Originally posted by ODG
Read a comic, flopflop. Then again, you'll probably just run around lying about the comics again crying over a random obscure character.Or we can hear about how Magus had the same strength when he was chasing Warlock across space and tearing apart suns as when he was struggling with Rogue by the time he came to Earth.
Then again, you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge my battlezone challenge or offer to obtain a mod ruling. You know what's worse than a pathological liar? A pathological liar on the internet with no proof and no balls.
Great contribution, flopflop.
You have no arguement that's why you are resorting to name calling and running to mods or a worthless battlezone "challenge".
Originally posted by zopzopTypical flopflop, using a non-character statement to try and override on-panel feats and evidence.
Here we go again. In between New Mutants 18 and Uncanny X-Men 192, where was it ever mentioned that he was depowered? There were two other issues concerning Warlock and Magus that took place between those issues and it was never mentioned OR hinted at that he was somehow weakened or diminished by the time he showed his face in Uncanny X-Men 192.You have no arguement that's why you are resorting to name calling and running to mods or a worthless battlezone "challenge".
If I had no argument, the last thing I'd want to do is have a panel of judges convene or a mod rule on the matter. But I do have an argument. Supported by on-panel feats, evidence and common sense deduction. And you lied about the first scans and lied about the other dozen scans I posted for you.
You have nothing but your tail tucked between your legs and have been deconstructed into e-oblivion. AGAIN. You troll so hard to cover up some of your previous lies, you end up admitting you're wrong incidentally. Take up the battlezone or accept a neutral mod ruling on the matter. In the meantime, cease your lying and trolling and stop pushing this thread towards further derailment. The thread hardly requires any liars.
Originally posted by ODG
Typical flopflop, using a non-character statement to try and override on-panel feats and evidence.If I had no argument, the last thing I'd want to do is have a panel of judges convene or a mod rule on the matter. But I do have an argument. Supported by on-panel feats, evidence and common sense deduction. And you lied about the first scans and lied about the other dozen scans I posted for you.
You have nothing but your tail tucked between your legs and have been deconstructed into e-oblivion. AGAIN. You troll so hard to cover up some of your previous lies, you end up admitting you're wrong incidentally. Take up the battlezone or accept a neutral mod ruling on the matter. In the meantime, cease your lying and trolling and stop pushing this thread towards further derailment. The thread hardly requires any liars.
YOU made the claim that he was somehow diminished from his first appearance in New Mutants 19. There are TWO issues where the Warlock/Magus story continues from that initial appearance to when he he took on the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men 192. It is never mentioned or implied ANYWHERE on panel that he was weakening or weakened.
So you have NOTHING in the way of proof because from New Mutants 18, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 21, or Uncanny X-Men 192, there is NO mention of any depowerment anywhere.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy is this so hard for you?
Why is this so hard for you?YOU made the claim that he was somehow diminished from his first appearance in New Mutants 19. There are TWO issues where the Warlock/Magus story continues from that initial appearance to when he he took on the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men 192. It is never mentioned or implied ANYWHERE on panel that he was weakening or weakened.
So you have NOTHING in the way of proof because from New Mutants 18, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 21, or Uncanny X-Men 192, there is NO mention of any depowerment anywhere.
YOU made the claim that he somehow remained the same power level from his first appearance in New Mutants 19. He was the size of a Sun and tearing stars apart casually and obliterating planets in his initial appearance to when he took on the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men 192 in an infinitely smaller man-sized form and wrestled with Colossus and Rogue. It is never mentioned or implied ANYWHERE on panel that he was at the same star-ripping power levels.
So you have NOTHING in the way of proof because from New Mutants 18, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 21, or Uncanny X-Men 192, there is NO mention of any static power levels anywhere.
Good job, flopflop. Rely on what a character doesn't say, instead of on-panel feats a character performs and on-panel powers where he assimilates matter/energy to become more powerful. And still running away scared from a simple battlezone challenge or a neutral mod ruling. Should we assume you have nothing better to do than to lie on a comic book discussion forum and cover up your lies concerning fictional comic characters in a single thread? Yes, we should. Are you that scared to take these meaningless lies outside to a thread dedicated to the issue? Yes, you are.
Stop derailing the thread further with your lying. Any time you stop lying, the thread starts to get back towards discussing the thread topic. You also said you were finished pages ago. You are finished. Take the battlezone, accept a mod ruling, or leave the thread.
Originally posted by ODG
Why is this so hard for you?YOU made the claim that he somehow remained the same power level from his first appearance in New Mutants 19. He was the size of a Sun and tearing stars apart casually and obliterating planets in his initial appearance to when he took on the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men 192 in an infinitely smaller man-sized form and wrestled with Colossus and Rogue. It is never mentioned or implied ANYWHERE on panel that he was at the same star-ripping power levels.
So you have NOTHING in the way of proof because from New Mutants 18, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 21, or Uncanny X-Men 192, there is NO mention of any static power levels anywhere.
Good job, flopflop. Rely on what a character doesn't say, instead of on-panel feats a character performs and on-panel powers where he assimilates matter/energy to become more powerful. And still running away scared from a simple battlezone challenge or a neutral mod ruling. Should we assume you have nothing better to do than to lie on a comic book discussion forum and cover up your lies concerning fictional comic characters in a single thread? Yes, we should. Are you that scared to take these meaningless lies outside to a thread dedicated to the issue? Yes, you are.
Stop derailing the thread further with your lying. Any time you stop lying, the thread starts to get back towards discussing the thread topic. You also said you were finished pages ago. You are finished. Take the battlezone, accept a mod ruling, or leave the thread.
In fact, when he WAS weakening, it WAS mentioned on panel by Rogue. Prior to their fight, there was NO indication by narration or character statements that Magus was diminished.
He got wrecked by THREE X-Men and exhausted himself to the point where he had to run. This WAS mentioned on panel.
Originally posted by zopzopThe fact that it wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE on panel that he always remains at the same exact power level in anyway proves my point.
The fact that it wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE on panel that he was weakened in anyway proves my point.In fact, when he WAS weakening, it WAS mentioned on panel by Rogue. Prior to their fight, there was NO indication by narration or character statements that Magus was diminished.
He got wrecked by THREE X-Men and exhausted himself to the point where he had to run. This WAS mentioned on panel.
In fact, when he WAS fighting Rogue, he WAS struggling and wrestling with her. Prior to their fight, there was NO indication by narration or character statements that Magus had any issue tearing apart an entire star with his bare hands and flinging half of its mass at a planet with one hand disintegrating it.
His abilities as a Technarch to assimilate matter and energy to attain power have been demonstrated in EVERY single fight he's ever appeared in. This WAS mentioned on panel.
You should have stopped when your lying was exposed pages ago. You should have stopped when you said you were going to stop pages ago. You should have stopped when you were told to do so. You should have stopped the moment you realized you were too scared to take a battlezone challenge or accept a neutral mod ruling.
I've never seen anybody on KMC so scared to accept a neutral mod looking at the evidence and making a neutral decision. But then again, I've never seen such a liar on KMC obsessed with a single fictional character so much that he derails a thread that isn't even solely about the character just so he can keep lying about him.
Originally posted by ODG
The fact that it wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE on panel that he always remains at the same exact power level in anyway proves my point.In fact, when he WAS fighting Rogue, he WAS struggling and wrestling with her. Prior to their fight, there was NO indication by narration or character statements that Magus had any issue tearing apart an entire star with his bare hands and flinging half of its mass at a planet with one hand disintegrating it.
His abilities as a Technarch to assimilate matter and energy to attain power have been demonstrated in EVERY single fight he's ever appeared in. This WAS mentioned on panel.
You should have stopped when your lying was exposed pages ago. You should have stopped when you said you were going to stop pages ago. You should have stopped when you were told to do so. You should have stopped the moment you realized you were too scared to take a battlezone challenge or accept a neutral mod ruling.
I've never seen anybody on KMC so scared to accept a neutral mod looking at the evidence and making a neutral decision. But then again, I've never seen such a liar on KMC obsessed with a single fictional character so much that he derails a thread that isn't even solely about the character just so he can keep lying about him.
In the THREE issues prior to his confrontation with the X-Men, never once is it mentioned ON PANEL, that he's weakening. When he exhausts himself against the X-Men, it IS mentioned on panel.
You made the claim, yet you can't back it up so you resort to name calling and crying to mods or a useless battlezone when you can't answer a simple question. You can't answer it because NOWHERE is it mentioned or hinted at on panel. You just made it up.
If anything, if you are correct, that somehow he was diminished from New Mutants 18 (to 19 then 21) up to Uncanny X-Men 192, then that star tearing wore him out. Since NOTHING else of consequence happened involving him in that time (between NM 18,19,21 and UXM 192) on panel. This flies in the face of your "he did it casually" nonsense. Like I said, it was a herald level feat at best and gave you examples of some things heralds have done. You replied they weren't done "casually", well apparently, according to your "diminished" theory, neither was the star tearing done by Magus. He did NOTHING else aside from that star tearing feat except chase Warlock in between his first appearance NM 18 through NM 19 and 21 up till he faced the X-Men in UXM 192!
Originally posted by zopzopYou are losing your mind.
You are losing your mind.In the THREE issues prior to his confrontation with the X-Men, never once is it mentioned ON PANEL, that he's weakening. When he exhausts himself against the X-Men, it IS mentioned on panel.
You made the claim, yet you can't back it up so you resort to name calling and crying to mods or a useless battlezone when you can't answer a simple question. You can't answer it because NOWHERE is it mentioned or hinted at on panel. You just made it up.
If anything, if you are correct, that somehow he was diminished from New Mutants 18 (to 19 then 21) up to Uncanny X-Men 192, then that star tearing wore him out. Since NOTHING else of consequence happened involving him in that time (between NM 18,19,21 and UXM 192) on panel. This flies in the face of your "he did it casually" nonsense. Like I said, it was a herald level feat at best and gave you examples of some things heralds have done. You replied they weren't done "casually", well apparently, according to your "diminished" theory, neither was the star tearing done by Magus. He did NOTHING else aside from that star tearing feat except chase Warlock in between his first appearance NM 18 through NM 19 and 21 up till he faced the X-Men in UXM 192!
In the THREE issues prior to his confrontation with the X-Men, it is shown ON PANEL, that he's big and strong enough to tear apart stars and throw half their masses around at planets. When he fights against the X-Men, it IS depicted on panel that he's been reduced to a man-sized form that struggles with Colossus and Rogue.
You made the claim that he always remains at the same static power level, yet you can't back it up so you resort to lying and avoiding a neutral mod looking at this issue or fair battlezone challenges when you can't answer a simple question. You can't answer it because NOWHERE is it mentioned or hinted at on panel. You just made it up.
If anything, if you are correct, that somehow he remained at the same static power level from New Mutants 18 (to 19 then 21) up to Uncanny X-Men 192, then Rogue is easily a planet-buster. Since NOTHING else was shown when he journeyed all the way across space chasing Warlock for three issues (between NM 18,19,21 and UXM 192) off panel. This flies in the face of your "he was the same power level" nonsense. Like I said, it was beyond a herald level feat at best and you gave no examples of some things heralds have done as monumentally large with the same casual ease. You replied that it doesn't matter, well apparently, according to your theory, Rogue is now strong enough to tear apart stars and throw half their masses at planets. You have NO PROOF that he fully retained the same power levels after Warlock for three issues off-panel across the cosmos in between his first appearance NM 18 through NM 19 and 21 up till he faced the X-Men in UXM 192!
Keep lying, flopflop. Keep running scared with your tail tucked between your legs and sticking your thumb in your mouth for your mommy because you're threatened by a neutral mod ruling on the issue. Why would anybody be scared of a neutral mod weighing the evidence? Let alone a panel of trusted judges? Unless they were lying through their teeth and doing nothing but trolling about a fictional character they hate in a thread topic not even dedicated to him. You are the worst liar here on KMC. And it's obvious. I feel sorry for you.
Originally posted by ODG
You are losing your mind.In the THREE issues prior to his confrontation with the X-Men, it is shown ON PANEL, that he's big and strong enough to tear apart stars and throw half their masses around at planets. When he fights against the X-Men, it IS depicted on panel that he's been reduced to a man-sized form that struggles with Colossus and Rogue.
You made the claim that he always remains at the same static power level, yet you can't back it up so you resort to lying and avoiding a neutral mod looking at this issue or fair battlezone challenges when you can't answer a simple question. You can't answer it because NOWHERE is it mentioned or hinted at on panel. You just made it up.
If anything, if you are correct, that somehow he remained at the same static power level from New Mutants 18 (to 19 then 21) up to Uncanny X-Men 192, then Rogue is easily a planet-buster. Since NOTHING else was shown when he journeyed all the way across space chasing Warlock for three issues (between NM 18,19,21 and UXM 192) off panel. This flies in the face of your "he was the same power level" nonsense. Like I said, it was beyond a herald level feat at best and you gave no examples of some things heralds have done as monumentally large with the same casual ease. You replied that it doesn't matter, well apparently, according to your theory, Rogue is now strong enough to tear apart stars and throw half their masses at planets. You have NO PROOF that he fully retained the same power levels after Warlock for three issues off-panel across the cosmos in between his first appearance NM 18 through NM 19 and 21 up till he faced the X-Men in UXM 192!
Either-
a) I'm right and he was never diminished from NM 18/19/21 up till he fought the X-Men in UXM 192 since it was never stated on panel anywhere in those four issues. There were NO other issues he appeared in or was mentioned in aside from NM 18/19/21. The very next time he's seen or heard from is UXM 192. No hint or anything else was shown or mentioned on panel that he was somehow weakened.
OR
b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.
^ Keep up the deconstruction of your lies? Look who keeps ignoring that at one point during his chase of Warlock, he was bigger than a star and tearing suns in half and chucking half its mass at planets. Then at another point several issues later where we don't see what else has happened during his chase across the cosmos, he's now reduced to the size of a man and wrestling with Rogue.
Of course, you with you logic is now trying to convince us that Rogue is star+ in strength because it's never shown he lost any power. Good job, flopflop. 👆
Using what you didn't see during his long chase across the cosmos, and using what nobody said during the issues, to conclude he remained at the same static power level. You can't rely on any actual feats and anything actually depicted on-panel because it all proves you wrong. Instead, you'll just lie about it all and pretend that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. And you're getting dumber with every post you make. You're like Doomsday, except in reverse. Get some common sense and take up the battlezone challenge or mod ruling or shut up.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Keep up the deconstruction of your lies? Look who keeps ignoring that at one point during his chase of Warlock, he was bigger than a star and tearing suns in half and chucking half its mass at planets. Then at another point several issues later where we don't see what else has happened during his chase across the cosmos, he's now reduced to the size of a man and wrestling with Rogue.Of course, you with you logic is now trying to convince us that Rogue is star+ in strength because it's never shown he lost any power. Good job, flopflop. 👆
Using what you didn't see during his long chase across the cosmos, and using what nobody said during the issues, to conclude he remained at the same static power level. You can't rely on any actual feats and anything actually depicted on-panel because it all proves you wrong. Instead, you'll just lie about it all and pretend that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. And you're getting dumber with every post you make. You're like Doomsday, except in reverse. Get some common sense and take up the battlezone challenge or mod ruling or shut up.
Which is it, these are the ONLY two options based on what's been shown on panel (or in your case, hasn't been shown on panel but you made it up anyway) :
Either-
a) I'm right and he was never diminished from NM 18/19/21 up till he fought the X-Men in UXM 192 since it was never stated on panel anywhere in those four issues. There were NO other issues he appeared in or was mentioned in aside from NM 18/19/21. The very next time he's seen or heard from is UXM 192. No hint or anything else was shown or mentioned on panel that he was somehow weakened.OR
b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.
Originally posted by zopzopYou have no proof that nothing else happened off-panel for three issues. So why would I take your ridiculous and idiotic assumption at face value? Prove all they did was travel.
Which is it, these are the ONLY two options based on what's been shown on panel (or in your case, hasn't been shown on panel but you made it up anyway) :
Because I've got proof that Magus was at a monumentally huge power level that allowed him to grow to bigger than the Sun and casually tear apart stars and proof that Magus at the tail-end of his chase across the cosmos, weakened down to a man-sized form that wrestled with Rogue.
And you're still running away from a battlezone challenge and a neutral mod ruling. Why would ANYBODY who thinks they have a legitimate argument be afraid of a neutral mod ruling? We all know the answer to that. Because you've been lying and trolling and lowballing for pages and have nothing else to say.
Fine job trying to rely on what isn't shown off-panel and what isn't stated by characters to try and override what is shown on-panel and what powers are depicted by characters to have.
Originally posted by Mindset
Is useless.But what does that have to do with this thread?
You're useless biscuits
I haven't been reading this seemingly endless argument between ODG and zopzop, but if experience serves me well and they are discussing cosmic stuff I guess it's safe to say zopzop is wrong.
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Originally posted by BentleyBasically, this is the argument:
You're useless biscuitsI haven't been reading this seemingly endless argument between ODG and zopzop, but if experience serves me well and they are discussing cosmic stuff I guess it's safe to say zopzop is wrong.
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Me: "Magus at full power is really impressive."
zopzop: "He's not impressive, he got beat up by Rogue, Nightcrawler and Colossus."
Me: "Stop trying to lowball. That was Magus at his weakest, most diminished form."
zopzop: "I'm not lowballing. He was never depowered."
Me: "What? Of course he was. In one instance, he's bigger than stars and tearing apart suns and chucking em at planets, but on Earth he was just man-sized and wrestling Rogue."
zopzop: "So you have zero proof he was depowered since it was never said. Only his size changed, nothing else."
Me: "..."
over
It's hard to think of the proper adverb to accompany the level of stupid that is. Completely stupid? Spectacularly stupid? Horrifically stupid? I don't think any adverb would do it justice. Not when he's been trying to push the same argument for six pages.