^ Just re-checked. He never kicked Kenobi to the floor. But his kicks were clearly harming him (especially the one to the face), and had Obi-Wan backing away further and further.
It's clear in the portion of the fight that was on flat ground that Anakin was the superior combatant.
So Obi-Wan HAD TO take advantage of the terrain to win, or even just to keep in the fight. But as a duelist Anakin was definitely superior. The first half of the fight clearly shows that.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Just re-checked. He never kicked Kenobi to the floor. But his kicks were clearly harming him (especially the one to the face), and had Obi-Wan backing away further and further.It's clear in the portion of the fight that was on flat ground that Anakin was the superior combatant.
So Obi-Wan HAD TO take advantage of the terrain to win, or even just to keep in the fight. But as a duelist Anakin was definitely superior. The first half of the fight clearly shows that.
Why do you keep saying CLEARLY.. It wasn't CLEAR at all in fact. Anakin tried a force push and was promptly stalemated. Kenobi also landed shots on anakin... You act like Anakin is the only one who did. Not ture. You keep making the mistake of viewing Kenobi backing up more as him being inferior and that isn't close to true or correct. In fact, it's quite the opposite. That is exactly how Kenobi fights with his style and nothing more. Fact is, Kenobi beat Anakin with Anakin fighting in Character. You can make a thread with Anakin not figthing in character and totally smart and that is fine. But unless specified he fights in character and Kenobi more times than not will take advantage of Anakin's mistakes.
It was NOT clear that anakin was superior for the first portion of the battle, it was very even. And you can't take half of a fight into consideration and not the rest. Regardless of the proof of anakin forcing obi wan back, kicks etc, he never actually got near to the point where he was close to killing obi wan. It was still a very even match, and so anakin can't actually be better than him. theres no proof of anakin defeating obi wan, only obi wan defeating anakin.
And regardless of terrain, it was a very fair 1 on 1 duel, a long, hard win for kenobi, but still a win.
Originally posted by mnat801
Regardless of the proof of anakin forcing obi wan back, kicks etc, he never actually got near to the point where he was close to killing obi wan.
Really??
So at 1:07 to 1:15 he didn't come even close to killing Obi-Wan???
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why do you keep saying CLEARLY.. It wasn't CLEAR at all in fact. Anakin tried a force push and was promptly stalemated. Kenobi also landed shots on anakin...
Lol the kicks Obi-Wan landed on Anakin were much fewer in number and hardly effected Anakin in the slightest.
Also the stalemated force push effected Anakin A LOT LESS than it did Obi-Wan. Anakin didn't even take a second to rest and jumped right back to Obi-Wan whilst Obi-Wan was still getting himself back up.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You act like Anakin is the only one who did. Not ture. You keep making the mistake of viewing Kenobi backing up more as him being inferior and that isn't close to true or correct. In fact, it's quite the opposite. That is exactly how Kenobi fights with his style and nothing more.
Not true. He was backing up way too far in this fight. And Anakin was clearly getting some hurtful kicks in. Not to mention almost killing him with the choke.
The script (written by Lucas himself) makes it perfectly clear that Obi-Wan was being "FORCED" backwards. So it wasn't his choice/strategy to back up that much. And it's certainly Not in his style to take a kick to the face Lol.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Fact is, Kenobi beat Anakin with Anakin fighting in Character. You can make a thread with Anakin not figthing in character and totally smart and that is fine. But unless specified he fights in character and Kenobi more times than not will take advantage of Anakin's mistakes.
I give up arguing that it's not in character for Jedi Knight Anakin to make stupid needless suicide moves moves in a fight. Your having to lowball him to argue that Obi-Wan wins.
It was only in Character for the newly turned Sith Anakin whose mind had just been twisted like Yoda explains himself. That's why Yoda knew if they act right now Obi-Wan could have a chance to take him before he completely embraces the Dark Side with no conflict and becomes even more powerful.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're fighting an endless battle, DP. There's no getting through these guys' skulls.
I'm beginning to see that.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol the kicks Obi-Wan landed on Anakin were much fewer in number and hardly effected Anakin in the slightest.Also the stalemated force push effected Anakin A LOT LESS than it did Obi-Wan. Anakin didn't even take a second to rest and jumped right back to Obi-Wan whilst Obi-Wan was still getting himself back up.
Not true. He was backing up way too far in this fight. And Anakin was clearly getting some hurtful kicks in. Not to mention almost killing him with the choke.
The script (written by Lucas himself) makes it perfectly clear that Obi-Wan was being "FORCED" backwards. So it wasn't his choice/strategy to back up that much. And it's certainly Not in his style to take a kick to the face Lol.
I give up arguing that it's not in character for Jedi Knight Anakin to make stupid needless suicide moves moves in a fight. Your having to lowball him to argue that Obi-Wan wins.
It was only in Character for the newly turned Sith Anakin whose mind had just been twisted like Yoda explains himself. That's why Yoda knew if they act right now Obi-Wan could have a chance to take him before he completely embraces the Dark Side with no conflict and becomes even more powerful.
I'm beginning to see that.
Okay, let's go over this because clearly you're viewing things very skewed one way and not open to anything else. You say Anakin's kicks were effecting Kenobi more.. NOT TRUE. Kenobo lands a ***** slap and STRAIGHT KEEP ANAKIN ON HIS BACK ON THE GROUND. Long enough for Kenobi to stand over him force call his sword and proceed to try and kill Anakin. There was no other strike Landed in the fight that kept either down as long as that. So that right there destroys your theory that Anakin strikes were effecting him more. In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Then you claim the force push effected Kenobi more.. why... wait for it.. wait for it.. Because Kenobi takes a little longer to get up and doesn't bounce around the room like an idiot jumping at skywalker? That is the reason. Sorry I saw nothing fo the sort there. I saw Kenobi not seeing the point in rushing somebody.. ya know.. because that just isn't what he does. The telling part of the scene was the STALEMATE on force powers. Which again shows Kenobi was very much in the fight and fighting on even terms. So that part has been proven incorrect.
Let me ask you this.. Does Anakin have an arrogance problem throughout the movies? If he believes he's superior to someone or really in general.. is he prone to making rash bold moves? It's a simple question that is shown to be throughout all fomss of star wars lore. So if he believes he is so much more superior than Kenobi.. which he clearly did... why would he be prone to make mistakes EACH AND EVERY TIME they fought.. with Kenob's style playing right into that... Holding him off.. holding him off. waiting for said mistake. Why isn't that a likely outcome more times than not. Is Anakin suddenly not going to think he's superior and not make bold rash moves? NO.. he will.
Just because somebody doesn't view a scene or a fight in the same vein doesn't mean their views are dismissed and we have thick skulls. I've used PRIMARY CANON to support my theory and there is no getting aroudn that fact. I see NOTHIGN NOTHING to suggest via narration that Anakin was the superior duelist. I've asked time and time agian to produce said narration and I've gotten.. Anakin was forcing Kenobi back.. HUH.. that is the smoking gun? Please that is a water gun not a AK. Shit it's not even a super soaker. Speaking of forcing back.. Do you watch bocing? If so, watch Nelson vs. Whitaker... Shit even watch Ramirez vs. Whitaker... or literally countless examples in boxing... watch a PBF fight... They are FORCED back throughout the fight.. but does that mean they are losing? No they are not.. that is THEIR STYLE and they are in fact WINNING. Watch countless UFC fights.. countless boxing matches.. real life fights.. being forced back is not indicative of always losing. Period.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay, let's go over this because clearly you're viewing things very skewed one way and not open to anything else. You say Anakin's kicks were effecting Kenobi more.. NOT TRUE. Kenobo lands a ***** slap and STRAIGHT KEEP ANAKIN ON HIS BACK ON THE GROUND. Long enough for Kenobi to stand over him force call his sword and proceed to try and kill Anakin. There was no other strike Landed in the fight that kept either down as long as that. So that right there destroys your theory that Anakin strikes were effecting him more. In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Let's see shall we who was winning the fight all the way until Obi-Wan ran out to where the landscape was all over the place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI
1:07-1:15 he's choking Obi-Wan to death. Forcing his Lightsaber down to his face. I suppose that's just his style right? Lol
Only a desperate kick saved his life there.
Then you mention how at 1:32 Anakin's on the floor and just barely gets his Lightsaber to block Obi-Wan's attack.
Firstly that situation would never have even come about if Anakin hadn't tried (and almost succeeded) to choke Obi-Wan to death. But still the fact that from that position Obi-Wan couldn't outduel an Anakin whose lying on his ass and who from that position parries Obi-Wan's 2 handed strike with just 1 hand!!!
The fact that Obi-Wan still couldn't outduel him and defeat him from that position in that situation proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Obi-Wan IS NOT a superior duelist to Anakin and is most likely Inferior!
Then at 2:20 there's a kick to the face which clearly wasn't Obi-Wan's style of fighting and clearly was hard for him to take. Which is the real reaosn he just retreats to where the Landscape is all over the place, because only there does Obi-Wan have a chance to survive this fight.
The final piece of evidence that Anakin would have without a doubt won this fight on neutral ground, is when Obi-Wan talks to him at the end. The guy is so out of breath and Anakin is just fine!
This again supports the script which says in the Dooku fight Anakin only gets stronger whilst Obi-Wan and Dooku get tired. And that was a much shorter fight!
How anyone can think Obi-Wan is an equal or even superior duelist to Anakin when Anakin tooled Count Dooku is beyond me.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Then you claim the force push effected Kenobi more.. why... wait for it.. wait for it.. Because Kenobi takes a little longer to get up and doesn't bounce around the room like an idiot jumping at skywalker? That is the reason. Sorry I saw nothing fo the sort there. I saw Kenobi not seeing the point in rushing somebody.. ya know.. because that just isn't what he does. The telling part of the scene was the STALEMATE on force powers. Which again shows Kenobi was very much in the fight and fighting on even terms. So that part has been proven incorrect.
Yes nice theory except we know as a fact that Anakin's ability to tank force attacks exceeds Obi-Wan's by absolute multitudes!
Anakin in the CW can has tanked pretty much all of Count Dooku's efforts to use the Force on him. Yes the same Count Dooku who disposes of Obi-Wan with a mere flick of the wrist!
So try again.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this.. Does Anakin have an arrogance problem throughout the movies? If he believes he's superior to someone or really in general.. is he prone to making rash bold moves? It's a simple question that is shown to be throughout all fomss of star wars lore. So if he believes he is so much more superior than Kenobi.. which he clearly did... why would he be prone to make mistakes EACH AND EVERY TIME they fought.. with Kenob's style playing right into that... Holding him off.. holding him off. waiting for said mistake. Why isn't that a likely outcome more times than not. Is Anakin suddenly not going to think he's superior and not make bold rash moves? NO.. he will.
Listen you keep saying he did this crap throughout the movies.. You mean he did it in 1 movie. AOTC. When he was a frustrated Padawan. That won't cut it. He's proved through the CW that HE IS Smarter than Obi-Wan. And that HE IS a scientific and tactical genius.
Being bold and rash isn't always a bad thing. What's dumb is to make a suicide move like he did. Jedi Anakin certainly isn't that stupid.
Imho switching to the Dark Side really increased his Arrogance and Rashness to a point where he did to that suicide move. But Jedi Anakin? Nah no way he'd do that move. In fact he'd probably see it coming before Obi-Wan made the jump.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just because somebody doesn't view a scene or a fight in the same vein doesn't mean their views are dismissed and we have thick skulls. I've used PRIMARY CANON to support my theory and there is no getting aroudn that fact. I see NOTHIGN NOTHING to suggest via narration that Anakin was the superior duelist. I've asked time and time agian to produce said narration and I've gotten.. Anakin was forcing Kenobi back.. HUH.. that is the smoking gun? Please that is a water gun not a AK. Shit it's not even a super soaker. Speaking of forcing back.. Do you watch bocing? If so, watch Nelson vs. Whitaker... Shit even watch Ramirez vs. Whitaker... or literally countless examples in boxing... watch a PBF fight... They are FORCED back throughout the fight.. but does that mean they are losing? No they are not.. that is THEIR STYLE and they are in fact WINNING. Watch countless UFC fights.. countless boxing matches.. real life fights.. being forced back is not indicative of always losing. Period.
Yes your problem is your ONLY using primary canon and ignoring all the secondary canon which supports it and does not in any way contradict it. Some of that canon (CW series) is created and Executive Produced by Lucas himself.
I've already pointed out how his backing off was because he couldn't beat him on even ground. In fact he very almost got killed.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay, let's go over this because clearly you're viewing things very skewed one way and not open to anything else. You say Anakin's kicks were effecting Kenobi more.. NOT TRUE. Kenobo lands a ***** slap and STRAIGHT KEEP ANAKIN ON HIS BACK ON THE GROUND. Long enough for Kenobi to stand over him force call his sword and proceed to try and kill Anakin. There was no other strike Landed in the fight that kept either down as long as that. So that right there destroys your theory that Anakin strikes were effecting him more. In fact, it's the exact opposite.Then you claim the force push effected Kenobi more.. why... wait for it.. wait for it.. Because Kenobi takes a little longer to get up and doesn't bounce around the room like an idiot jumping at skywalker? That is the reason. Sorry I saw nothing fo the sort there. I saw Kenobi not seeing the point in rushing somebody.. ya know.. because that just isn't what he does. The telling part of the scene was the STALEMATE on force powers. Which again shows Kenobi was very much in the fight and fighting on even terms. So that part has been proven incorrect.
Let me ask you this.. Does Anakin have an arrogance problem throughout the movies? If he believes he's superior to someone or really in general.. is he prone to making rash bold moves? It's a simple question that is shown to be throughout all fomss of star wars lore. So if he believes he is so much more superior than Kenobi.. which he clearly did... why would he be prone to make mistakes EACH AND EVERY TIME they fought.. with Kenob's style playing right into that... Holding him off.. holding him off. waiting for said mistake. Why isn't that a likely outcome more times than not. Is Anakin suddenly not going to think he's superior and not make bold rash moves? NO.. he will.
Just because somebody doesn't view a scene or a fight in the same vein doesn't mean their views are dismissed and we have thick skulls. I've used PRIMARY CANON to support my theory and there is no getting aroudn that fact. I see NOTHIGN NOTHING to suggest via narration that Anakin was the superior duelist. I've asked time and time agian to produce said narration and I've gotten.. Anakin was forcing Kenobi back.. HUH.. that is the smoking gun? Please that is a water gun not a AK. Shit it's not even a super soaker. Speaking of forcing back.. Do you watch bocing? If so, watch Nelson vs. Whitaker... Shit even watch Ramirez vs. Whitaker... or literally countless examples in boxing... watch a PBF fight... They are FORCED back throughout the fight.. but does that mean they are losing? No they are not.. that is THEIR STYLE and they are in fact WINNING. Watch countless UFC fights.. countless boxing matches.. real life fights.. being forced back is not indicative of always losing. Period.
^ This was very well thought out, IMO. But the thing is, usually in boxing or UFC, the defensive fighter will store his energy while the more aggressive fighter will expend his. However, if the defensive fighter is constantly forced against the ropes, and if his defensive style is not getting him anywhere other than not getting KOed, he will likely lose the fight. With Obi Wan and Anakin, Obi Wan was using up his energy just to last as long as he did, while there was no indications that Anakin was even beginning to get tired, despite the fact that Anakin was being more aggressive and launching most of the attacks. Anakin's force reserves exceeds Obi Wan's by miles. If it weren't for Obi Wan's high ground and Anakin's stupid move, Obi Wan would have most likely been tired out and killed.
That is largely because in unarmed combat, even if you don't get finished by strikes, they can still damage you and factor towards a decision against you. Though aggression is usually considered as well. But in a swordfight, you don't really get damaged unless you get hit directly, which often results in victory anyway. You can get tired out and stuff, and perhaps clashing blades can potentially cause some muscle damage as well, but in a swordfight all you really have to do for the most part to not take damage, is essentially not to get killed. So Obi-Wan's job is basically to survive until he gets to find an opponing or tire his opponent out. Perhaps he was tiring more quickly than Anakin (though heavy breathing doesn't always perfectly reflect how much longer you cna last for the record) but eh did exploit an oppening.
When a fighter is tired out, it slows him down and his performance will will not be as good. Even if Obi Wan sees an opening, he must also be fast enough to exploit it. He was unable to land a fatal blow on Anakin in the beginning of the duel, so what makes you think he can at the end, when he is being tired out and slowing down. I mean, it's possible, but not very likely, unless Anakin was also slowing down (and there is no indication of that). As I said, if it weren't for Obi Wan's high ground and Anakin's stupid move, most likely Obi Wan would have eventually been far too tired to keep up his performance, and would have thus been killed. Most likely, anyway.
Even if he didn't show it I'd like to think that Anakin would tire out during the fight, and even if Obi-Wan was tiring out at a greater rate he still had it in him to go as operate as quickly as he did at the beginning of the duel, and the nature of leaving an opening is such that it puts you on lower footing than your opponent in that moment, so Obi-Wan woudln't necessarily. need to have as much energy to be able to exploit it
Most of that points to Anakin having much better cardio than Anakin anyway, not being the better swordsman.
The script specifically notes Anakin FORCING Obi-Wan backwards. So he wasn't just falling back as part of his strategy or because it was his style. In this case he kept falling back, kept moving away from Anakin because Anakin was overpowering him.
Just because Obi-Wan was surviving doesn't mean they were equal. There was only so long he could keep up his defense and his backing off.
And S66 is right. The defensive fighter shouldn't be the one tiring. The purpose of keeping on the defense is to tire the opponent. Like when Muhammad Ali kept taking hits from George Foreman until all it took was a couple of hits to put Foreman down because HE was the one who was too tired from taking the offensive.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Let's see shall we who was winning the fight all the way until Obi-Wan ran out to where the landscape was all over the place:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI
1:07-1:15 he's choking Obi-Wan to death. Forcing his Lightsaber down to his face. I suppose that's just his style right? Lol
Only a desperate kick saved his life there.
Then you mention how at 1:32 Anakin's on the floor and just barely gets his Lightsaber to block Obi-Wan's attack.
Firstly that situation would never have even come about if Anakin hadn't tried (and almost succeeded) to choke Obi-Wan to death. But still the fact that from that position Obi-Wan couldn't outduel an Anakin whose lying on his ass and who from that position parries Obi-Wan's 2 handed strike with just 1 hand!!!
The fact that Obi-Wan still couldn't outduel him and defeat him from that position in that situation proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Obi-Wan IS NOT a superior duelist to Anakin and is most likely Inferior!
Then at 2:20 there's a kick to the face which clearly wasn't Obi-Wan's style of fighting and clearly was hard for him to take. Which is the real reaosn he just retreats to where the Landscape is all over the place, because only there does Obi-Wan have a chance to survive this fight.
The final piece of evidence that Anakin would have without a doubt won this fight on neutral ground, is when Obi-Wan talks to him at the end. The guy is so out of breath and Anakin is just fine!
This again supports the script which says in the Dooku fight Anakin only gets stronger whilst Obi-Wan and Dooku get tired. And that was a much shorter fight!
How anyone can think Obi-Wan is an equal or even superior duelist to Anakin when Anakin tooled Count Dooku is beyond me.
Yes nice theory except we know as a fact that Anakin's ability to tank force attacks exceeds Obi-Wan's by absolute multitudes!
Anakin in the CW can has tanked pretty much all of Count Dooku's efforts to use the Force on him. Yes the same Count Dooku who disposes of Obi-Wan with a mere flick of the wrist!
So try again.
Listen you keep saying he did this crap throughout the movies.. You mean he did it in 1 movie. AOTC. When he was a frustrated Padawan. That won't cut it. He's proved through the CW that HE IS Smarter than Obi-Wan. And that HE IS a scientific and tactical genius.
Being bold and rash isn't always a bad thing. What's dumb is to make a suicide move like he did. Jedi Anakin certainly isn't that stupid.
Imho switching to the Dark Side really increased his Arrogance and Rashness to a point where he did to that suicide move. But Jedi Anakin? Nah no way he'd do that move. In fact he'd probably see it coming before Obi-Wan made the jump.
Yes your problem is your ONLY using primary canon and ignoring all the secondary canon which supports it and does not in any way contradict it. Some of that canon (CW series) is created and Executive Produced by Lucas himself.
I've already pointed out how his backing off was because he couldn't beat him on even ground. In fact he very almost got killed.
I like you DP but you seem to have an issue with making concessions on stuff. So let's try this again. You made the claim that Anakin's strikes (kicks punches) were effecting Kenobi more than vice versa. Yet is that really true. So answer this very basic question...
1. Did Kenob's strike in fact keep Anakin on the ground longer than ANY strike Anakin landed on Kenobi? This clearly makes your theory that Anakin strikes were effecting Kenobi more as not really true.
Then you go... Anakin is clearly a superior fighter because Kenobi had him in a vulnerable position and couldn't finish him.. Ummm okay.. But did you forget this part..
2. DId Anakin have Kenobi in a very similar position with him in the stronger position with more leverage and not able to finish the job. See by your premise and conclusion.. kenobi is clearly the stronger fighter since Anakin couldn't finish the job in such an advantagous position. I would submit, that this is a faulty premise and conclusion, but if you still want to peddle it, we can do so and Kenobi is then superior to Anakin based on him fighting of Anakin is such a vulnerable position. Or we can go.. yeah one is indicative of the other and that isn't proof of being superior.
Next question which I still haven't got a admission or concession on...
3. Are you claiming that there is NO evidence to Anakin making rash bold arrogant moves throughout the mythos? To me there is clear evidence to this and it has nothing to do with uneven ground. Making bold rash moves can happen on any ground and at any time. So is it your claim that such an opening would never present itself to Kenobi?
4. Do you concede that being forced back doesn't equate to losing or going to lose in all situations. It can be, but it also doesn't just as easily. True or no?
5. You also mention that Anakin is far smarter than Kenobi and go out of your way to through around titles like genius etc etc. Did anakin not state that Kenobi is as wise as Yoda and as powerful as windu? Wouldn't being as wise as yoda be a clear form of intelligence and clarity and thus make you very intelligent in your own right?
Let's start there and see where we end up.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
When a fighter is tired out, it slows him down and his performance will will not be as good. Even if Obi Wan sees an opening, he must also be fast enough to exploit it. He was unable to land a fatal blow on Anakin in the beginning of the duel, so what makes you think he can at the end, when he is being tired out and slowing down. I mean, it's possible, but not very likely, unless Anakin was also slowing down (and there is no indication of that). As I said, if it weren't for Obi Wan's high ground and Anakin's stupid move, most likely Obi Wan would have eventually been far too tired to keep up his performance, and would have thus been killed. Most likely, anyway.
I understand the point you're making at it's a fair one. Yes, the more and more kenobi got tired.. the less likely he would be able to take advantage of such things. No argument there. My only point was the premise and conclusion that being forced back means you're winning and going to win is completly and totally false. We see this true in all mediums of combat and sports.
All you mention Anakin's force reserves being far far greater than Kenobi's. I'm just curious what you're basing this on.. do you have the narration that states this.. If you do that's great and would be appreciated. I've just never seen it so I'm curious.
EU material is superceded by the movies, plus its really just a matter of the phrasing. The style is designed to use a stance that protects the body, at the expense of gaining or even maintaining ground. So even if he is being pushed back, the style is designed with that in mind, as long as he continues to survive.
Yes but even if that was the case it just means Anakin ahs better cardio, not that he is the better swordsmna.
Nobody ahs proven that Anakin is a flawless swordsman and that he wouldn't eventually make a mistake even without doing something ridiculous like he did with his jump in the movie.
KT I'll get back to your other post later. Don't have time to address it all right now.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiAll you mention Anakin's force reserves being far far greater than Kenobi's. I'm just curious what you're basing this on.. do you have the narration that states this.. If you do that's great and would be appreciated. I've just never seen it so I'm curious.
During the Dooku fight it's stated in the ROTS Novel and in the ROTS Script that Anakin gets stronger as the fight goes on. The novel explains it as being due to his seemingly unlimited force reserves.
Whilst the novel clearly states how Dooku was getting tired, the Script states both Obi-Wan and Dooku were getting tired.
To add to this the end of the Anakin vs Obi-Wan fight when they're talking, Obi-Wan is seen to be panting whilst Anakin looks like he just took a stroll.
Originally posted by evry1lovesrolanYes but even if that was the case it just means Anakin ahs better cardio, not that he is the better swordsmna.
In terms of skill they're on a very similar level. But I'd give Obi-Wan the edge.
But Anakin's Force reserves make him stronger and able to last longer. Not only that but he gets stronger as the fight goes on.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNo, no he didnt.
Really??So at 1:07 to 1:15 he didn't come even close to killing Obi-Wan???