wan. Obi Wan did all he could just to last as long as he did on Mustafar.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Question.. Is it well documented that Anakin makes bold.. rash.. arrogant.. stupid moves? Simple. It's TOTALLY wiithin character for him to do so and that is exactly what he did. That isn't PIS.. that is anakin fighting in character. Smart at first.. but eventually he gets reckless.

Anakin may be reckless, but he's not stupid. Anakin's stupidity was PIS.

To these guys, PIS doesn't exist, Sids.

When the character has a history of such stupidity, it's CIS. Anakin being reckless and leaping before he's looked is a notable part of his character. Therefore, it's Character Induced Stupidity.

I've always seen CIS as just a subsection of PIS. Characters becoming stupid for the sake of the plot.

I do believe the brilliant user known as Gideon coined the term. The more I learn about that guy, the more I like him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I've always seen CIS as just a subsection of PIS. Characters becoming stupid for the sake of the plot.

Said characters were always stupid.

CIS is much more excusable than PIS. In PIS the plot bends towards the stupid in order to justify itself. In CIS the stupidity is a natural part of the plot, established beforehand.

Yeah, but Lucien's argument is decidedly far more logical than his opponents'... Anakin's recklessness hasn't handicapped him in every fight he's been in and he's shown enormous talent as a military tactician and engineer. To be frank, he's probably a genius.