Originally posted by carver9
The Spirit bomb taxed him, that's why he couldn't destroy Namek. Frieza was far away from being complete during that instance.
Originally posted by Galan007 Vegeta-go-boom
Yet another is.. one? And I like how you can get evidence for another claim but still refuse to back up the first..
Tell me, what attack did Freeza use back then? Was it a single-boom-gone thing or did he make the planet explode like we know he's capable of? If the latter, as we know he does this stuff as shown in the manga, what does that have to do with Vegeta's normal blast? If the former, prove it as thats what youd need.
Originally posted by Galan007 Freeza-go-boom
70% and damaged Freeza attempts to blow up the planet, fails by his own admittance but still manages to get a 5 min core-explosion delay. That alone shows what power is needed for an instant planet bust, not like his base forms attack that can only be assumed to be the core explosion attack.. unless you believe that base can do what 70% form is proven to be unable to do?
You're still saying 70%. He wasn't at that percentage since it took "all" of his power to escape the bomb. Then, he admitted he wasn't trying to destroy planet Namek during his initial attack. Piccolo even admitted Frieza could destroy Namek instantly. Lol...what's so hard to believe on base form Frieza being able to destroy a planet? If Roshi can turn a moon to dust (which puts his blast at moon+ strength since there wasn't a sign of rubble etc...), I feel safe at saying Frieza could annihilate planets with ease...even at his weakest.
I'm not saying he was 'using' 70% of his full power, I'm just saying that he was in his 70% state.
He said he was going to destroy the planet then admits that it "wasn't strong enough" to do it, "..but.." it still managed to reach the core.
Roshi being an outliner feat (he had to use Max power just to blow up a small mountain, and stronger characters do much less), and yes from looking at all of Freeza's feats he is obviously a planet buster.. just not the instant annihilation variety until his stronger form. If you want to tell me that he does the same core thing in his other forms then fine, but the only way he could easily flick away planets would be if his base form could muster up an attack above what a state where he was still above anyone where besides SS!Goku.. because you cant tell me that Freeza became weaker than his base self. PL 18,000 Vegeta can apparently planet bust but a PL250,000-74,000,000 Freeza admits that he couldn't one-shot Namek in a weakened, but far above anyone else state?
Originally posted by BloodRainSee my former post. Your incessant dodges and red herrings were addressed there. Thoroughly.
I know that's why I said his 70% self (and was meant to add in worn out and S.bomb damaged) couldn't perfectly destroy Namek.Red herrings? You admitted to ignoring later things for earlier showings, even though later > earlier.
No doubt besides him shitting himself in the face of his own death and being more than willing to flee? Two things you said cemented him as wanting to die?Yet another is.. one? And I like how you can get evidence for another claim but still refuse to back up the first..
Tell me, what attack did Freeza use back then? Was it a single-boom-gone thing or did he make the planet explode like we know he's capable of? If the latter, as we know he does this stuff as shown in the manga, what does that have to do with Vegeta's normal blast? If the former, prove it as thats what youd need.
Very nice, you read through the chapter but obviously avoided posting Freeza saying he lacked the power admitting that his attack wasn't strong enough to do what he wanted.
70% and damaged Freeza attempts to blow up the planet, fails by his own admittance but still manages to get a 5 min core-explosion delay. That alone shows what power is needed for an instant planet bust, not like his base forms attack that can only be assumed to be the core explosion attack.. unless you believe that base can do what 70% form is proven to be unable to do?
Also, lol @ the notion that a 70% powered final form Frieza (PL >60,000,000) would have a difficult time destroying a planet, when base form Frieza did so with a very minimal effort, or "easily" as he put it... Heh, what a gas. 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm still waiting on you to show the evidence that states that what Roshi did to the moon is sufficient or near sufficient to bust Earth.
Moon was vaporized. Energy required to completely vaporize the moon is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the energy required to bust the earth.
My balls: suck them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It requires a thousand times more energy to destroy the Earth, lol.
Wrong. 81 times the energy in the form of vaporization: mass is the variable required to overcome.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It is not opinion that the first character we see capable of any form of planetbusting is final form Freeza. 👆And Vegeta made his attack smaller, not weaker, in the Cell saga.
Wrong. 🙂
That would be Roshi. The moon is a planet sized satellite of earth. 😄 Moon counts.
Again, my balls, please.
Holy shit, I broke the thread with too much victory posting. I need to take a nap...just too much power in these hand of mine.
So you only support the application of physical laws when they support your position Galan?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Moon was vaporized. Energy required to completely vaporize the moon is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the energy required to bust the earth.
Provide your source.
Wrong. 81 times the energy in the form of vaporization: mass is the variable required to overcome.
Provide your source.
Wrong. 🙂That would be Roshi. The moon is a planet sized satellite of earth. 😄 Moon counts.
Only semantically. In forum use, "planetbuster" is usually defined as capable of busting an Earth-sized or larger planet for convenience (To differentiate it from "moonbusting"😉. And yes, this practice originates from the ODB, but it is so widespread surely you'd forgive an old dog for using it?
Now, you may not have known that is the way it is often used and the way I used it, and I won't fault you for that.
Like I've stated before...if Piccolo at a power level of 350 can destroy a moon with a casual blast and Roshi with a power level of 130 can destroy a moon...hell, not destroy but turn it to dust...I wouldn't even be surprised if Raditz could lay waste to a planet. This is non sense to argue Frieza being capable of destroying a planet instantly when he is significantly more powerful than both Piccolo and Roshi. Whomever believes anything different is either lowballing DBZ characters or, hell, that's all I can think of, you are lowballing them. Frieza already laid waste to Planet Vegeta, that's all the proof he needs and this was at his weakest state...get over it and move on.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So you only support the application of physical laws when they support your position Galan?[QUOTE=14154652]Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]Provide your source.
My source is dadudemon: that is all the source you should ever need (I am serious).
However, if you need to know how in the world I know it takes far more energy to vaporize a large mass vs. just blowing it apart into large bits (like Frieza did to Namek)...you should use google instead of asking questions like that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Provide your source.
My source is dadudemon: that is all the source you should ever need (I am serious).
However, if you need to know how in the world I know it takes far more energy to vaporize a large mass vs. just blowing it apart into large bits (like Frieza did to Namek)...you should use google instead of asking questions like that.
The better question is this: why don't you prove your point, first?
Can you prove me wrong with SCIENCE? 🙂
Here, take this: prove that the energy required to vaporize the entire planet is not greater than the energy required to blast it into large bits...if you disagree with me, of course. If you don't, what are you making the fuss about?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Only semantically. In forum use, "planetbuster" is usually defined as capable of busting an Earth-sized or larger planet for convenience (To differentiate it from "moonbusting"😉. And yes, this practice originates from the ODB, but it is so widespread surely you'd forgive an old dog for using it?
Uhhh...let us not go with what a bunch of uneducated, overestimating (or under), retards use and let us stick with science. Our moon, if orbiting a star in a "regular" orbit, is large enough and massive enough to be considered a planet and not a lost satellite or large asteroid. To drive this example home, Titan is larger than Mercury.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Now, you may not have known that is the way it is often used and the way I used it, and I won't fault you for that.
Oh no, I am most certainly aware of the ignorance perpetuated on forums. You were probably not aware that the moon is incorrectly treated as "non-planet sized" on forums.
Originally posted by BloodRainThat's a mistranslation in the original japanese frieza says this:
I know that's why I said his 70% self (and was meant to add in worn out and S.bomb damaged) couldn't perfectly destroy Namek.Red herrings? You admitted to ignoring later things for earlier showings, even though later > earlier.
No doubt besides him shitting himself in the face of his own death and being more than willing to flee? Two things you said cemented him as wanting to die?Yet another is.. one? And I like how you can get evidence for another claim but still refuse to back up the first..
Tell me, what attack did Freeza use back then? Was it a single-boom-gone thing or did he make the planet explode like we know he's capable of? If the latter, as we know he does this stuff as shown in the manga, what does that have to do with Vegeta's normal blast? If the former, prove it as thats what youd need.
Very nice, you read through the chapter but obviously avoided posting admitting that his attack wasn't strong enough to do what he wanted.
70% and damaged Freeza attempts to blow up the planet, fails by his own admittance but still manages to get a 5 min core-explosion delay. That alone shows what power is needed for an instant planet bust, not like his base forms attack that can only be assumed to be the core explosion attack.. unless you believe that base can do what 70% form is proven to be unable to do?
Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P9.2 Context: after it turns out Planet Namek didn’t blow up Freeza: “Chih…! Did I suppress my power too much…?!”
That's Herms translation.
Originally posted by NemeBroAre you trying to be stupid frieza in his first form was repeatedly shown destroying planet vegeta, and where supposed to side with your opinions over cold hard facts. And are you forgetting what Vegeta did along the way to earth, he destroyed a planet he and Nappa visited with just his two fingers, what else are we supposed to back up our statements on other than what is shown and stated in the series where arguing about. You say your superior not arrogant but you are the only one calling yourself superior which is the definition of arrogance.
It is not opinion that the first character we see capable of any form of planetbusting is final form Freeza. 👆And Vegeta made his attack smaller, not weaker, in the Cell saga.
