Originally posted by Galan007
Vegeta and Nappa had a full-on conversation in space after Arlia was destroyed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnqtg0bte6w
So for the purposes of the anime, they were definitely capable of breathing in space.
Somehow conversing in space isn't the same thing as sustained living in space.
Keep in mind *humans* can survive minutes of vacuum, we just can't do much during the time.
Originally posted by BloodRain😂 Nice rant.
And all you did was pretty much fail to address the main points that defeat your argument and replace that with some personal 'youre wrong Im right' lines..Freeza /destroyed/ planet Vegeta. Past tense. Its not a boast or something said in rage.. its happened. Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta because its been destroyed, several people that were there back it up and we see that Freeza can blow up planets. Name one of these that Vegeta does. You're comparing something that has happened to something that has not happened, thats not the same logic.
So its canon that Vegeta wanted to kill himself? You can prove that the Vegeta that was scared of being killed and was totally fine with escaping to come back another time wanted to kill himself in that attack? And seriously.. /my/ maybes and what ifs? Who's the one saying that Vegeta can do something we havnt seen and calling it a legit canon fact? Don't ignore the 6 legit, canon points against I gave you.
I don't give a dame if he ends up a planet buster here or not, no shits will be given. And legit feats and canon things > statements with nothing to back it up. I mean if you can prove that Vegeta was suicidal here than hey, go for it. But it'd futile as we see how desperate he was to escape :/
Fact: Vegeta was insane, screaming and raging.. really the best person to take facts from?
Fact: Vegeta did /not/ want to die, proven.
Fact: Destroying the plane would kill him.
Seeing the problem?
Regardless, character statements >>> your opinion. Akira Toriyama having Vegeta state that he could have destroyed the earth >>> your opinion that he was speaking in hyperbole.
Period/end of story. 👆
Originally posted by Q99The clip shows Vegeta and Nappa talking a bit in space outside of their pods---then Vegeta charges up/blasts Arlia---then we see the planet explode, with Nappa talking in the background---then they carry on a several-sentence-long monologue, before enthusiastically chuckling at the carnage they'd caused---then the scene ends.
Somehow conversing in space isn't the same thing as sustained living in space.Keep in mind *humans* can survive minutes of vacuum, we just can't do much during the time.
Clearly the rigors of space(this includes not only an airless vacuum, but temperature extremes as well) weren't intended to have an affect on Saiyans in the anime.
Originally posted by Galan007
The clip shows Vegeta and Nappa talking a bit in space outside of their pods---then Vegeta charges up/blasts Arlia---then we see the planet explode, with Nappa talking in the background---then they carry on a several-sentence-long monologue, before enthusiastically chuckling at the carnage they'd caused---then the scene ends.Clearly the rigors of space(this includes not only an airless vacuum, but temperature extremes as well) weren't intended to have an affect on Saiyans in the anime.
Yes, but the problem is not toughness to survive the vacuum, it's oxygen.
Surviving a couple minutes in vacuum is no big thing.
It's all about intention. Where the anime is concerned, it's quite obvious to me that Vegeta/Nappa (and by proxy, the entire Saiyan race) were intended to be able to exist in space unaided. Heck, Bardock had a full-on war with Frieza's henchman in space, and didn't even skip a beat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNuaG1f2cQ
The intention is pretty clear, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂 Nice rant.Regardless, character statements >>> your opinion. Akira Toriyama having Vegeta state that he could have destroyed the earth >>> your opinion that he was speaking in hyperbole.
Period/end of story. 👆
Afraid Galan007 is correct.
Here is the canon reason why Galan007 is correct:
Roshi could destroy the moon with a power level less than 200. Piccolo could destroy the moon with a power level of less than 1000.
It should stand to reason that Vegeta with a power level of 18,000 could easily destroy the earth....just as easily as Piccolo and Roshi destroyed the moon.
My opinion>>>>>>>>>>Toriyama's opinion>>>>>>>>>>>dragonball character statements>>>>>>>>other KMC poster's opinions.
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Originally posted by dadudemonYou know what? I like you. 😉
Afraid Galan007 is correct.Here is the canon reason why Galan007 is correct:
Roshi could destroy the moon with a power level less than 200. Piccolo could destroy the moon with a power level of less than 1000.
It should stand to reason that Vegeta with a power level of 18,000 could easily destroy the earth....just as easily as Piccolo and Roshi destroyed the moon.
My opinion>>>>>>>>>>Toriyama's opinion>>>>>>>>>>>dragonball character statements>>>>>>>>other KMC poster's opinions.
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Like you mentioned, Roshi's PL was around 180, and he was capable of destroying the moon. In comparison to the moon, the earth is roughly 4x larger in diameter, 49x larger in volume, and 81x larger in mass(that's what Google said, at least.)
That said, Saiyan Saga Vegeta had a PL of 18,000, making him 9,900%(over 9,000!!!) more powerful than Roshi! So yeah, character statements + a bit of logical deduction, should cement the notion that Saiyan Saga Vegeta was definitely a planet buster. There are no facts (opinion=/=fact) that contradict his claim.
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Originally posted by NemeBroArrogant, as always.
I was gonna disregard it anyway.
a.) I'd like to know where you came up with the notion that it requires 1,000x more energy to destroy earth, than it does the moon. I suspect that you are, again, trying to apply real world laws of physics to a fictional universe where many of those laws do not apply, whilst simultaneously ignoring the narrative of the story in favor of your own opinion.
b.) By your line of logic it would require a PL of 180,000 to even have a shot at destroying the earth. Given Vegeta's statement, and the fact that no contradictory evidence was given to us by Akira, that is purely unacceptable.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂 Nice rant.Regardless, character statements >>> your opinion. Akira Toriyama having Vegeta state that he could have destroyed the earth >>> your opinion that he was speaking in hyperbole.
Period/end of story. 👆
Yeah its called a reply, and seeing as youre only reply is "Nah Im right lol thumbs".. taking it that you cant actually prove what I asked for or counter anything I said.. which sucks cause I need something to debate :c
Oh yeah..
Statement1- Freeza/Saiyans admit that they cant survive in space.
Statement2- Vegeta admits that he wants to live and is more than willing to flee from a defeat =/= kamikaze instead of losing.
So.. Akira's backing me up? :T
Originally posted by BloodRainI don't need to prove a negative, friend.
Yeah its called a reply, and seeing as youre only reply is "Nah Im right lol thumbs".. taking it that you cant actually prove what I asked for or counter anything I said.. which sucks cause I need something to debate :cOh yeah..
Statement1- Freeza/Saiyans admit that they cant survive in space.
Statement2- Vegeta admits that he wants to live and is more than willing to flee from a defeat =/= kamikaze instead of losing.So.. Akira's backing me up? :T
I have character statements from the manga itself(as well as the anime) supporting me. You have unsubstantiated personal opinion 'supporting' you. There's nothing to debate here. 👆
Originally posted by BloodRain
Fact: Vegeta was insane, screaming and raging.. really the best person to take facts from?
Fact: Vegeta did /not/ want to die, proven.
Fact: Destroying the plane would kill him.
Seeing the problem?
Could be explained by him wanting to kill Goku so badly that he didn't care the costs. And he was afraid of dying before he killed Goku.
Or he was pushed to the edge in battle but after his attack was bested he calmed down and saw how foolish it was to place himself in danger like that a thought up a new plan.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't need to prove a negative, friend.I have character statements from the manga itself(as well as the anime) supporting me. You have unsubstantiated personal opinion 'supporting' you. There's nothing to debate here. 👆
I just gave you in-canon proof that Vegeta wasn't suicidal on the edge of defeat = didnt want to die = wasnt going to blow up the planet. Dont with the same evidence you use. So, yeah. Characters are on my side.
Originally posted by juggerman
Could be explained by him wanting to kill Goku so badly that he didn't care the costs. And he was afraid of dying before he killed Goku.Or he was pushed to the edge in battle but after his attack was bested he calmed down and saw how foolish it was to place himself in danger like that a thought up a new plan.
What I dont get is how people can look at how insane Vegeta is here all the way til his scream after the blast.. people can see the man snap and still take what he says in this state as 100% fact and not just the words of a mad man.
Christ, just because Vegeta was pissed, doesn't mean he was speaking in hyperbole (srsly). In fact, he was SO pissed at that point that he was clearly ready to do ANYTHING he needed to do to defeat Goku(including destroying the earth, and possibly himself in the process.)
Stop acting as though your personal opinion supersedes character statements. It's ridiculous. Akira intended for Vegeta to have sufficient power to destroy the earth, hence the very specific verbiage he scripted into that scene. End of story.
