Originally posted by Q99Everything i have said is proof conserning the Zeison Sha's telekinetic abilities and superiority compared to the Jedi.
Nat Skywalker and T'ra Saa channeled the entire output of an exploding capital ship reactor into a beam of destruction to pierce through an enemy fleet.Probably until you provide quotes/proof, which you have failed to do.
You're going beyond the text you've provided.
Yea, and there were only 50-60 Matukai to begin with, smaller than the ZS, and they didn't hide out on a tough planet out in wild space, they were nomads who traveled through Republic/Empire space.
If you say the Zeison Sha are stronger than the Matukai, sure. But the Matukai are much smaller and weaker than the Jedi order to begin with.
It never said they didn't suffer casualties. You are taking a massive, unsupported leap from "they survived" to "every last one of them survived."
Nothing said their casualties were light or none. The Matukai had a few survive, out of 50-60, so, what, 95%+ casualties? That's really heavy. It's a miracle they survived despite that.
The Zeison Sha are more numerous to begin with. They could've had dozens of casualties, say, 10-30% casualties. That'd do far better than the Matukai, hence the difference in description, but still, nothing said no casualties. If there was no casualties, it'd probably be mentioned, but it didn't.
There's a reason their survival is described as 'enduring' the Imperial occupation and 'surviving' it, rather than 'fighting off with no casualties.
Wookiepedia also said they survived in large part because they avoided Vader and his Jedi Hunters:
"They survived attempts during the Great Jedi Purge to stamp them out, avoiding Darth Vader and other Jedi hunters. "
I.e. they didn't face the big guns in the purge like the Jedi did, or the entire Clone Army. They weren't the priority targets.
Also of note, despite actively resisting, they didn't force the Empire off their sole planet. They survived and outlasted, they didn't beat all comers.
"Those Zeison Sha who left Yanibar after it gained access to interstellar travel did so incognito for fear of the Jedi, and later Imperial Jedi hunters. The port and outpost remained intact as late as the Galactic Civil War, and the Empire positioned troops on Yanibar, including speeder bikes and scout troopers. This Imperial presence was resisted by the Zeison Sha. The colonists on Yanibar and their Zeison Sha protectors endured the Galactic Civil War." -Article on Yanibar
Incorrect. I want proof. A lot of the stuff you're saying about their abilities being better or different than Jedi with the same abilities doesn't seem to come from anywhere.
Note I've also never said they aren't very strong in telekinesis. I'm just noting that they aren't said to work any different than other force user's TK, just that they focus on training it more.
And nothing said their specialization in TK makes them overall more powerful either, that's also coming from you, and not any quote.
And here's where you contradicted yourself for the 5th time. Who said that the Zeison Sha were more in number then the Matukai? because it wasn't specifically said that the Zeison Sha were more or alot more larger in number then the Matukai for you to even make that statement and yet you are going against me telling me how i should always give literate quotes and other evidence when you aren't even following your the example you attempted to set to me.
And No the Zeison Sha Survived because they resisted the imperial occupation. meaning that they fought off and killed the imperial troops that were sent in attempt to subjugate the Zeison Sha for Imperial persecution or perge. even though with those small victories it still wasn't enough to forcefully drive the empire off their planet. The empire eventually left the planet, when they seen no point in sending more troops to their death in attempt to perge and subject imperial persecution on a small ancient force organization. (Basically it was a holdout situation conserning the Zeison Sha's war on Yanibar) Every ship and every trooper that went near their caves and starport went down accordingly, so in other words yes they did endure imperial control and fought them off strategically and as a result they all Survived.
Like i said before no 1 book will EVER say everything literaly conserning the Zeison Sha as i have. Thats the EVIDENCE you wanted for the longest and most likely will never get.
Yes and there's a reason why it also said. That after the Imperial fleets left Yanibar, they searched of other force using sects in hopes to establish imperial persecution. (Due to the Zeison Sha not being subjectible for Imperial persecution) wookieepedia also meant After the empire's influence left Yanibar. The Zeison Sha initiates who left yanibar, did so for fear of their families being killed by imperial jedi hunters and fearing the hunters themselfs and fearing the wrath Darth Vader. the majority of Zeison Sha Warriors and the elite warriors stayed on Yanibar and continued to recruit and train new other initiates in the Sha Kalan.
The entire clone army didn't attack any single jedi temple. They scattered their forces and effectively killed 97% of the Jedi on all of their worlds in different ways. A imperial jedi perge is exactly what it is. A imperial PERGE of any force order. The Zeison Sha and most other force orders faced the very same threat that the jedi stood against, 1 that the empire posed, which includes the threats of Speeder bikes assault carriers & assault ships and tanks. but the Zeison Sha fought the empire off strategically on their own territories and as a result they all survived.
All Zeison Sha ranks were each known for things individually. the Zeison Sha Initiates were known for their resourcefulness and quick thinking even in worse case scenarios and bad situations. The Zeison Sha Warriors were known to be powerful combatants and unmatched in telekinetic powers. And the few Zeison Sha Elite Warriors were known to be unparalleled in telekinetic force powers & telekinesis and were prime examples to the zeison sha warriors. they all came together and fought off the empire and all survived as the finale result.
Originally posted by -kV-While that is true. who the Zeison Sha produced notably is unknown for the time being. but they have produced few Zeison Sha Elite warriors. Elite Warriors that are unparalleled in Telekinesis and Telekinetic force powers and stand as a prime example to the Zeison Sha Warriors. It may not be much of a answer for right now. But that is the only Answer that can be given at this time.
The Jedi Order produced Revan, Satele Shan, Hero of Tython, Yoda, Mace, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke Skywalker, Kyle Katarn, and Kyp Durron to name a few.Who did the Zeison Sha produce?
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
While that is true. who the Zeison Sha produced notably is unknown for the time being. but they have produced few Zeison Sha Elite warriors. Elite Warriors that are unparalleled in Telekinesis and Telekinetic force powers and stand as a prime example to the Zeison Sha Warriors. It may not be much of a answer for right now. But that is the only Answer that can be given at this time.
Which more or less translates to you having no answer..
* Zeison Sha have not produced anybody notable, much less an entire group of individuals.
* Simply put, the Jedi Order produced the most powerful Light Side Force sensitives in the entire history of the Universe. The upper echelon of the Jedi Order would wipe the floor out of these "Elite Warriors."
I'll give it to you that the Zeison Sha are undoubtedly a force to be reckoned with, but to claim that they are the most powerful Light Side of the Force order, when they haven't produced anybody of the caliber of the individuals I have mentioned earlier, is a testament to their inferiority to the Jedi.
Originally posted by -kV-You are right about me having no answer, because there haven't been any notables shown to answer your question. But i said the Zeison Sha are the most powerful order of Light Side Force Sensitives for a reason. The Force works in all aspects of capabilities and not just what the jedi persevere in (The Spiritual). The Jedi have produced the Most powerful Spiritual users through the force. The Zeison Sha have produced the Most powerful Telekinetic users through the force. And the Matukai have produced the Most powerful physical beings through the force.
Which more or less translates to you having no answer..* Zeison Sha have not produced anybody notable, much less an entire group of individuals.
* Simply put, the Jedi Order produced the most powerful Light Side Force sensitives in the entire history of the Universe. The upper echelon of the Jedi Order would wipe the floor out of these "Elite Warriors."I'll give it to you that the Zeison Sha are undoubtedly a force to be reckoned with, but to claim that they are the most powerful Light Side of the Force order, when they haven't produced anybody of the caliber of the individuals I have mentioned earlier, is a testament to their inferiority to the Jedi.
The average Zeison sha warriors already had surpassed most Sith lords and Jedi masters on average in offensive & defensive capabilities using the mind. the Zeison Sha warriors were already capable of pulling down ships and lifting the most heavy of objects with minimum effort. The Zeison Sha warrior's telekinetic skill to bring down ships was already proven by Khem Val. He quoted that Tulak hord would bring ships the size of the endar spire with ease, stating that he was a master of Telekinesis. And the Average Zeison Sha warriors were already known masters in telekinesis. (The 1st stage of using the mind) And the average Zeison Sha warriors were capable of creating a indestructible telekinetic shield, one that surrounded the entire outer surface of the body without leaving any opening in defense to exploit. Similar to the quality of armor but superior. A feat proven during the Great Jedi perge when it was said that the Zeison Sha survived the empire's attempts to stamp them out. (meaning they survived what the jedi council could not in Star Wars Episode III revenge of the Sith) Provided with the fact that the Zeison Sha were at the technological disadvantage during the war. (I will say this again, the Zeison Sha do NOT use the Force barriers and force spheres that the Notable Jedi & Sith have been using, if so then they would have been listed in the force order affiliations that use the basic technique. But with no surprise they weren't listed)
And you say that the Jedi could kill the Zeison Sha's Elite Warriors? ha! right, The average Zeison Sha warrior surpasses most jedi alone, being unmatched in telekinetic force powers. And the Zeison Sha Elite Warriors were unparalleled in Telekinesis & Telekinetic force powers, they stood as prime examples to the already unmatched Zeison Sha warriors. No matter what jedi and their power they would all fall the same in a one on one getting their body's crushed by the mind of a Zeison Sha elite Warrior. that would include. (Luke Skywalker) (Obi Wan Kenobi) (General Hoth) (the Hero of Tython) (Nomi Sunrider) (Arca Jeth) (Sylvar) or even Revan.
There was a reason why Darth Traya said. (There are techniques within the force against which there is NO defense) The Zeison Sha elite warriors are apart of that reason telekineticly. Which is why they haven't had any notables shown for now.
You are right about me having no answer, because there haven't been any notables shown to answer your question. But i said the Zeison Sha are the most powerful order of Light Side Force Sensitives for a reason.
Except you're working backwards. You're assuming they're the most powerful, then giving them powers based on that assumption.
You aren't looking at what they're actually said to do (much less than you give them credit for) and then judging their power based on that.
The Force works in all aspects of capabilities and not just what the jedi persevere in (The Spiritual). The Jedi have produced the Most powerful Spiritual users through the force.
Except the Jedi sometimes heavily train in the physical side too. Cade Skywalker doesn't particular care about the spiritual side, he'll just toss spaceships at you.
And plenty of Sith even more-so.
Or in other words, this is complete BS on your part. You're making up an unstated weakness of the Jedi because you want the ZS to be stronger. You can't just make up weaknesses to get the answer you want.
The Zeison Sha have produced the Most powerful Telekinetic users through the force.
Nope, they may on average has better, but nothing says the *most* powerful telekinetic is a ZS.
And the Matukai have produced the Most powerful physical beings through the force.
Nope, nothing says that either.
Training in something and focusing on it does not mean others are bad, or that members of other orders won't also focus on it.
You're just assuming the fact that they specialize means they're the best, when the feats show Jedi and Sith do the same things, because individual Jedi and Sith and sub-groups of them do specialize as well.
The average Zeison sha warriors already had surpassed most Sith lords and Jedi masters on average in offensive & defensive capabilities using the mind.
Nothing says that either. It was said their ability surpasses that of 'many' Jedi. Meaning, not all Jedi, meaning other Jedi surpass them. 'Many Jedi' to 'Most Masters' is a leap you're making unsupported without evidence. Being stronger in an area than many knights doesn't make one stronger than most masters, let alone Sith Lords.
You aren't allowed to just make stuff up. It's dishonest.
(I will say this again, the Zeison Sha do NOT use the Force barriers and force spheres that the Notable Jedi & Sith have been using, if so then they would have been listed in the force order affiliations that use the basic technique. But with no surprise they weren't listed)
What are you talking about? Wookiepedia lists them as users of the telekinetic shield technique.
And you say that the Jedi could kill the Zeison Sha's Elite Warriors?
Elite Jedi certainly could.
ha! right, The average Zeison Sha warrior surpasses most jedi alone, being unmatched in telekinetic force powers.
The average Zeison Sha surpasses most Jedi in telekinesis, while being weaker in areas like precognition and melee.
It is specifically noted that the ZS are more suited for attack than defense; i.e. their defense is weak.
There was a reason why Darth Traya said. (There are techniques within the force against which there is NO defense) The Zeison Sha elite warriors are apart of that reason telekineticly. Which is why they haven't had any notables shown for now.
Nope! Precisely nothing says this.
Stop making stuff up, lies are unconvincing.
Originally posted by Q99there are no assumptions conserning the Zeison Sha nor the Matukai. I go by facts & common sense, and both facts & common sense dictates that the Zeison Sha are the most powerful force order in Telekinesis and other telekinetic force powers (The average Zeison Sha warriors were already capable of lifting up & destroying the most heavy of objects with minimum effort using telekinesis, provided that the zeison sha warrior rank were capable of pulling down ships in all sizes on average with minimum effort) also being known as survivalist, (When you have a order that are known for their survival skills that means they are known for rarely suffering casualties) before during and after war times, hence the word SURVIVAL. You say a jedi knight could kill a zeison sha elite warrior? (Now that right there is a contradictive/biased statement, because a Zeison Sha elite warrior is unparalelled in telekinesis and other telekinetic force powers basically the zeison sha elite warriors have no milestone nor another match in telekinetic powers against any other order outside of their's). And saying that a jedi knight A.K.A jedi elite could kill a zeison sha elite warrior is purely opinionated. With all the reason said that means even though they are the most powerful order they still are balanced off from the jedi due to some handicaps, 1 of them being technologically disadvantaged provided with being low in number to counterbalance them from the main orders (due to the harsh conditions of their planet)
Except you're working backwards. You're assuming they're the most powerful, then giving them powers based on that assumption.You aren't looking at what they're actually said to do (much less than you give them credit for) and then judging their power based on that.
Except the Jedi sometimes heavily train in the physical side too. Cade Skywalker doesn't particular care about the spiritual side, he'll just toss spaceships at you.
And plenty of Sith even more-so.
Or in other words, this is complete BS on your part. You're making up an unstated weakness of the Jedi because you want the ZS to be stronger. You can't just make up weaknesses to get the answer you want.
Nope, they may on average has better, but nothing says the *most* powerful telekinetic is a ZS.
Nope, nothing says that either.
Training in something and focusing on it does not mean others are bad, or that members of other orders won't also focus on it.
You're just assuming the fact that they specialize means they're the best, when the feats show Jedi and Sith do the same things, because individual Jedi and Sith and sub-groups of them do specialize as well.
Nothing says that either. It was said their ability surpasses that of 'many' Jedi. Meaning, not all Jedi, meaning other Jedi surpass them. 'Many Jedi' to 'Most Masters' is a leap you're making unsupported without evidence. Being stronger in an area than many knights doesn't make one stronger than most masters, let alone Sith Lords.
You aren't allowed to just make stuff up. It's dishonest.
What are you talking about? Wookiepedia lists them as users of the telekinetic shield technique.
Elite Jedi certainly could.
The average Zeison Sha surpasses most Jedi in telekinesis, while being weaker in areas like precognition and melee.
It is specifically noted that the ZS are more suited for attack than defense; i.e. their defense is weak.
Nope! Precisely nothing says this.
Stop making stuff up, lies are unconvincing.
The jedi are NOT superior nor focuses on the physical body (a lightsaber is not a true measure of physical strength since its a weapon that cuts through most known alloys surfaces and ship plating with minimum effort) Matukai are the most powerful order physically, and there 2 reasons out of 3 that backs that up. Reason number 1 is they are known as the galaxys best martial artists. Reason number 2 is when a Matukai fought a jedi gave his observation, he described a Matukai adept's fighting skills as a whirlwind of blades (meaning that their physical attacks were too fast for the eye to keep track of while their strength were just as efficient as their speed). Even a notable jedi (Theme Cerulian) gave his observation conserning a Matukai Adept based from his experience, he said (I fought a Matukai once NEVER AGAIN!) and he even put his statement in The Jedi Path A manual for students of the force. To avoid future students going through the same thing he did.
As i already told you im not making up anything. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LITERALLY FIND WORD FOR WORD, EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID CONSERNING THE 2 ORDERS. If you can't understand that yet then im afraid you conserning this supposed debate are lost.
Originally posted by Q99Yes Bodo Baas gave his observation conserning the unidentified zeison sha ranks sparring against each other in a test of demonstration, saying that they leaned in for attack more then defense. He said that because their telekinetic shields were unlike the force barriers that many powerful force sensitives used. Since a force barrier requires you to halt your offense to manage the barrier while recieving a energy depletion, and 1 that doubles when attacks begin to mount up against it. Thus bodo baas said that the zeison sha leaned in for attack more then defense. (it dosen't in any way mean that the zeison sha's defenses were weak or weaker, thats a big misconception on your part)
Except you're working backwards. You're assuming they're the most powerful, then giving them powers based on that assumption.You aren't looking at what they're actually said to do (much less than you give them credit for) and then judging their power based on that.
Except the Jedi sometimes heavily train in the physical side too. Cade Skywalker doesn't particular care about the spiritual side, he'll just toss spaceships at you.
And plenty of Sith even more-so.
Or in other words, this is complete BS on your part. You're making up an unstated weakness of the Jedi because you want the ZS to be stronger. You can't just make up weaknesses to get the answer you want.
Nope, they may on average has better, but nothing says the *most* powerful telekinetic is a ZS.
Nope, nothing says that either.
Training in something and focusing on it does not mean others are bad, or that members of other orders won't also focus on it.
You're just assuming the fact that they specialize means they're the best, when the feats show Jedi and Sith do the same things, because individual Jedi and Sith and sub-groups of them do specialize as well.
Nothing says that either. It was said their ability surpasses that of 'many' Jedi. Meaning, not all Jedi, meaning other Jedi surpass them. 'Many Jedi' to 'Most Masters' is a leap you're making unsupported without evidence. Being stronger in an area than many knights doesn't make one stronger than most masters, let alone Sith Lords.
You aren't allowed to just make stuff up. It's dishonest.
What are you talking about? Wookiepedia lists them as users of the telekinetic shield technique.
Elite Jedi certainly could.
The average Zeison Sha surpasses most Jedi in telekinesis, while being weaker in areas like precognition and melee.
It is specifically noted that the ZS are more suited for attack than defense; i.e. their defense is weak.
Nope! Precisely nothing says this.
Stop making stuff up, lies are unconvincing.
And No the Zeison Sha were not listed on the force order affiliations that use force barriers on wookieepedia. Only the linked word shield in the Zeison Sha's history is what lead to the force barrier article in wookieepedia explaining what a force barrier is aside from a shield due to the similarities, and even then they still weren't listed alongside the orders that used the basic technique. Unless you edited the force barrier article just to futher prove your point. Just like you did the zeison sha article but the changed were removed.
Another thing is who said the Matukai order were weaker then the jedi to begin with? thats another opinion on your part with no evidence to back it up, aside from them being low in number.
(it dosen't in any way mean that the zeison sha's defenses were weak or weaker, thats a big misconception on your part)
Someone says they're more suited for attack than defense and you say that doesn't prove anything. Riiight.
It certainly doesn't support your idea that their defenses are stronger. Nothing does.
Another thing is who said the Matukai order were weaker then the jedi to begin with? thats another opinion on your part with no evidence to back it up, aside from them being low in number.
See, you're working backwards without burden of proof again. You assume everyone's stronger than the Jedi without requiring them to do anything.
The Jedi have done more and done bigger than any of these little organizations. They have the biggest feats. They've lifted star destroyers and destroyed droid armies with their bare fists.
Just like you did the zeison sha article but the changed were removed.
Really now? 🙂 Even if it'd been removed, it'd still be in the logs, so which of the three edits in the last year were mine, and what did it change? 🙂
The nice thing about Wookkiepedia edit logs is I can point out that they listed the Zesion Sha ability as being the Jedi ability as far back as 2007 (in the common ability section, shield links directly to force barrier).
Also let us not forget I have the book that the Wookkiepedia article is based on, so I know what it actually says and don't have to rely on second-hand info.
You're accusing me of cheating (wrongly) because you don't want to admit you just make stuff up.
Originally posted by Q99Bodo Baas stated that they leaned in for attack more then defense, you misunderstood what he ment by that, which is what i verified in my previous message. You really haven't read nor considered anything i have said since i started a thread.
Someone says they're more suited for attack than defense and you say that doesn't prove anything. Riiight.It certainly doesn't support your idea that their defenses are stronger. Nothing does.
See, you're working backwards without burden of proof again. You assume everyone's stronger than the Jedi without requiring them to do anything.
The Jedi have done more and done bigger than any of these little organizations. They have the biggest feats. They've lifted star destroyers and destroyed droid armies with their bare fists.
Really now? 🙂 Even if it'd been removed, it'd still be in the logs, so which of the three edits in the last year were mine, and what did it change? 🙂
The nice thing about Wookkiepedia edit logs is I can point out that they listed the Zesion Sha ability as being the Jedi ability as far back as 2007 (in the common ability section, shield links directly to force barrier).
Also let us not forget I have the book that the Wookkiepedia article is based on, so I know what it actually says and don't have to rely on second-hand info.
You're accusing me of cheating (wrongly) because you don't want to admit you just make stuff up.
You are using the absence of evidence is the evidence of absense mindset, which is wrong in many cases, i give evidence and places to view them but you choose not to look for yourself, but rather for me to waste my time revealing the evidence so you can contradict it with anything you can work off of, even if its biased. i reveal evidence not through links but rather self explandatory & Literature.
The Jedi have done more notable things and notable things only, don't put aside the other orders due to your favoritism conserning the Jedi.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Bodo Baas stated that they leaned in for attack more then defense, you misunderstood what he ment by that,which is what i verified in my previous message.You really haven't read nor considered anything i have said since i started a thread.
Listen, just because you make up an alternate fancy explanation to something, doesn't mean we have a reason to believe it true without proof.
Keep in mind, I have the actual, original articles, so I know your interpretations aren't accurate.
Again, lying is bad. Stop lying and presented made-up theories as evidence.
You even resorted to accusing me of evidence tampering when I posted evidence that you were wrong from Wookiepedia- and you're still wrong on those matters, with links and evidence supporting that you're wrong.
You are using the absence of evidence is the evidence of absense mindset, which is wrong in many cases, i give evidence and places to view them but you choose not to look for yourself, but rather for me to waste my time revealing the evidence so you can contradict it with anything you can work off of, even if its biased. i reveal evidence not through links but rather self explandatory & Literature
'Self explandatory' is another word for you make stuff up.
Using a lot of words to explain your points is not evidence, it's just you coming up with stuff and expecting me to believe it.
That's not proof.
Links and quotes are proof. 'Self explandatory' is you making up stuff and lying about it.
Why should I trust your word when you've proven yourself to lie and mislead and disregard evidence?
The Jedi have done more notable things and notable things only, don't put aside the other orders due to your favoritism conserning the Jedi.
More notable, bigger, more impressive in areas where you claim they're weak. That's not favoritism, that's simply looking at the evidence, and requiring a counter-claim to have evidence backing it up rather than simply you yelling favoritism and lying and assuming it's enough.
You flat-out are making up weaknesses about them that are never mentioned in canon and are contradicted by canon.
You say that they're overspecialized on the spiritual and neglect the physical despite the numerous examples to the contrary.
You assume the ZS are more balanced when all evidence points to them as being the more overly-specialized while the J&S are the unspecialized generalists who study all areas without neglecting the physical or mental.
Originally posted by Q99Yes i do give names and refferences as evidence conserning everything i have said and give direction on where to go to get verification, not Links nor articles, because for me its too time consuming to find the exact quote/statement in the Star Wars books when you can just go to wookieepedia and find all the Notes,Refferences, and sources to answer your questions, provided that they give an explianation conserning specific subjects to help give a better enlightenment to those that are searching for the Info.
Listen, just because you make up an alternate fancy explanation to something, doesn't mean we have a reason to believe it true without proof.Keep in mind, I have the actual, original articles, so I know your interpretations aren't accurate.
Again, lying is bad. Stop lying and presented made-up theories as evidence.
You even resorted to accusing me of evidence tampering when I posted evidence that you were wrong from Wookiepedia- and you're still wrong on those matters, with links and evidence supporting that you're wrong.
'Self explandatory' is another word for you make stuff up.
Using a lot of words to explain your points is not evidence, it's just you coming up with stuff and expecting me to believe it.
That's not proof.
Links and quotes are proof. 'Self explandatory' is you making up stuff and lying about it.
Why should I trust your word when you've proven yourself to lie and mislead and disregard evidence?
More notable, bigger, more impressive in areas where you claim they're weak. That's not favoritism, that's simply looking at the evidence, and requiring a counter-claim to have evidence backing it up rather than simply you yelling favoritism and lying and assuming it's enough.
You flat-out are making up weaknesses about them that are never mentioned in canon and are contradicted by canon.
You say that they're overspecialized on the spiritual and neglect the physical despite the numerous examples to the contrary.
You assume the ZS are more balanced when all evidence points to them as being the more overly-specialized while the J&S are the unspecialized generalists who study all areas without neglecting the physical or mental.
And here's where you strike out, when did i EVER lie/mislead anyone? No one on here believes anything of what i said and backed up conserning the Zeison Sha. You have contradicted yourself 5 times since i started this thread and you can find those contradictions in my previous post on this thread, and the Greatest Dark Lords Of The Sith thread revealing your hypocrisy.
I didn't make up any weaknesses about the Jedi, the jedi have grown weaker in the physical side ever since they stopped using traditional swords back at the time they were known as the Je,daii order. A lightsaber dosen't take any physical strength, since it cuts through most known alloys, armor, ship-plating, and blast doors with minimum effort, but rather it takes precision and timed execution instead of strength, which is why its looked at as the normally perfect melee weapon.
If a jedi says he will become one with the FORCE, that means he will become one with the spirit, since once a jedi becomes one with the force they can celestially manifest, for both peace & advisor purposes, or for combat. even someone who's not very familiar with the Star Wars world could see that.
And looking at your reply right here futher proves my point, you are doing nothing but stating biased based evidence, i don't have anymore of a reason to reply to you anymore, if i want to be amused i'll relpy back sometime in the near future 🙂.
Originally posted by Q99WOW i made a mistake and posted what i previously said on the Matukai thread, but YOU did edit the Zeison Sha article, and the Marka Ragnos article, because they stayed the same for 3 years untill i came on this site posting their names as most powerful in specific areas, while you being the 1st and most keen at contradicting them stands as fact number 1. We can keep going on how many more facts is needed on why you did it 🙂?
Listen, just because you make up an alternate fancy explanation to something, doesn't mean we have a reason to believe it true without proof.Keep in mind, I have the actual, original articles, so I know your interpretations aren't accurate.
Again, lying is bad. Stop lying and presented made-up theories as evidence.
You even resorted to accusing me of evidence tampering when I posted evidence that you were wrong from Wookiepedia- and you're still wrong on those matters, with links and evidence supporting that you're wrong.
'Self explandatory' is another word for you make stuff up.
Using a lot of words to explain your points is not evidence, it's just you coming up with stuff and expecting me to believe it.
That's not proof.
Links and quotes are proof. 'Self explandatory' is you making up stuff and lying about it.
Why should I trust your word when you've proven yourself to lie and mislead and disregard evidence?
More notable, bigger, more impressive in areas where you claim they're weak. That's not favoritism, that's simply looking at the evidence, and requiring a counter-claim to have evidence backing it up rather than simply you yelling favoritism and lying and assuming it's enough.
You flat-out are making up weaknesses about them that are never mentioned in canon and are contradicted by canon.
You say that they're overspecialized on the spiritual and neglect the physical despite the numerous examples to the contrary.
You assume the ZS are more balanced when all evidence points to them as being the more overly-specialized while the J&S are the unspecialized generalists who study all areas without neglecting the physical or mental.
Yes i do give names and refferences as evidence conserning everything i have said and give direction on where to go to get verification, not Links nor articles, because for me its too time consuming to find the exact quote/statement in the Star Wars books when you can just go to wookieepedia and find all the Notes,Refferences, and sources to answer your questions, provided that they give an explianation conserning specific subjects to help give a better enlightenment to those that are searching for the Info.
StarWarsLogic- One, that's not how burden of proof works. If you can't post a source or a quote, then you can't proof it, period. Two, I have the original information from the books, I did check the sources and quotes. I have read them. They disagree with you. Wookkiepedia disagrees with you, Jedi vs Sith the Complete Guild to the Force disagrees with you.
They don't include what you're saying. They don't say the ZS are stronger than the Jedi, they don't say the Jedi are weak in the physical aspects, they don't say the ZS took no casualties from the Imperials. None of the sources say any of that.
Or in other words, you're making stuff up, then waving in the direction of the sources and counting on no-one checking.
I checked, and you're wrong, it doesn't say that stuff, I have caught you lying.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
WOW i made a mistake and posted what i previously said on the Matukai thread, but YOU did edit the Zeison Sha article, and the Marka Ragnos article, because they stayed the same for 3 years untill i came on this site posting their names as most powerful in specific areas, while you being the 1st and most keen at contradicting them stands as fact number 1. We can keep going on how many more facts is needed on why you did it 🙂?
Uh huh, even though I posted a *five year old* part that shows what I said was true was around well before this discussion.
Look, Edit logs. Since we have started this thread, there have been 3 edits. HotCat, who moved one line of website info and changed no data, KillerRoboLeia3000 who updated the reference links but changed no writing, and Добродетель , who apparently added their Russian name or something. I don't know, I don't read that language.
Then back in 2010, Xicer9 changed 'New Sith War' to 'New Sith Wars' in their history section.
There has not been an actual change in the content since 2009, over 3 years ago, at which point the information that disagrees with you was already there.
So tell me, what precisely did I edit and what happened to this supposed phantom edit, or are you just going to admit that you made up the change and lied about it because you didn't want to admit you misremembered/got things wrong?
And the Marka Ragnos one? Was I even in that thread? I'm not even sure what you're accusing me of there. I think I've just become your boogie man for excusing why you're so very wrong.
Also? Lying and accusing me of cheating just because you don't like admitting you're wrong? Very low.
You are dishonest and a proven lier. You make up stuff and accuse others to try and cover your tracks.