Ozy/Comedian vs Midnighter/Batman

There is as much evidence to support the theory that ozzy gained the abilities to catch the bullet from one of his science experiments, as there is to support ur theory that he got them from MA. Dr Manhattan is proof that science can give people abilities in the watchmen universe, and ozzy is the smartest man in the world, and did secret experiments/projects. All that's needed is a little suspension of disbelief right. And when has a human gained bullet catching speed and reflexes, 3 ton strength and pre-cog abilities without science or magic.

@h1a8:

Yes. He fell back down. But look at the scan again - his left side was towards Laurie, she fired, then his RIGHT side was towards her. He got spun, even if by a little bit.

At least you concede your 3 ton strength level feat, though.

And lol at your insistence on using common sense.....when you're now saying a peak human can gain pre-cog, bullet proof durability, and bullet time reflexes, from studying martial arts.

Yes, common sense indeed.

h1's trying to make Ozy out to be Iron Fist or some shit.

honestly Midnighter puts his fist through their throats and batman scolds him for killing them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thank you for admitting that having fast hand-speed and good hand-eye coordination doesn't require extensive MA training.

So now, please provide proof that Qzy has more than D list fighting skill.

It doesn't require extensive MA training. But

1. It could be gained that way and in the case of Ozy it was
2. It's impossible to catch a bullet without being a master MA.

Thus your argument is irrelevant, unless you are claiming that Ozy gained the skill of catching that bullet other than a residual of MA skill. Are you?

Originally posted by Raptor22
There is as much evidence to support the theory that ozzy gained the abilities to catch the bullet from one of his science experiments, as there is to support ur theory that he got them from MA. Dr Manhattan is proof that science can give people abilities in the watchmen universe, and ozzy is the smartest man in the world, and did secret experiments/projects. All that's needed is a little suspension of disbelief right. And when has a human gained bullet catching speed and reflexes, 3 ton strength and pre-cog abilities without science or magic.

There is 0 evidence of this. Ozy made a karate sound when he caught the bullet and moved in a MA type of way (graceful, fast, and smooth). All indicating that it was his incredible MA skill that allowed him to achieve this feat.

Remember something in fiction doesn't exists if it against the writer's intentions.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@h1a8:

Yes. He fell back down. But look at the scan again - his left side was towards Laurie, she fired, then his RIGHT side was towards her. He got spun, even if by a little bit.

At least you concede your 3 ton strength level feat, though.

And lol at your insistence on using common sense.....when you're now saying a peak human can gain pre-cog, bullet proof durability, and bullet time reflexes, from studying martial arts.

Yes, common sense indeed.

She walked around him after he fell as you can see Nite Owl in both scans (down the hall) and the positioning of the hallway.

This is comics, the place where it can happen. Hell in movies, humans can gain those abilities the same way (through MA mastery).

Originally posted by iceman24567
Midnighter solos and Batman can beat either character on team 1 so its obvious that the Watchmen get stomped

Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't require extensive MA training. But

1. It could be gained that way and in the case of Ozy it was
2. It's impossible to catch a bullet without being a master MA.

Thus your argument is irrelevant, unless you are claiming that Ozy gained the skill of catching that bullet other than a residual of MA skill. Are you?

Again, you've already admitted that having fast hand-speed and good hand-eye coordination doesn't require extensive MA training.

So now, please provide proof that Qzy has more than D list fighting skill.

lol, 10 pages.

Originally posted by Digi
lol, 10 pages.

Maybe they can enjoy their new life arguing with costumers about whether they wanted cheese on their quarter pounders.

Eventually h1 will win this argument because his shear bullheaded stupidity will give everyone else a brain aneurysm if this goes on long enough.

At this point he doesn't have a leg to stand on, since he's already admitted that extensive MA training isn't needed to have "fast hand-speed and good hand-eye coordination".

Originally posted by Silent Master
At this point he doesn't have a leg to stand on, since he's already admitted that extensive MA training isn't needed to have "fast hand-speed and good hand-eye coordination".

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, you've already admitted that having fast hand-speed and good hand-eye coordination doesn't require extensive MA training.

So now, please provide proof that Qzy has more than D list fighting skill.

He has more than D list skill because his bullet catching is a residual of mastery of martial arts. That's the proof.

Catching a bullet implies martial art skill.
Gun-slinging doesn't require martial art skill.

Catching a bullet=/=gun slinging

I'll repeat, being a good gun slinger has nothing to do with MA training but
catching a bullet has EVERYTHING to do with MA skill. In the context of the comic, Ozy caught the bullet due to his MA skill as implied by the writer.

h1a8 thesis: Catching a bullet requires a master of martial arts.

Opening: Catching a bullet requires a master of martial arts.

Body: ...

Closing: In conclusion, Catching a bullet requires a master of martial arts.

Citation: ...

h1a8, please see me after class.

Originally posted by h1a8
I rebutted this argument already, why repeat it?

He has more than D list skill because his bullet catching is a residual of mastery of martial arts. That's the proof.

Catching a bullet implies martial art skill.
Gun-slinging doesn't require martial art skill.

Catching a bullet=/=gun slinging

I'll repeat, being a good gun slinger has nothing to do with MA training but
catching a bullet has EVERYTHING to do with MA skill. In the context of the comic, Ozy caught the bullet due to his MA skill as implied by the writer.

Catching a bullet does not require martial art skill when you're looking directly at the shooter, and the shooter is a woman with no marksmanship abilities and you can see clear as day where she's aiming the gun. Just fast reflexes...like gun slinging.

You didn't refute anything, catching a bullet requires 1) Fast hand speed 2) Good hand-eye coordination and 3) Durability. and you've already admitted that extensive MA training isn't needed to have any of the above.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
h1a8 thesis: Catching a bullet requires a master of martial arts.

Opening: Catching a bullet requires a master of martial arts.

Body: ...

Closing: In conclusion, Catching a bullet requires a master of martial arts.

Citation: ...

h1a8, please see me after class.

How a real master of MA catches a bullet
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/immortalironfistannual0.jpg/

How Ozymanpussy did it
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2011/09/davegibbons.jpg

OZY IS CLEARLY IRON FIST LEVEL OF MA!!!

If you want to talk about MA, how about factoring in Batman ass blasting whoever the shit he wants? Or on the topic of "speed", how about Midnighter kicking away tank shells, Batman dodging Superman attacks multiple times, or Batman straight up taking bullets to the face all non chalant. Hell, the guy walked out and got shot on purpose in the back so he could keep the myth truth of him being immortal alive. A bullet is a non factor at the Batman level.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't refute anything, catching a bullet requires 1) Fast hand speed 2) Good hand-eye coordination and 3) Durability. and you've already admitted that extensive MA training isn't needed to have any of the above.

No, read my post again.
I said "This takes an incredible level of skill, speed, strength, and durability to achieve. And a mere human can ONLY acquired those level of things through mastery of fighting."

Lastly, stop being dense and learn the context of a story combined with suspension of disbelief. It is asinine to assume that a mere human can catch a bullet without the use of great MA skill.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't master fighter Spider-Man catch a bullet?

Please read a person's post correctly before commenting. Thank you!

I said catching a bullet from a mere human PROVES, not catching a bullet by a superhuman.