The Most Powerful order of Light Side Force Sensitives.

Buddy there is no reason for me to try to P.R.O.V.E anything to you since you arent someone important enough to P.R.O.V.E. something to.

Since you did or didnt read the Zeison Sha's Biography whatever you say in the Future is Opinionated.

im not lazy its just finding 1 book among many of the Other Books and Mangas i have Stored is a hard Task, Suffice it to say Trying to Find that 1 Book is like going through a Library of Unlabeled Books, a waste of time.

The Zeison Sha's Initiates were Telekineticly Stronger then more then Half of the Jedi Order. Many Jedi Which = Most Jedi Since its Above 50%. Which includes Jedi Masters Jedi Knights and Jedi and Padawans

"The Zeison Sha were first created in the Star Wars Roleplaying Game guidebook Hero's Guide, written by Rodney Thompson and J.D. Wiker in 2003. As of yet, no source has described an individual member of the Zeison Sha. "

Sounds like a band of nobodies to me.

No you confuse The Zeison Sha's Telekinetic and Force Shields, with the Jedi's And Sith's Capabilities to Re-direct Spiritual/Physical Attacks with the Force, Such as Intercepting a force Puch with one of their own,

I do not. Cade and Nomi and Azard made visible telekinetic force spheres. They did not simply cancel out opposing abilities with some of their own in the instances I'm talking about.

The Zeison Sha's Initiates were Telekineticly Stronger then more then Half of the Jedi Order. Many Jedi Which = Most Jedi Since its Above 50%. Which includes Jedi Masters Jedi Knights and Jedi and Padawans

Because... they're specialists in telekinesis! They spend more time on it!

Conversely, they're worse than most Jedi in non-telekinetic areas because they spend less time on that.

Give up on other areas to focus on one.

Nothing says overall higher, just more TK focused. And even the technique you say makes them so great, the telekinetic shields, are ones that multiple other strong Jedi and Sith possess.

Originally posted by Q99
I do not. Cade and Nomi and Azard made visible telekinetic force spheres. They did not simply cancel out opposing abilities with some of their own in the instances I'm talking about.

Because... they're specialists in telekinesis! They spend more time on it!

Conversely, they're worse than most Jedi in non-telekinetic areas because they spend less time on that.

Give up on other areas to focus on one.

Nothing says overall higher, just more TK focused. And even the technique you say makes them so great, the telekinetic shields, are ones that multiple other strong Jedi and Sith possess.

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
You shouldn't be on these forums if you're too lazy to back up your claims to anyone here.

They have a article on wookiepedia, I read it. But nothing really back up your claims that they were "TEH BESTZ!111!"

Yet you use that time to post here, nice time management skills yo.

Again, what proves this? There's nothing to prove this. It's even worse when there's no individual to show what the group is truly capable of feat wise, and not the typical "XX GROUP IS THIS AND DOES THAT" comment.

"The Zeison Sha were first created in the Star Wars Roleplaying Game guidebook Hero's Guide, written by Rodney Thompson and J.D. Wiker in 2003. As of yet, no source has described an individual member of the Zeison Sha. "

Sounds like a band of nobodies to me.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
And this is the BIGGEST opinionated Statement i Have ever Witnessed. Dont you Dare attempt to Argue The Zeison Sha's Capabilities Comparison to the J.E.D.I's. its Not Favoritism. Unless you Know more About Other Force Organizations Other then The J.E.D.I and S.I.T.H DONT ATTEMPT to Contradict this thread, M.O.V.E A.L.O.N.G And Many= Half, The Zeison Sha's Initiates were Telekineticly Stronger then more then Half of the Jedi Order. Many Jedi Which = Most Jedi Since its Above 50%. Which includes Jedi Masters Jedi Knights and Jedi and Padawans

Anyways, yes, your entire argument is favoritism. Especially stating that the Zeishon Sha are more capable at EVERYTHING than the Jedi, just because one guy said that they are better at TK.

Really, you have no way to refute the fact that all the notable people come from the Jedi one way or another (until the RoT, when they can be purely Sith)

I would also like to know your source for all this.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Since the J.E.D.I and S.I.T.H can make Telekinetic/Force Sheilds. How come During the Great Jedi Purge Ordered by Darth Sidious. the Jedi Masters and Knights were put into near Extinction by Regular Clone Troopers?

Because they were shot in the back and caught off guard, largely.

Also, the ability is not invincible. Enough fire can overcome it, and any force ability takes concentration and tires the user to use. There is a reason the Zeison Sha use armor, after all, and it is not just for looks.

I will also note only some Zeison Sha had the ability, not all are capable and many had to resort to TK'ing rocks and the like to block blaster bolts instead.

Bodo Baas, a Jedi who visited them, specifically noted their telekinetic skill "lend themselves well to attack more than defense," in his opinion (in the Zeison Sha section of The Essential Guide to the Force).

So no, they are not the invincible defensive paragons you imagine them, as was specifically noted in an official book.

The J.E.D.I cant make Physical Sheilds made of the F.O.R.C.E or T.E.L.E.K.I.N.E.T.I.C to Defend themselfs from Force Offensive Attacks without attempt,

One, why are you capitalizing stuff and putting periods in there?

Two, you now know that's a lie.

Yet When Darth Vader Ordered a Fleet of Imperial Soldiers, Elite Imperial Commandos and Jedi Hunters to Go to Yannibar to Persecute The Zeison Sha, The Zeison Sha Suffered NO Casualties Both Zeison Sha Warriors and Zeison Sha Initates and Ultimately Pushed Back the Imperial Invaders.

Ah, I note you exaggerate here.

For one thing, the Empire occupied Yanibar up to and including the time of the rebellion, meaning they stayed there for decades.

Nor were there specifically no casualties.

It was also noted that Zeison Sha who left Yanibar did so under cover, for fear of Imperial Jedi Hunders.

Ha! yeah if anyone shouldnt be on these Foums that would be you. Because if you N.E.E.D Literary Evidence in the From of Movies Or the Creator's Statement to Understand and Confirm if Something is Factual or Not. thats saying you dont have your Own Perception and Lacking Understanding From your Viewpoint.

What, seriously?

Of course people lack understanding if you present no evidence. You seriously expect people to just magically get knowledge of something with no source?

Conversely, I will note that you've said stuff wrong even when prevented with information, like incorrectly saying Jedi and Sith don't have the ability. If you're going to criticize people for not knowing stuff without evidence, maybe you should work on not getting stuff wrong even when you have it.

So, word of advice: In forums, you need proof. You're getting stuff wrong here, and also if other people request information, they need sources, they aren't just going to magic the information into their heads because that's just silly.

Originally posted by Pwned
Considering how I frequent the EU forum, I would hope I know something about the other Force Orders.

Anyways, yes, your entire argument is favoritism. Especially stating that the Zeishon Sha are more capable at EVERYTHING than the Jedi, just because one guy said that they are better at TK.

Really, you have no way to refute the fact that all the notable people come from the Jedi one way or another (until the RoT, when they can be purely Sith)

I would also like to know your source for all this.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Nope the entire arguement is based on a Factual Capabilities Comparison. and No Not Every Notable person Came from the J.E.D.I since they werent the First Force Organization. the First and Most Flawed Force Organization was the Jal Shey founded before 25,779 BBY, the Jedi was founded in 25,793. The Jedi Order wanted to Perceive the Force from a Spiritual Viewpoint Rather Then a Intellectual one, Such as Demonstrated by The Jal Shey. and Sources reffering to the Zeison Sha Cannon and Capabilities? Hero's Guide. Jedi vs Sith the Essential Guide to the Force. Knights Of The Old Republic Campaign guide. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. and the Jedi Academy Training Manual. and 1 Last Thing, if you are going to attempt to Contradict this thread at least Learn how to Spell Zeison Sha, ( Not Zeishon Sha Degenerate)

Give us actual quotes from said sources please.

Originally posted by Q99
Because they were shot in the back and caught off guard, largely.

Also, the ability is not invincible. Enough fire can overcome it, and any force ability takes concentration and tires the user to use. There is a reason the Zeison Sha use armor, after all, and it is not just for looks.

I will also note only some Zeison Sha had the ability, not all are capable and many had to resort to TK'ing rocks and the like to block blaster bolts instead.

Bodo Baas, a Jedi who visited them, specifically noted their telekinetic skill "lend themselves well to attack more than defense," in his opinion (in the Zeison Sha section of The Essential Guide to the Force).

So no, they are not the invincible defensive paragons you imagine them, as was specifically noted in an official book.

One, why are you capitalizing stuff and putting periods in there?

Two, you now know that's a lie.

Ah, I note you exaggerate here.

For one thing, the Empire occupied Yanibar up to and including the time of the rebellion, meaning they stayed there for decades.

Nor were there specifically no casualties.

It was also noted that Zeison Sha who left Yanibar did so under cover, for fear of Imperial Jedi Hunders.

What, seriously?

Of course people lack understanding if you present no evidence. You seriously expect people to just magically get knowledge of something with no source?

Conversely, I will note that you've said stuff wrong even when prevented with information, like incorrectly saying Jedi and Sith don't have the ability. If you're going to criticize people for not knowing stuff without evidence, maybe you should work on not getting stuff wrong even when you have it.

So, word of advice: In forums, you need proof. You're getting stuff wrong here, and also if other people request information, they need sources, they aren't just going to magic the information into their heads because that's just silly.

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
Give us actual quotes from said sources please.

if you want the Exact Qoute Read it for Yourself, to Gain The Knowledge, and UNDERSTANDING for yourself to avoid a future Mix Up.

Or you could just post the direct quote like I did and everyone else does.

Someone who does not post direct quotes is very likely to be misremembering or just wrong.

And Yes i did say People Lack Understanding because even if "Evidence" was Presented on the Table, if you are arguing with a "Closed Minded" Person No Matter what evidence you give that person he will keep his opinion no matter if he's Right or Wrong Nothing gets Through to Him( A.K.A Brick wall )

And I presented evidence to you of a direct quote of someone who knew the Zeison Sha personally saying their defense wasn't that great, and you ignored it.

You're just describing yourself there. Other people here are willing to listen to evidence, you're the only one ignoring things. You just decided to call everyone else close minded because you know very well that's what you are and that you can't actually support a debate with evidence.

You haven't proven they have invincible shields, you've just asserted it, and I have provided evidence to the contrary with a direct quote and source.

Bodo Baas said the Zeison Sha telekinetic skill "lend themselves well to attack more than defense," (in the Zeison Sha section of The Essential Guide to the Force) in case you missed it. Direct exact quote.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Nope the entire arguement is based on a Factual Capabilities Comparison. and No Not Every Notable person Came from the J.E.D.I since they werent the First Force Organization. the First and Most Flawed Force Organization was the Jal Shey founded before 25,779 BBY, the Jedi was founded in 25,793)

In that the BBY years are a countdown. Therefore, the Jedi were the first.

And yes, the notables of every era came from Jedi/Sith. I have never heard of a great Zeison Sha, Jal Shey, Matuki, Jensaarai, etc. Person. They never even really stepped up to the galactic stage like the Jedi and Sith did.

Originally posted by Pwned
You realize that you contradicted yourself here, correct? 25,793 would comebefore 25,779 in the BBY/ABY calender. It works like B.C./A.D. (Or B.C.E./C.E if you prefer)

In that the BBY years are a countdown. Therefore, the Jedi were the first.

And yes, the notables of every era came from Jedi/Sith. I have never heard of a great Zeison Sha, Jal Shey, Matuki, Jensaarai, etc. Person. They never even really stepped up to the galactic stage like the Jedi and Sith did.

Originally posted by Q99
Or you could just post the direct quote like I did and everyone else does.

Someone who does not post direct quotes is very likely to be misremembering or just wrong.

And I presented evidence to you of a direct quote of someone who knew the Zeison Sha personally saying their defense wasn't that great, and you ignored it.

You're just describing yourself there. Other people here are willing to listen to evidence, you're the only one ignoring things. You just decided to call everyone else close minded because you know very well that's what you are and that you can't actually support a debate with evidence.

You haven't proven they have invincible shields, you've just asserted it, and I have provided evidence to the contrary with a direct quote and source.

Bodo Baas said the Zeison Sha telekinetic skill "lend themselves well to attack more than defense," (in the Zeison Sha section of The Essential Guide to the Force) in case you missed it. Direct exact quote.

Originally posted by Pwned
They never even really stepped up to the galactic stage like the Jedi and Sith did.

This, if they're so damn great, how come we've never seen a individual rise from said group. Again, they sound like a band of red shirts to me.

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
This, if they're so damn great, how come we've never seen a individual rise from said group. Again, they sound like a band of red shirts to me.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
I didnt Ignore your Statement' because if i did i wouldnt have replied.

You replied but didn't have a sufficient answer for the quote. You dodged it.

The natural conclusion is you knew it undercut your point, so you tried to avoid it.

and Yes what you say about the Bodo Baas's Quote is True, but the Only thing about that is, there was no Discription of what Zeison Sha Ranks were Fighting against each other in a Test of Demonstration. The Zeison Sha Warriors Were Unmatched in Telekinesis and Strong Enough to Make Telekinetic Sheilds.

Bodo knew about the shields and their powerful telekinesis and still said they had problems with defense.

This directly contradicts your view on their unbeatability.

Also, all that was said was they were stronger than most Jedi. Not that they were unmatched. Not that Jedi and Sith who also were powerful enough with TK to make telekinetic shields weren't just as strong.

Most Jedi and Sith can't pull that off, after all, so if a lot of them can, that does mean they do indeed have a higher average. On average, they're better at TK. That doesn't mean that other Jedi and Sith can't also be exceptionally above average, and in fact we know quite a few who are, like Master Thon, who was known for fighting with a TK sphere up for protection.

And its Common Logic that dictates that the Human/Sentient Brain has Self Sustaining Energy/Telekinetic Energy. which means that the Zeison Sha Warriors Telekinetic energy did not exhaust itself quickly nor at a normal pace.

Wow, you just totally made that up entirely on your own 😄 No book says anything remotely like that. You use the phrase 'common logic' but what you really meant is 'I made it up and called it logic'.

If true, that'd also apply to Jedi and Sith TK, btw, since they all use telekinetic energy the same way.

Originally posted by Q99
You replied but didn't have a sufficient answer for the quote. You dodged it.

The natural conclusion is you knew it undercut your point, so you tried to avoid it.

Bodo knew about the shields and their powerful telekinesis and still said they had problems with defense.

This directly contradicts your view on their unbeatability.

Also, all that was said was they were stronger than most Jedi. Not that they were unmatched. Not that Jedi and Sith who also were powerful enough with TK to make telekinetic shields weren't just as strong.

Most Jedi and Sith can't pull that off, after all, so if a lot of them can, that does mean they do indeed have a higher average. On average, they're better at TK. That doesn't mean that other Jedi and Sith can't also be exceptionally above average, and in fact we know quite a few who are, like Master Thon, who was known for fighting with a TK sphere up for protection.

Wow, you just totally made that up entirely on your own 😄 No book says anything remotely like that. You use the phrase 'common logic' but what you really meant is 'I made it up and called it logic'.

If true, that'd also apply to Jedi and Sith TK, btw, since they all use telekinetic energy the same way.

Why do you post periods in between words?

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
Why do you post periods in between words?