Peter Parker vs Steve Rogers

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your reaching digi. Parker isnt a soldier. In a role reversal scenario Cap would benefit more imo. And who's to say he wouldnt, hed become a American symbol without the shield. Parker would be thrust into WW2 as a leader which is not his strong point...he doesn't inspire in the same way. Its not the sss that makes Steve captain America. Its Steve. Parker isn't on the level even with prep

Digi is making a good point. Ofcourse Steve would be more effective if we're talking physical abilities.. but SM is one og the smartest people in the world. Relying on his intellect he could save more people than Cap relying on hos newly found powers.

I have no problem with Peter inventing things because he's been doing that for years, you know what Steve has been doing for years....leading and training teams...why is Peter the only one that gets to keep doing something he's done for years?

Digi and Sam are correct. The rest of you can go pound salt!

Originally posted by Silent Master
I have no problem with Peter inventing things because he's been doing that for years, you know what Steve has been doing for years....leading and training teams...why is Peter the only one that gets to keep doing something he's done for years?

Who said he can't? Like Sam said, it works both ways. Pete has a lot beyond just his powers, and also beyond his tech.

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't want a concession I want your tears 😛

I don't have tear glands, just a second "awesome gland" where it used to be. True story.

Pound some salt...I guess. 😕

Just the general tone of some of the posts, they seem to imply that Steve is going to be hopelessly outgunned and have zero access to any training, tech or allies to help him out, whereas Peter will somehow retain all of his and will be inventing things like powered armor from day one.

Originally posted by golem370
Alright in this thread Peter and Steve take different paths instead of Peter getting the powers of the Spider Steve does, and instead of Steve getting the Super Solider Serum Peter gets it. Who would have used the different powers the best?

The OP is talking about using their powers and skills best. The reason that Peter is able to create technology and that Digi is talking about that fact is because Peter is relying on himself. He can actually do these things without anyone else's help. And the OP is talking about them as individuals - actively using their skills/powers in battle. So, looking through the lens of them as individuals, Parker is the more effective hero.

Captain America is a great leader. Because of this, Steve is great in team based scenarios, but that means he has to rely more on others to follow his orders - which again, is not the point of this thread. You want to make a thread about who's better when thrown in a team setting, that is another topic all together. The OP is not asking what he can do to inspire other additional members to fight under him. It is asking what he can do or would do with the Spider-man powers given to him. CA would get an upgrade and would do better utilizing the new powers - but he would be less than current Spider-man because he'd be lacking webs and the rest of his tech. Which is a huge part of Spider-man's combat effectiveness. Assuming that they completely change lives, Steve would have to cobble things from scratch to make anything - which is what Peter has been so great at doing and Steve has never shown an aptitude for.

Parker, on his part, would compensate with technology and if he had the army's resources to play around with would have high-end tech at his disposal instead of his usual scrapped together equipment.

Actually, the point of the thread is who uses their powers the best...that means looking at only what they can do with their powers.

Originally posted by golem370
Alright in this thread Peter and Steve take different paths instead of Peter getting the powers of the Spider Steve does, and instead of Steve getting the Super Solider Serum Peter gets it. Who would have used the different powers the best?

Peter's ability to invent isn't power-related, so if that counts then Steve's ability to lead counts.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just the general tone of some of the posts, they seem to imply that Steve is going to be hopelessly outgunned and have zero access to any training, tech or allies to help him out, whereas Peter will somehow retain all of his and will be inventing things like powered armor from day one.

Well, since I'm about 50% of the Spidey backing here....no. He'll have basic stuff early on like webbing, which alone is enough to give him a big edge. A lot of the other stuff will come later, of course, but as I mentioned, he's been solving tech problems to help himself since high school. His recent tech feats are more condensed than in the past, but not out of character. And anyway, Peter's intelligence is innate. Cap's training is not. That's the difference. I was originally giving cap his training though, but OP said otherwise.

Just admit Peter's a better hero, and we can all go home. I even promise I'll share my Juicy Juice with you on the bus ride home. 😊

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, the point of the thread is who uses their powers the best...that means looking at only what they can do with their powers.

Peter's ability to invent isn't power-related, so if that counts then Steve's ability to lead counts.

But the problem is that we are looking at them as individuals. I don't understand how that concept is not sinking in - Peter invents stuff to augment his powers as an individual. Steve's ability to inspire is externalizing the argument to bring in other people who are not Peter or Steve.

You can utilize the fact that Steve is tactical, that he is a better strategist, that he would discipline his powers faster than Peter would. You can't utilize other beings in an argument that only centers around the two of them. 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
But the problem is that we are looking at them as individuals. I don't understand how that concept is not sinking in - Peter invents stuff to augment his powers as an individual. Steve's ability to inspire is externalizing the argument to bring in other people who are not Peter or Steve.

You can utilize the fact that Steve is tactical, that he is a better strategist, that he would discipline his powers faster than Peter would. You can't utilize other beings in an argument that only centers around the two of them. 😬

I agree that Peter uses inventions better, but this is about how they use their powers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I agree that Peter uses inventions better, but this is about how they use their powers.

Would Iron Man's suit be a power? Or, more to the point, would Spider-Man's webbing? Both come from the "power" to invent.

Having less power and more resources available to him - assuming he goes into the Army and gets the SSS that way - Peter's intellect (which can be considered a power, it certainly is for Tony or Reed) would shine through which allows him to be the more effective hero.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Would Iron Man's suit be a power? Or, more to the point, would Spider-Man's webbing? Both come from the "power" to invent.

Having less power and more resources available to him - assuming he goes into the Army and gets the SSS that way - Peter's intellect (which can be considered a power, it certainly is for Tony or Reed) would shine through which allows him to be the more effective hero.

The powers in question are SSS vs Spider powers.

Anyone else think the scenario is more like if pete wasent bitten by a spider but instead injected with the SSS and Instead of them injectiong the SSS into rogers he just got a bite or shot that made him have spider man powers.

So basically same life just powers were switched.

I feel like most people are arguing if they changed lives and history. <-- is that what OP wants?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just the general tone of some of the posts, they seem to imply that Steve is going to be hopelessly outgunned and have zero access to any training, tech or allies to help him out, whereas Peter will somehow retain all of his and will be inventing things like powered armor from day one.

Agreed.
Seems like they are trying to put Steve in a bubble and with his new powers and his ability to punch faster and kick harder is all he can do. Leadership........gone...........strategies/tactics.........never heard of........inspirational...........doesn't work..............teams..........soldiers........nope they don't get to work with him. He is on his own. Shield organization........Avengers......Nope on his own. Tech support.......never heard of. A man who commands the Gods......Who? You mean Bucky.....LOL

They might as well have said that there giving Steve the brain of a trained chimp that can punch and run fast......

God forbid he has to have a web shooter despite all the above. The problem is with Steves own intellect he has shown that he can acquire resources by means of his "own" ability and command teams at a whim. Yet Steves intellect in doing this doesn't count.

And yet Spiderman because his intellect is in science he is allowed to make his tech and some are even proposing using the funds from the military to make his tech. So Spiderman is allowed outside sources and Steve isn't by his own intellect seems like a major double standard.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Anyone else think the scenario is more like if pete wasent bitten by a spider but instead injected with the SSS and Instead of them injectiong the SSS into rogers he just got a bite or shot that made him have spider man powers.

So basically same life just powers were switched.

I feel like most people are arguing if they changed lives and history. <-- is that what OP wants?

Not a clue at this point, people seem to be arguing several different scenarios at this point.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Would Iron Man's suit be a power? Or, more to the point, would Spider-Man's webbing? Both come from the "power" to invent.

Iron Man suit not really a true power by most definitions but advanced tech or weapon.

Depends I guess semantics can play a factor without a real concrete definition. As even Steve once called himself," I am military technology but that's not all I am." The spider bite gave Peter his Spider powers. The SSS gave Steve his abilities.

Like the Science behind the Power Broker treatment that actually gives you the superhuman strength like 10 ton strength. Or the SSS amplified 1000 times that gave Sentry his powers are more consistent with science giving you powers.

Wasn't it 100,000 times?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Leadership......

Only useful if he has people to lead.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
strategies/tactics

He has them and is better than Peter at utilizing them.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
inspirational, teams, soldiers, Shield organization, Avengers.

Externalizing the argument to include people that are not Peter and Steve.

Even if Peter doesn't get army resources (assumption made that they switched lives) we already know that Peter can create high-end technology from scraps. He'd still get webbing (or, as Digi puts them, Freedom Ropes) and tracers.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
The problem is with Steves own intellect he has shown that he can acquire resources by means of his "own" ability

Acquire? Having other people who are smarter than him give him the tools to actually be effective?

This seals the deal for me - Steve is the suckiest hero of all time since he can't get anything done for himself. He has to rely on other people to be effective at anything. (mostly sarcastic).

You guys could focus on that fact that he's tactically smarter, would utilize more effective strategies to fight opponents, that his discipline would allow him to utilize the Spider-Man powerset in a different way - but all you seem to be able to focus on is that Steve can't do anything by himself. At all.

Spiderman wins.

Get over it, nerds.

I thought this was about who uses their powers best, not who is the better inventor.